If Cell kept blowing himself up.

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Re: If Cell kept blowing himself up.

Post by Darkprince410 » Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:34 pm

Gohan wasnt conscious? Maybe you should watch the episode again, Vegeta was definitely injured worse since he had a whole chunk taken out of him, gohan was scratched up but definitely not at risk for death, and 'killing him' its quite known that statements in dragon ball z can be outlandish; even though i remember no such statement. Not really, it wasnt til vegeta came to fight frieza that he even powered up, til then no one sensed that he had gotten any power up; buus comment was just an empty comment that has been missing from several cases of revivals or healings before then I've never heard anyone instantly be commented on power increasing after a healing other than from themselves and inadvertently after they emit that power increase (i.e power up) which never happed.
I'm referring to Vegeta's injury following the battle with Recoome, how Gohan was shown to be in a far worse state physically than Vegeta was at that instant, yet Vegeta received a near-death power from his recovery while Gohan was indicated not to have. Following Dende healing him, Gohan got back onto his feet and was ready to fight Buu again, and at that point there'd be no logical reason for him to be holding back power if he received a power-up from being near death.
Buu definitely acted surprised or we can use your manga which you like using so much to 'prove me wrong' he said,"i powered up a lot this time, and this time a dont have a time limit" why would he say such a thing or be happy in his power increase and he knew exactly how much power gohan had, buu even said something earlier in the fight which contradicted his statement about gohans so called 'no power up' about him possibly having more power and thus more reinforces what i just said, he said,"without your father holding your hand, you really are nothing" as if gohan was only fighting on half anyway without the goku rooting and guidance he had any other time so yeah i highly doubt gohan was ever at full in the first place so why would he have needed to 'power up' anyway if he was never at full power?
His reaction is one of delight rather than surprise, while at the same time rubbing it in Goku's face just how hopeless the situation has become for him. Goku came in hopes of being able to stop Buu, but now Buu's stronger than ever. Additionally, that "Father holding your hand" bit is a dubism, as he says no such thing in the original manga. At no point is it indicated at all that Gohan was putting out anything less than his maximum against Gotenks Buu, and when he popped back up after Dende healed him, there's no reason he wouldn't have powered up to full if he had gained more power. He was preparing for battle and expecting an attack, so there's no reason to refrain from using that extra power if he could.
Buu fought gohan at 2 tiers, 1 where he was far out-powered by gohan, and another where equal or higher than gohan slightly; so after measuring gohan at those 2 extremes, why would he have had such a reaction; he didnt react that way when he first absorbed fat buu as evil buu, or even when he absorbed gotenks, or the fat kai or the south kai, but gohan? Good try, but not.
He did have that same general kind of reaction when he absorbed Gotenks, boasting that he was now the most powerful Ma-jin, but in Gohan's base, he was bragging about how he was even more powerful than he was before, and with no time limit to impede him. Nothing about it indicates he was shocked about the power he received. With the Pure Evil Buu absorbing Mr. Buu, who was he going to brag to? No one else was immediately around, and with the absorption of the Dai and South Kaioushin, both those were filler scenes in the anime, so how Buu actually reacted after absorbing them is an unknown.

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Re: If Cell kept blowing himself up.

Post by dragon ball truth » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:14 am

Yeah, i know gohan was powered up, yeah and i also know that buu had the android 16 sensing capabilities to sense gohans inner powers if he had any; you know the same abilities he had that he thought he could beat even super veggetto with, buus ability to sense energy is shoddy at best anyway.


The anime has shown to correct several things that werent in the manga, actually in the manga which you like quoting so much goku stated even, "are we sure he doesnt go further than this" and also, gohan never felt the need to power up since he didnt feel any power increase of buu to challenge his own still as shown by the beginning of the fight; if gohan was as strong or near strong or stronger than buu, it still wouldnt matter because of picollos mind, thats the true reason of no extra power up; the fact that nothing emotionally drew out gohans real power as originally it always did so dub or manga doesnt matter gohan was never mad enough to emotionally have his true power drawn out, FACT.



Why would he be happy to now have power over goku who he was already stronger than as super buu? moot point kid.

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Re: If Cell kept blowing himself up.

Post by Hitiro » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:14 am

dragon ball truth wrote:The anime has shown to correct several things that werent in the manga, actually in the manga which you like quoting so much goku stated even, "are we sure he doesnt go further than this" and also, gohan never felt the need to power up since he didnt feel any power increase of buu to challenge his own still as shown by the beginning of the fight; if gohan was as strong or near strong or stronger than buu, it still wouldnt matter because of picollos mind, thats the true reason of no extra power up; the fact that nothing emotionally drew out gohans real power as originally it always did so dub or manga doesnt matter gohan was never mad enough to emotionally have his true power drawn out, FACT.
I'm not sure where you are getting that "are we sure he doesn't go further than this" line from the manga. Can you please provide context? A page? A chapter? When he actually says this? Because I can't recall this. Also. While Gohan has been shown to draw out his true power when he gets emotional that isn't what we are talking about here. We are talking specifically about Zenkai's which happen when a character is severely beaten and close to death. But as we have seen throughout the story the extent of being "close to death" varies pretty widely. From Vegeta standing up and just not being able to move to Gohan having his neck broken on the battlefield by Recoom. Another example of Gohan getting a Zenkai is when he was beaten badly by Freeza and then Dende healed him. To which everybody noticed his strength had increased.
Strength Checker wrote:Chapter: 299 (DBZ 105), P13.1
Context: after Gohan is healed by Dende
Vegeta: “Heh…Just as you’d expect of someone with Saiyan blood, after reviving his battle power has greatly risen…A-alright! Luck is turning our way just a little bit…”
But Boo specifically says the opposite when Gohan is healed by Dende in the Boo arc. So clearly Zenkai's have either stopped being a thing at this point because the characters are so powerful or the Zenkai was so tiny that it didn't even register.

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Re: If Cell kept blowing himself up.

Post by DanielSSJ » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:24 pm

Even if Cell could survive blowing himself up repeatedly, I sorta imagine that he would receive diminishing gains from each comeback.
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