Things that grind your gears

nickzambuto · Post by **nickzambuto** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:54 pm

I don't know if it's correct to say this "grinds my gears" so much as simply breaks my immersion, but it's when fan fictions and manga involve far more references to past events than the actual series does. People bring things up all the time like why Muten Roshi forgot about the Mafuba, but when a fan writer actually DOES address this, has characters explain the reason, and then tries to bring it back, since the series itself is so consistent in forgetting things and moving on, it just strikes me as... not-Dragon Ball. I wonder if anyone else has ever felt the same?

Anime Kitten · Post by **Anime Kitten** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:59 pm

nickzambuto wrote:I don't know if it's correct to say this "grinds my gears" so much as simply breaks my immersion, but it's when fan fictions and manga involve far more references to past events than the actual series does. People bring things up all the time like why Muten Roshi forgot about the Mafuba, but when a fan writer actually DOES address this, has characters explain the reason, and then tries to bring it back, since the series itself is so consistent in forgetting things and moving on, it just strikes me as... not-Dragon Ball. I wonder if anyone else has ever felt the same?

I've never read any fanfics like that, but I do see where you're coming from. Thankfully, though, mine isn't a continuation of the series so it doesn't have anything like that!

#ShamelessPlug

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:05 pm

nickzambuto wrote:I don't know if it's correct to say this "grinds my gears" so much as simply breaks my immersion, but it's when fan fictions and manga involve far more references to past events than the actual series does. People bring things up all the time like why Muten Roshi forgot about the Mafuba, but when a fan writer actually DOES address this, has characters explain the reason, and then tries to bring it back, since the series itself is so consistent in forgetting things and moving on, it just strikes me as... not-Dragon Ball. I wonder if anyone else has ever felt the same?

It would break my immersion if I went in expecting Toriyama, but since I don't (and you shouldn't either), I just accept them for what they are. Well, unless they're irredeemably awful, anyway.

For example, Toyble's AF was pretty garbage story-wise, filled with cliche's, and even a lot of inconsistencies for its short run. That being said, the way he wrote the characters were consistent, his artwork was good, and he was able to hold a steady tone throughout his own story, making it worth a read (especially now that he's doing the DB Super Manga, it's interesting to see his style develop).

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:47 pm

Misuse and abuse of the terms "random" and "out of nowhere" in arguments and opinions.

nickzambuto · Post by **nickzambuto** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:45 pm

ABED wrote:Misuse and abuse of the terms "random" and "out of nowhere" in arguments and opinions.

Is that about Dragon Ball or in general?

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:47 pm

nickzambuto wrote:
ABED wrote:Misuse and abuse of the terms "random" and "out of nowhere" in arguments and opinions.
Is that about Dragon Ball or in general?

In general, and DB falls under that umbrella.

Anime Kitten · Post by **Anime Kitten** » Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:21 pm

"Toriyama probably forgot about X."

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:37 am

Anime Kitten wrote:"Toriyama probably forgot about X."

He generally does

. And that's ok.

ekrolo2 · Post by **ekrolo2** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:10 am

nickzambuto wrote:I don't know if it's correct to say this "grinds my gears" so much as simply breaks my immersion, but it's when fan fictions and manga involve far more references to past events than the actual series does. People bring things up all the time like why Muten Roshi forgot about the Mafuba, but when a fan writer actually DOES address this, has characters explain the reason, and then tries to bring it back, since the series itself is so consistent in forgetting things and moving on, it just strikes me as... not-Dragon Ball. I wonder if anyone else has ever felt the same?

I actually appreciate when fanfic writers remember stuff from the past at all. Its one of the reasons why I went out of my way to bring back the microband in Yamcha & Ox-King :p

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:17 am

nickzambuto wrote:I don't know if it's correct to say this "grinds my gears" so much as simply breaks my immersion, but it's when fan fictions and manga involve far more references to past events than the actual series does. People bring things up all the time like why Muten Roshi forgot about the Mafuba, but when a fan writer actually DOES address this, has characters explain the reason, and then tries to bring it back, since the series itself is so consistent in forgetting things and moving on, it just strikes me as... not-Dragon Ball. I wonder if anyone else has ever felt the same?

One of the great things about fanfiction is that it allows you to experience the franchise in another style. So, that's actually a good thing.

Baggie_Saiyan · Post by **Baggie_Saiyan** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:37 am

Perhaps the biggest thing that grinds me is (this isn't exclusive to Dragon Ball by the way) when a reboot or revival or re-something comes along and it may not be up to scratch but people start saying stuff like "franchise ruined" "childhood ruined" etc. Seen these comments for Super when it was in a tough time, but that really annoys me unless your memories and the previous incarnation are bring erased away from existence then nothing is being ruined at all.

