Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by nite_jay » Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:59 am

His lip in the original anime version still bothers me. The shading makes his it look really pouty. Manga is still #1 imo.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by ParkerAL » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:31 am

People have been making a fuss about the Pokemon anime's new look? Really? Like, all we've seen of it so far is a miniature trailer. At least wait until the first episode airs before you go into an uproar. That would at least give an adequate sample size for judging how effective the art style is. Jeez.

At least Pokemon is trying to experiment with its visuals, which is a lot more than can be said of modern Dragon Ball and it's stale character designs.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by kinisking » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:50 pm

I don't know, if you have to edit it to make it look better, then it's not better imo. The original anime version simply doesn't convey the emotion necessary. Manga still wins though.
At least Pokemon is trying to experiment with its visuals, which is a lot more than can be said of modern Dragon Ball and it's stale character designs.
Sometimes change isn't needed. The new pokemon style is ugly as hell imo, and dragonball's style is amazing. And besides, people still complain about Dragonball's new style so I don't get what you're aiming at?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Metalwario64 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:53 pm

kinisking wrote:I don't know, if you have to edit it to make it look better, then it's not better imo. The original anime version simply doesn't convey the emotion necessary. Manga still wins though.
I prefer the anime's expression though, and I prefer a well drawn, changed expression over a poorly drawn, but accurate expression.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by kinisking » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:02 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
kinisking wrote:I don't know, if you have to edit it to make it look better, then it's not better imo. The original anime version simply doesn't convey the emotion necessary. Manga still wins though.
I prefer the anime's expression though, and I prefer a well drawn, changed expression over a poorly drawn, but accurate expression.
Goku's face is a little fat, but I wouldn't say it's poorly drawn. Also, I prefer accurate expressions too. I'll respect your opinion though.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:09 pm

I wish everyone didn't have to be so technical about how the characters look. At least they look like the characters, I mean, off-model? Sure, but it's better than being, say, sloppy.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Avok » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:15 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:I wish everyone didn't have to be so technical about how the characters look. At least they look like the characters, I mean, off-model? Sure, but it's better than being, say, sloppy.
If they look bad they look bad, simple as that. Not to mention the awful color choices.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:19 pm

Avok wrote:If they look bad they look bad, simple as that. Not to mention the awful color choices.
But they don't look bad. Sometimes, of course, but that Goku shot looks fine to me. And I, for one, prefer the current color scheme to Z, aside from the "orange" gi color.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by nite_jay » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:27 pm

For me it's manga>RoF>anime. The shading in the original anime is really blotchy and weird. I could see where they were going with it but it still just looks unnatural.

I don't see how Goku's face looked "fat" in the RoF version, though. The original manga also had a it of a weird jawline. The only difference I see here is that the shoulder is covering some of the chin.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Bansho64 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:36 pm

When it comes down to it, it's all just Yamamuro's ugly designs and influence. I know Ajay doesn't like talking about them, but that's really what it's coming down to most of the time when were discussing the modern designs. It has hardly anything to do with being "technical". Some of us just feel that his stuff is just lifeless and plastic garbage. That might sound like I'm hating on him but that's the best and most accurate description that I can think of.

Edit: Avok's description below is basically how I feel about this :P
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Avok » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:41 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
Avok wrote:If they look bad they look bad, simple as that. Not to mention the awful color choices.
But they don't look bad. Sometimes, of course, but that Goku shot looks fine to me. And I, for one, prefer the current color scheme to Z, aside from the "orange" gi color.
That's your opinion, but we have ours!

For example, Trunks looks sloopy and weird 90% of the time, at least to me. His complete design is just off.

And for me this:

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Looks better than this:

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The first feels organic, and human-like. The colors blend nicely too. And while I like the expression in the second one, the design feels too stiff, not to mention that it looks like plastic and the face structure is rather weird.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Metalwario64 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:47 pm

Avok wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:
Avok wrote:If they look bad they look bad, simple as that. Not to mention the awful color choices.
But they don't look bad. Sometimes, of course, but that Goku shot looks fine to me. And I, for one, prefer the current color scheme to Z, aside from the "orange" gi color.
That's your opinion, but we have ours!

For example, Trunks looks sloopy and weird 90% of the time, at least to me. His complete design is just off.

And for me this:

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Looks better than this:

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The first feels organic, and human-like. The colors blend nicely too. And while I like the expression in the second one, the design feels too stiff, not to mention that it looks like plastic and the face structure is rather weird.
Well, you're comparing the original Z shot to my corrected RoF shot. Here's the original shot from RoF:
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Anyway, here's another good Yamamuro shot from that Majin Vegeta episode:
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The reason I post that is because for the hell of it, I decided it would be fun to try and make it look like it was from an average episode of Super:
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:50 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:I reason I post that is because for the hell of it, I decided it would be fun to try and make it look like it was from an average episode of Super:
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
You know, I love your edits, but this one doesn't look how Super would.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Metalwario64 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:54 pm

Yeah, I'm too used to making them look like Yamamuro in Z that I'm a bit inexperienced in all of the little nuances that make Super look like.. itself... I'm at least happy with the eyes and the mouth... Maybe I should have pointed the nose upward a bit more. It's also a tad sloppy since I drew the entire thing by mouse.

At least I got the colors right! :lol:
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by nite_jay » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:35 pm

I tried to make Metalwario64's edit look like it came out of an Karasawa episode.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Metalwario64 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:46 pm

Maybe this looks a little more Super-ish? I don't know much of any individual's style (I've only seen several episodes), so this is more of a general style sort of thing:

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Vs. the original Z Yamamuro shot I made this from once again:

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If it's still off, I'm going to just leave it alone and do what I know how to do. :p
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:52 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:Maybe this looks a little more Super-ish? I don't know much of any individual's style (I've only seen several episodes), so this is more of a general style sort of thing:
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
Vs. the original Z Yamamuro shot I made this from once again:
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
If it's still off, I'm going to just leave it alone and do what I know how to do. :p
That is a bit better. You should (in another thread) take some Super Saiyan shots from Z and recolor them into Blue. =P
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Metalwario64 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:05 pm

I just wanted to try something different for a change. :lol:

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There's a tad hint of yellow around the hair because the original shot has a slight blur effect (which looks awesome), so recoloring it is tricky. I love this shot though, so whatevs. :lol:
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by neolux » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:24 pm

This is what happens when there is no episode of Super :D xD Just kidding xD

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #58]

Post by Avok » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:54 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:I just wanted to try something different for a change. :lol:

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There's a tad hint of yellow around the hair because the original shot has a slight blur effect (which looks awesome), so recoloring it is tricky. I love this shot though, so whatevs. :lol:
With the hair closer to how Toriyama colored it in the SSB illustration:
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