Was the exaggeration of Broly's power THAT bad?
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Was the exaggeration of Broly's power THAT bad?
Granted, it's bad that a character that has proven to be weak to other villains is getting all of the power attention, but is it really that bad for Broly though? I think he's been getting fair treatment in many games. I say the only times that were ovedone was when Broly was overpowered as PHUCK in Sagas, and his appearance in Attack of the Saiyans, a game that had nothing to do with his story. Other than that, all the other games didn't give Broly that much special treatment. Hell, even in Heroes, it wasn't bad at all, since most saiyans getting the same forms as well.
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Re: Was the powerwanking for Broly THAT bad?
No. When he is "OP", he is only slightly more powerful than other characters. And besides, it's the movies that made LEGENDARY Super Saiyan underwhelming. Just a generic 'nother form. Only Vegito and SSJ4 Gogeta (maybe SSJ) are ever OP.
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Re: Was the powerwanking for Broly THAT bad?
Yes and no. Raging Blast first got the ball rolling by giving him his own Legendary SSJ3. Then Heroes started to give him all the forms a Saiyan could possibly gain, one at a time; Super Saiyan 4 and Golden Great Ape being the highlights. Not mention being shoehorned into several Dragon Ball games, specifically as a hidden extra boss, that was the beginning of a mentality of Broly being the true final hurdle for you to overcome to complete the game. But I have to say, the amount of powerwanking that Badock has gotten, specifically in Heroes, has been ludicrous. He was able to take on Super Saiyan 4 Goku, withstood a combined punch from Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta, Xeno Trunks and Piccolo, was able to block a punch from Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta as well and survives a Spirit Bomb produced by with the added powers of Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, Piccolo and Xeno Trunks. I mean, what new for can Broly be given to that kind of powerwanking? Bardock is the numero uno Saiyan now.
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Re: Was the exaggeration of Broly's power THAT bad?
The ball really started rolling in Budokai 3 where not only does the intro have him drawing blood on Super Gogeta, in Dragon Universe its said hes even stronger than Buuhan of all people. Budokai Tenkaichi 3's intro also had him trading evenly with Super Gogeta.
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Re: Was the exaggeration of Broly's power THAT bad?
Dragon Ball Heroes is a world of milk, honey, and bad fan fiction by design, so it really should not factor into anything.
Is he actually popular in Japan beyond the YouTube poops? Otherwise Dimps' just favors the brute. That said, his greatest asset is that his fighting power is one of the vaguest in the series; no one actually challenges him in either movie- he is defeated by one narrative necessity or another, not by superior force. Who is to say he can't trade punches with Gogeta when he's fresh?
Is he actually popular in Japan beyond the YouTube poops? Otherwise Dimps' just favors the brute. That said, his greatest asset is that his fighting power is one of the vaguest in the series; no one actually challenges him in either movie- he is defeated by one narrative necessity or another, not by superior force. Who is to say he can't trade punches with Gogeta when he's fresh?
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Re: Was the exaggeration of Broly's power THAT bad?
Budokai 3 started ot because it has Goku and Vegeta stating Broly> Kid Buu and later Super Buu is afraid of Rssj Broly.
Re: Was the exaggeration of Broly's power THAT bad?
Technically his power continues to rise when he is in that form his he has no limit to what he can do. Personally having him as SSJ4 was a bit much I mean I understand it because DBH is a long term game so to keep it fresh they need to do these things and create new forms for characters but SSJ3 was enough. Broly just dominated in Movie 8 and I guess developers were just drawn to that more than anyone else.
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Re: Was the exaggeration of Broly's power THAT bad?
I think intros don't count much. It's just fan favorite characters duking it out. At least the gameplay in those games made their powers consistent.KentalSSJ6 wrote:The ball really started rolling in Budokai 3 where not only does the intro have him drawing blood on Super Gogeta. Budokai Tenkaichi 3's intro also had him trading evenly with Super Gogeta.
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Re: Was the exaggeration of Broly's power THAT bad?
His fan base, really they just over hype him as hell and the guys at Toei, seeing a good money maker, just ran with it. Why did fans latch onto Broly so badly compared to his counterparts? I have no idea, while it is cool to see an pure evil super saiyan (despite what Vegeta said he was technically an anti-hero by the android saga) with a new form and lots of GREEN! He also had the whole LEGENDARY thing in his title and some seems in the movie that fans really take out of context make him seem stronger then he really is.
In reality Broly is rather generic. Toei has three types of moves for dragon ball 1) Original Villain - a brand new guy who takes some influence from dragon balls mythology (Garlic, Wheelo and Hirudegarn), 2) The Clones - villains who are reworked versions of existing characters (Turles, Slug, Cooler and Janemba) and finally 3) The generic, anti-Toriyama hulks - villains who are really the opposite of Toriyama's creations (Super #13 and Broly). Bojack is the oddball of the group as he's kind a blend of all three.
