SansrivaaL wrote:Somehow I get this feeling that Zamasu's wish for immortality or whatnot isnt exactly the way we see it, because of how Black reacted after Zamasu got stabbed, called him an idiot and attacked Trunks.
Considering how Black normally is, you know with how "utsukushii" type of chuunibyou the guy is he would have said "isnt it beautiful that my kin has an immortal body? you wont be able to do anything"
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Doubt it, if he was referring to Trunks he wouldnt have had an annoyed face while saying it, he would have been laughing and wouldnt even bother attacking Trunks, he definitely called Zamasu the idiot and hastily attacked Trunks for a reason.HeroR wrote:SansrivaaL wrote:Somehow I get this feeling that Zamasu's wish for immortality or whatnot isnt exactly the way we see it, because of how Black reacted after Zamasu got stabbed, called him an idiot and attacked Trunks.
Considering how Black normally is, you know with how "utsukushii" type of chuunibyou the guy is he would have said "isnt it beautiful that my kin has an immortal body? you wont be able to do anything"
He called Trunks the idiot.
He looked straight at Trunks and called him an idiot, before knocking the sword out of his hands. Also, Black has no problem in general double teaming with Zamasu given that he fired on all of them when Zamasu held Trunks and Goku down, which is far more damaging than anything Trunks could ever expel.SansrivaaL wrote:
Doubt it, if he was referring to Trunks he wouldnt have had an annoyed face while saying it, he would have been laughing and wouldnt even bother attacking Trunks, he definitely called Zamasu the idiot and hastily attacked Trunks for a reason.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Ehh. That'll only happen if Black is stronger at that point then the anime. Even then going God at that point would defeat the point of that whole little segment.ekrolo2 wrote:It'll also make more sense for Black to get SSRose in the manga since Goku's little sparring match with Trunks all but confirms he'll be using SSGod (at least) to fight Black in their first bout.TheMikado wrote:Yeah I mean this drastically raises the stakes vs Black. One false step and there may be no coming back even with Whis there. Plus it seems to imply it there's some cosmic consequences to using it.
He is drastically stronger than in the anime already. Trunks' near SS3 level power was nothing to Black and even Goku needed to use God to one shot Trunks, this all but confirms he'll be using that during their first bout. This makes Black's acquisition of a God form more sensible too than in the anime where he's just fighting SS2 Goku.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Ehh. That'll only happen if Black is stronger at that point then the anime. Even then going God at that point would defeat the point of that whole little segment.ekrolo2 wrote:It'll also make more sense for Black to get SSRose in the manga since Goku's little sparring match with Trunks all but confirms he'll be using SSGod (at least) to fight Black in their first bout.TheMikado wrote:Yeah I mean this drastically raises the stakes vs Black. One false step and there may be no coming back even with Whis there. Plus it seems to imply it there's some cosmic consequences to using it.
Yes, Future Trunks has become more powerful. But I don't want to see him becoming a Super Saiyan God. The transformation should be unique to both Goku and Vegeta. Also, Trunks will do better having his potential unlocked like how Gohan did with Old Kai. That way he can have power that's unique to him, which will also share similarities to Gohan in the Fusion saga.ekrolo2 wrote:
He is drastically stronger than in the anime already. Trunks' near SS3 level power was nothing to Black and even Goku needed to use God to one shot Trunks, this all but confirms he'll be using that during their first bout. This makes Black's acquisition of a God form more sensible too than in the anime where he's just fighting SS2 Goku.
The manga makes so much more sense than the anime, in fact i wouldn't be surprised is Trunks managed to Take a lucky shot on Black in the manga, with the anime we need headcanon, with the manga i didn't even need to think about trying to bring some sense to this kind of things.ekrolo2 wrote:He is drastically stronger than in the anime already. Trunks' near SS3 level power was nothing to Black and even Goku needed to use God to one shot Trunks, this all but confirms he'll be using that during their first bout. This makes Black's acquisition of a God form more sensible too than in the anime where he's just fighting SS2 Goku.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Ehh. That'll only happen if Black is stronger at that point then the anime. Even then going God at that point would defeat the point of that whole little segment.ekrolo2 wrote:
It'll also make more sense for Black to get SSRose in the manga since Goku's little sparring match with Trunks all but confirms he'll be using SSGod (at least) to fight Black in their first bout.
