How does Golden Frieza fare off against fighters in GT

[Cetra]

I have Golden Freeza lower than Beerus but SSJ4 Goku and Oozaru Baby equal to Beerus. I would say he could not defeat a single villain of GT. Not even Vegeta Baby in his basic form. Well, maybe that form.

[Xeztin]

I think Golden Freeza would wreck everyone up until SSJ4 Gogeta and Omega Shenron but it'd be a stamina and time limit battle against Gogeta. I think he could kill Omega if he went all out right from the start, but his stamina issues in that form would get him killed.

[Saiyan007]

Golden Freeza was slightly stronger than a SSGSS Goku who was stronger than BOG arc Goku who has multiple universal feats


Freeza God stomps everyone in GT with ease.GT just doesn't compare to the god tiers in Super.

Think Saitama vs all his villians so far.

[Steven Bloodriver]

I don't think even an angered and serious Golden Frieza could ever beat Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, as according to Dragon Ball: Xenoverse, the fused Super Saiyan 4 was confident he was strong enough to beat Beerus while Golden Frieza was too humbled to ever do such a thing, and Beerus was more impressed with SSJ4 Gogeta's power than with Golden Frieza.

[Saiyan007]

I don't think even an angered and serious Golden Frieza could ever beat Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, as according to Dragon Ball: Xenoverse, the fused Super Saiyan 4 was confident he was strong enough to beat Beerus while Golden Frieza was too humbled to ever do such a thing, and Beerus was more impressed with SSJ4 Gogeta's power than with Golden Frieza.

But why are you using video games as evidence?

I could use videl and beat Gogeta doesn't mean that's reliable evidence at all

[Perfectionist-Cell]

End Of Gt Eternal Goku stomps he just wishes him away or turns hypothetical ssj5.

[Saiyan007]

End Of Gt Eternal Goku stomps he just wishes him away or turns hypothetical ssj5.

You mean the feat less character the one everyone speculates about......

[TheMikado]

I think it depends on a number of factors.
1) are we talking anime or manga?

In the anime the bases are all relatively similar to GT for Goku and Vegeta. Above SSJ3 level. Then becomes the issue of multipliers

In the anime of Super SSG no longer exists so there's only SSB. Most people peg SSB as not being much stronger than SSJ3 after they absorbed the God ki in their base forms.
I would say SSB is a x500 over base. This combines the x10 multiplier from the manga on SSB and the x50 SSJ multiplier to give the x 500 number.

Remember bases are approximately in the similar tier.

Now the multiplier for SSJ4 I believe is actually actually x500 as well. This combines the oozaru x10 multiplier and the x50 SSJ multiplier to give you your basic SSJ4 x500 multiplier.

Thus I would say they are equal in the anime. SSB vs SSJ4.
The manga has totally different power level scaling so I wouldn't use that as a point of comparison.

Now based on that I believe full power SSJ4 is like a x2 multiplier like SSJ2 which gives us a nice round x1000. I would personally put Omega Sheron at x2000 base Goku, so stronger than full power SSJ4. If we used fusion we would need a formula to compute it. They best I've seen is (Potential A + Potential B) x 2. In the case of SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta, assuming full power is the potential at x1000 then we would see Gogeta as x4000 base Goku/Vegeta who are already SSJ3 level in base.
(In before the Gohan vs Vegeta comparisons. Gohan was Babi possessed which, if I remember correctly was said to be Majin Buu level by himself without possession)

Anyway that scaling makes Omega Sheron x2 as powerful as Goku but half as powerful as Gogeta.

Now back to Super, we still haven't seen a theorical SSB2 or SSB3. All things being equal the SSB and SSJ4 transformations should remain equal if they progress based on the SSJ multipliers. As I and others have speculated, now that Goku has absorbed the God power in base the God form seems to grant a x10 boost combined with SSJ making it equivalent to the Oozaru boost in SSJ4. With the bases appearing to be similar and SSJ multipliers seemingly static they could in theory be similar levels of power.

All that being said, normal SSJ4 Goku should do similarly to SSB Goku against Golden Frieza. Full power SSJ4 likely wins easily.