I'll get this out of the way first, Super #13 and Broly are in reality just ripoffs of Android Saga Vegeta and Trunks. Seriously they are the laziest of the whole movie crew. Infact Super #13 feels like a proto-Broly and Bojack feels like he wanted to be his own thing but just cant get out from under Broly's looming shadow. In many ways Broly is the anime version of the generic characters seen in comic books in the 90's. They look cool, are roided out as hell, they have cool backstories but are about as deep as a puddle character wise.
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Really all that makes Broly stand apart from #13 is that he's a saiyan, a slightly better design and he has ties to older DB story mythos. He's big, he's flashy and really feels cool until you scratch his surface and find nothing under it. Anything people try to say about him (myself included is just fanfiction and theories).
In reality Broly at his "cannon" strongest (Second Comeing) he would get steamrolled by fat Buu. Anything other villain/antagonist passed that point is overkill.
Please note that I am not Broly bashing here, I am merely stating the facts as I see them. I like Broly and his what if forms but I am also well aware of how flawed of a character he is as well. Hell my guilty pleasure from the movies is Lord Slug whi as everyone points out is a clone of King Piccolo. I ever like Super 13 despite my harsh words and the Funi dub really helps him be more likeable.
In reality Broly is rather generic. Toei has three types of moves for dragon ball 1) Original Villain - a brand new guy who takes some influence from dragon balls mythology (Garlic, Wheelo and Hirudegarn), 2) The Clones - villains who are reworked versions of existing characters (Turles, Slug, Cooler and Janemba) and finally 3) The generic, anti-Toriyama hulks - villains who are really the opposite of Toriyama's creations (Super #13 and Broly). Bojack is the oddball of the group as he's kind a blend of all three.
I'll get this out of the way first, Super #13 and Broly are in reality just ripoffs of Android Saga Vegeta and Trunks. Seriously they are the laziest of the whole movie crew. Infact Super #13 feels like a proto-Broly and Bojack feels like he wanted to be his own thing but just cant get out from under Broly's looming shadow. In many ways Broly is the anime version of the generic characters seen in comic books in the 90's. They look cool, are roided out as hell, they have cool backstories but are about as deep as a puddle character wise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unjq5qGIHZk
Really all that makes Broly stand apart from #13 is that he's a saiyan, a slightly better design and he has ties to older DB story mythos. He's big, he's flashy and really feels cool until you scratch his surface and find nothing under it. Anything people try to say about him (myself included is just fanfiction and theories).
In reality Broly at his "cannon" strongest (Second Comeing) he would get steamrolled by fat Buu. Anything other villain/antagonist passed that point is overkill.
Please note that I am not Broly bashing here, I am merely stating the facts as I see them. I like Broly and his what if forms but I am also well aware of how flawed of a character he is as well. Hell my guilty pleasure from the movies is Lord Slug whi as everyone points out is a clone of King Piccolo. I ever like Super 13 despite my harsh words and the Funi dub really helps him be more likeable.
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Re: Was the exaggeration of Broly's power THAT bad?
I think so. He was the final boss after Beerus. It just gets worse. :p
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Re: Was the exaggeration of Broly's power THAT bad?
Yes, for the Legendary Super Saiyan has long been since given Wolverine Publicity just because those behind Dragon Ball these days really like hyping up characters who are more like mad Bodybuilders than actual threats to their Universe and beyond.
Re: Was the exaggeration of Broly's power THAT bad?
Yes, a lot. He should be able to fight SSJ2 Goku in Buu Saga equally at best. Not only that, but they are making him more and more dumb as time goes on.
Re: Was the exaggeration of Broly's power THAT bad?
I'd say Broly is up there with Bardock and Future Trunks in Japan, because from the things I've seen he's bundled with Super characters. Like key-chains for SSJB Goku, Vegeta, Beerus and Broly. There was a weird candy thing they came out with too that had all Super characters and Broly, the guy's also milked to hell and back in Heroes but nothing compared to Bardock. If Future Trunks returning in Super was because of his popularity, I wouldn't mark out seeing a Broly and Bardock arc. I think he was in a pack of stickers that leaked SSJR Black too.BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Dragon Ball Heroes is a world of milk, honey, and bad fan fiction by design, so it really should not factor into anything.
Is he actually popular in Japan beyond the YouTube poops? Otherwise Dimps' just favors the brute. That said, his greatest asset is that his fighting power is one of the vaguest in the series; no one actually challenges him in either movie- he is defeated by one narrative necessity or another, not by superior force. Who is to say he can't trade punches with Gogeta when he's fresh?