You can argue that the Capsule Corp found away to bring dinosaurs back to life. Why tie Super into GT? I feel like it would not work given how the power scaling for those two are way off. Also other character statements contradict with each other. I remember Goku told Super Yi Xing Long that "Out all of the people that I met in my life, you're the strongest" and yet Goku met the Omni-King in Super. I highly doubt Super Yi Xing Long is stronger than the Omni-King. Goku in GT also mention that he has not seen Kibitoshin and Elder Kai since Buu and yet in Super he has met them again a few years after Buu.TheMikado wrote:Seriously dude?? Look I can do it too
Beerus claims to have wiped out dinosaurs on Earth. However, Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z show that dinosaurs still exist on Earth.
Earth has continents that match the size and location of those in the real world. This is different than the Dragon World geography seen in Dragon Ball.
Therefore Super can't be canon and in the same continuity as the other series....
Trunks got lucky in the anime too though. Trunks caught Black off guard then managed to take a lucky shot and blow him back into a building. Goku knew this was lucky and hence he immediately swapped partners with Trunks.dbs fanboy wrote:The manga makes so much more sense than the anime, in fact i wouldn't be surprised is Trunks managed to Take a lucky shot on Black in the manga, with the anime we need headcanon, with the manga i didn't even need to think about trying to bring some sense to this kind of things.
I blame Vegeta. Sounds crazy, but hear me out. Vegeta's been marketed way more than before. He's right there in the opening along side Goku and it's called the Goku AND Vegeta show for a reason by some fans. So why does this make Goku and idiot? Because they have to make Goku and Vegeta look more unique when compared to each other. Their personalities have to bounce off each other and provide some chemistry. So they made Goku look like the goofy idiot, and Vegeta the smart and serious one. In DBZ, it was Gohan who was the second in importance. This actually helped Goku's character develop because he fell into a mentor role. We don't have that anymore.ekrolo2 wrote:If there's one thing they could take from GT without making it explicit and actually integrate it fairly well is how to write Goku. In GT, despite being a child, they manage to write him as a fun loving, battle seeking but also surprisingly mature when the situation calls for it. Super Goku is bar none the most insufferable version of him I've seen, he's leaps and bounds stupider now than he ever was even as a kid. Except then he was a hick living in the woods, now he's 40 something with lots of experience under his belt but considerably stupider than ever before. How the hell does that work?
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Agreed. What can they do with GT that can't be done in Super? Why have SSj4 when you have new and powerful god forms? Yeah there is the Shadow Dragons, but most of them did suck in my opinion. GT had Goku as a kid for the whole show and they didn't bother to make him a grown up again after Bebi. Super 17 is also a stupid idea when they could have just create their own cyborg/android instead. Let Super and GT be their own thing. If we go beyond after DBZ, they could label GT as alternate continuity like they do with the older DBZ movies (DB Movies 1-4 are listed as alternate worlds). Even Xenoverse had GT be mention as a different timeline.Grimlock wrote:We have Dragon Ball Online that continues the series even further. Dragon Ball GT is fine the way it is.
Not a bad theory, however, I'm not sure if Vegeta being just the serious one completely applies. The show doesn't stray from making him look like a jackass too, especially in earlier episodes where he's involved in all sorts of things you wouldn't usually associate with the character. If they simply gave Goku some more range, that would help matters out but they don't: he's 100% retarded 100% of the time. Even when it looks like he's taking things seriously for a bit nothing comes of it.kinisking wrote:I blame Vegeta. Sounds crazy, but hear me out. Vegeta's been marketed way more than before. He's right there in the opening along side Goku and it's called the Goku AND Vegeta show for a reason by some fans. So why does this make Goku and idiot? Because they have to make Goku and Vegeta look more unique when compared to each other. Their personalities have to bounce off each other and provide some chemistry. So they made Goku look like the goofy idiot, and Vegeta the smart and serious one. In DBZ, it was Gohan who was the second in importance. This actually helped Goku's character develop because he fell into a mentor role. We don't have that anymore.ekrolo2 wrote:If there's one thing they could take from GT without making it explicit and actually integrate it fairly well is how to write Goku. In GT, despite being a child, they manage to write him as a fun loving, battle seeking but also surprisingly mature when the situation calls for it. Super Goku is bar none the most insufferable version of him I've seen, he's leaps and bounds stupider now than he ever was even as a kid. Except then he was a hick living in the woods, now he's 40 something with lots of experience under his belt but considerably stupider than ever before. How the hell does that work?