[Saiyan007]

I think it depends on a number of factors.
1) are we talking anime or manga?

In the anime the bases are all relatively similar to GT for Goku and Vegeta. Above SSJ3 level. Then becomes the issue of multipliers

In the anime of Super SSG no longer exists so there's only SSB. Most people peg SSB as not being much stronger than SSJ3 after they absorbed the God ki in their base forms.
I would say SSB is a x500 over base. This combines the x10 multiplier from the manga on SSB and the x50 SSJ multiplier to give the x 500 number.

Remember bases are approximately in the similar tier.

Now the multiplier for SSJ4 I believe is actually actually x500 as well. This combines the oozaru x10 multiplier and the x50 SSJ multiplier to give you your basic SSJ4 x500 multiplier.

Thus I would say they are equal in the anime. SSB vs SSJ4.
The manga has totally different power level scaling so I wouldn't use that as a point of comparison.

Now based on that I believe full power SSJ4 is like a x2 multiplier like SSJ2 which gives us a nice round x1000. I would personally put Omega Sheron at x2000 base Goku, so stronger than full power SSJ4. If we used fusion we would need a formula to compute it. They best I've seen is (Potential A + Potential B) x 2. In the case of SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta, assuming full power is the potential at x1000 then we would see Gogeta as x4000 base Goku/Vegeta who are already SSJ3 level in base.
(In before the Gohan vs Vegeta comparisons. Gohan was Babi possessed which, if I remember correctly was said to be Majin Buu level by himself without possession)

Anyway that scaling makes Omega Sheron x2 as powerful as Goku but half as powerful as Gogeta.

Now back to Super, we still haven't seen a theorical SSB2 or SSB3. All things being equal the SSB and SSJ4 transformations should remain equal if they progress based on the SSJ multipliers. As I and others have speculated, now that Goku has absorbed the God power in base the God form seems to grant a x10 boost combined with SSJ making it equivalent to the Oozaru boost in SSJ4. With the bases appearing to be similar and SSJ multipliers seemingly static they could in theory be similar levels of power.

All that being said, normal SSJ4 Goku should do similarly to SSB Goku against Golden Frieza. Full power SSJ4 likely wins easily.

Most of this is just special and nothing concrete.

Also when has ssj4 Goku ever had universal feats or get scaling towards someone who had said feats?

Hence why all those multipliers are meaningless because the feats and statements in Super just visually prove they're stronger they're far more concrete than using unofficial multiplers and just guessing how strong you think they are.

[TheMikado]

I think giving reasons for why you drew your conclusions are far more concrete than just saying "I feel this" etc.

If your reasoning is feats than so be it. I'm taking things at face value when I state the bases should theorically be in a similar tier based on what was stated/shown by the characters themselves.

Obviously you have an opinion so let's here it. What's your multiplier for SSB?

[Khin]

The OP was clearly referring to the movie version of Golden Freeza, given that neither the anime nor the manga version of Dragon Ball Super was yet to be released when this thread was created, so i don't know why people here are talking about Super's Freeza. I don't understand why this thread (which was inactive for more than a year) was revived, not only that bumping an old topic is not allowed, but you can also just create a new topic or you can just ask the question in the Versus Thread.

Movie Golden Freeza ? Depends on one's made-up power levels, all we know about GT characters compared to Z characters are guys like Super #17, Baby, etc are stronger than Super Vegetto, but even then Beerus and Super Saiyan God Goku was implied to be leagues above Vegetto as well, so it's up to one's opinion on how well can Freeza fare against GT fighters. If you're taking things like video games and some other things into account, then Freeza might be inferior to guys like Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta.

My two cents about Super's Freeza. In both anime and manga version, it was shown that the fight between Super Saiyan God Goku and Beerus was wrecking the entire Universe, which is something GT characters haven't able to do even remotely close. Golden Freeza is stronger than both of them, so it's obvious that he can do the same and can kill any GT characters with ease if he want.

[Captain Strawberry]

I think only Gogeta stands a chance. I don't know if Gogeta would reck Frieza though.

[ekrolo2]

Super Freeza can beat all of them.