I mean if anything it should make you appreciate the original more. That is the type of over exaggeration I dislike a lot.

In-verse things that grind me are when we get loads of talking and stare downs in battles, like eurgh.

Cetra · Post by **Cetra** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:00 pm

Toriyama-san or everyone else in fiction that is the only name that people know for being in charged used to be praised and blamed for anything.

The blaming part is not all that extreme though because in case of Dragon Ball they also blame Toei.

Like Toriyama-san is the only one who can do something about Dragon Ball. Another example would be just praising and blaming Taro Yoko-san in the Drakengard-series for everything made which is just inappropriate.

Anime Kitten · Post by **Anime Kitten** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:20 pm

rereboy wrote:He generally does . And that's ok.

It's still blown way out of proportion now. I don't think he forgets everything he does or makes.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:23 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
rereboy wrote:He generally does . And that's ok.
It's still blown way out of proportion now. I don't think he forgets everything he does or makes.

Hardly anyone says he forgets literally everything. The point is that he easily forgets stuff, even characters, and he probably has to check his work to refresh his memory regarding many things. On top of that, he's not that concerned with absolute consistency like many fans are.

Cetra · Post by **Cetra** » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:29 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
rereboy wrote:He generally does . And that's ok.
It's still blown way out of proportion now. I don't think he forgets everything he does or makes.

I think Toriyama-san takes his forgetfulness with a lot of humor. He does not make a big deal about it.

Saikyo no Senshi · Post by **Saikyo no Senshi** » Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:54 pm

When fans say "off-model" is bad animation. I'm sick of the word "off-model".

- Travis

Waddox · Post by **Waddox** » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:48 pm

Akira wrote: -Any discussions about what is "canon" or not. There is no official canon. Pick the stuff you enjoy, and add it to whatever you accept as part of the story. There's a bunch of movies, specials, versions of the TV series and mangas. Pick stuff a la carte, and piece together what you accept or like, or think "fits".

Statements like that grind my gears. Akira Toriyama's manga is undeniably canon, and how am I supposed to pick what I enjoy (the anime version of Bardock) and "make it fit" when Toriyama went out of the way to make almost everything in the Bardock TV Special not fit into the canon continuity.
Even if we ignore all of DB Minus there are still major continuity problems:
-Bardock having a wife who he loves so much just doesn't work with the TV Special and Episode Of Bardock. Why doesn't Bardock remember Gine at all, and why would he go to a tavern to ask some strangers for help instead of going to find Gine to warn her about Freeza's betrayal?
-Toriyama also said that Bardock was a low-class warrior who lived and died as a low-class warrior, which makes Bardock's power level of 10,000 and the whole SSJ Bardock story completely impossible.

What pisses me off the most about this is that Toriyama took a character that he didn't create in the first place and made all these careless, dumb, changes with no regard for the already established continuity. I wouldn't complain if Toriyama revealed his own version of Bardock back in 1990 when the TV Special was released. But what Toriyama did was basically troll the fans by telling us "LOL everything you know about Goku's father is wrong" 24 goddamn years after Bardock was introduced. That's bullshit, and it made it lose a lot of respect for Toriyama.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:56 pm

Saikyo no Senshi wrote:When fans say "off-model" is bad animation. I'm sick of the word "off-model".

- Travis

It's a perfectly legitimate term and yes, if it is off model, there's a good chance it's bad animation.

Bansho64 · Post by **Bansho64** » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:04 pm

When people say the English dub of DeeeBeeZeee and the Bruce Faulconer score is what made the series popular. I've actually seen some treat other dubs in differenr llanguages like crap for no reason. No reason at all. Hating just for the sake of hating.

For example, someone posted the news of Dragon Ball Super getting dubbed in Portuguese soon on Reddit. One of the respones was, "unless its funimation dont post about it. nobody speaks these languages".
What. The. Heck.

Jinzoningen MULE · Post by **Jinzoningen MULE** » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:08 pm

Bansho64 wrote:When people say the English dub of DeeeBeeZeee and the Bruce Faulconer score is what made the series popular. I've actually seen some treat other dubs in differenr llanguages like crap for no reason. No reason at all. Hating just for the sake of hating.

For example, someone posted the news of Dragon Ball Super getting dubbed in Portuguese soon on Reddit. One of the respones was, "unless its funimation dont post about it. nobody speaks these languages".
What. The. Heck.

Git off planet America!

In all seriousness, I totally agree. This English fandom especially has a surprising Xenophobia problem.

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