Movie Freeza is pretty much up in the air but I'd say he can take out everyone up to Omega Shenron, I still say SS4 Gogeta is much stronger than the movie versions.

Manga (Super) Freeza, when taking into account how weak Goku & Vegeta's base forms are, I'd say Super Saiyan 4 Goku from the Baby arc wins along with everyone above him. The Super Manga people are the weakest ones of the new material.

[TheMikado]

Super Freeza can beat all of them.

Movie Freeza is pretty much up in the air but I'd say he can take out everyone up to Omega Shenron, I still say SS4 Gogeta is much stronger than the movie versions.

Manga (Super) Freeza, when taking into account how weak Goku & Vegeta's base forms are, I'd say Super Saiyan 4 Goku from the Baby arc wins along with everyone above him. The Super Manga people are the weakest ones of the new material.

This is really good, I would put SSJ4 Goku vs SSB Goku as follows for each version.

Super: SSB stronger
movie: equal
Manga: SSJ4 stronger

[Perfectionist-Cell]

End Of Gt Eternal Goku stomps he just wishes him away or turns hypothetical ssj5.

You mean the feat less character the one everyone speculates about......

Golden Frieza is just as feat less you sure you wanna go down that road.

[ekrolo2]

Super Freeza can beat all of them.

Movie Freeza is pretty much up in the air but I'd say he can take out everyone up to Omega Shenron, I still say SS4 Gogeta is much stronger than the movie versions.

Manga (Super) Freeza, when taking into account how weak Goku & Vegeta's base forms are, I'd say Super Saiyan 4 Goku from the Baby arc wins along with everyone above him. The Super Manga people are the weakest ones of the new material.

This is really good, I would put SSJ4 Goku vs SSB Goku as follows for each version.

Super: SSB stronger
movie: equal
Manga: SSJ4 stronger

I actually think Blue is always a bigger boost than 4, the difference comes with Goku's base in the new stuff vs his base in GT. In GT, we know his Base is bigger than Majin Boo's, depending on which Majin Boo he means, that can go a long way in changing things up.

If he means Good/Fat/Kid Boo, then the GT cast can comfortably smash the manga cast and hold off the movie guys. If he means Boohan (assuming GT isn't going with Kid Boo > Boohan like the anime), then even the Super cast will have its work cut out for them against guys like Omega and Gogeta.

[Perfectionist-Cell]

And why is everyone bringing feats into this? GT has no REAL feats to talk about.

[TheMikado]

Super Freeza can beat all of them.

Movie Freeza is pretty much up in the air but I'd say he can take out everyone up to Omega Shenron, I still say SS4 Gogeta is much stronger than the movie versions.

Manga (Super) Freeza, when taking into account how weak Goku & Vegeta's base forms are, I'd say Super Saiyan 4 Goku from the Baby arc wins along with everyone above him. The Super Manga people are the weakest ones of the new material.

This is really good, I would put SSJ4 Goku vs SSB Goku as follows for each version.

Super: SSB stronger
movie: equal
Manga: SSJ4 stronger

I actually think Blue is always a bigger boost than 4, the difference comes with Goku's base in the new stuff vs his base in GT. In GT, we know his Base is bigger than Majin Boo's, depending on which Majin Boo he means, that can go a long way in changing things up.

If he means Good/Fat/Kid Boo, then the GT cast can comfortably smash the manga cast and hold off the movie guys. If he means Boohan (assuming GT isn't going with Kid Boo > Boohan like the anime), then even the Super cast will have its work cut out for them against guys like Omega and Gogeta.

What do you think the SSG and SSB multiplier is for each version?

[TheMikado]

And why is everyone bringing feats into this? GT has no REAL feats to talk about.

Yeah that's primarily why I don't use them as there's not feat constant for comparison. There was only one instance of a battle possibly destroying things at universe level in Super yet we are also to believe Trunks has far surpassed that level on his own.

[ekrolo2]

What do you think the SSG and SSB multiplier is for each version?

For Super & The movies: SSG is x10 000 base and SSBlue x20 000 base.

The manga of Super: SSG is x100 000 base and SSBlue x200 000 base

Super Saiyan 4 is x5000 base + whatever potential unlock you get upon achieving it.