Creative Product Corp Dub on VHS?

[linkdude20002001]

Speedy Dub did actually dub movie 11, the only movies I have seen no evidence of being dubbed is movie 13, DB Movie 1 and 4.

Also I just noticed, on the vimeo clip https://vimeo.com/23613741 Rio del Rosario just replied to a comment asking about getting the dub released!

"hello craig. i've forwarded your message to creative products. let's see what they'll say. i couldn't upload the movie without permission, intellectual rights violation and all. we sure did have a lot of fun dubbing that movie and i sincerely wish that we be able to release it to the public legally. thanks and best regards"

I don't think anything will come of it, but it's cool to have the dub acknowledged, maybe we could request that he uploads a short clip containing dialogue? That in itself would be amazing!

Oh, fuck! I didn't think he'd reply so fast, if at all! XD This is exciting. I hope something good comes out of all this.

Also, do you have a picture of Movie 11? I've never seen it. Ever. I have, however, seen Movie 13 (Explosion of Dragon Punch), DB Movie 1 (The Legend of Shenron), and DB Movie 4 (The Way to the Strongest) for sale. I should have pictures of all of them somewhere. My stuff's hard to find thanks to me having to re-install Windows again and again. Currently, I only have pictures of 13 and DB 4 that I can show.

[clutchins]

Holy shit. Any and all proof of the speedy dub and creative products dubwould be greatly appreciated!

[thomas1up]

Speedy Dub did actually dub movie 11, the only movies I have seen no evidence of being dubbed is movie 13, DB Movie 1 and 4.

Also I just noticed, on the vimeo clip https://vimeo.com/23613741 Rio del Rosario just replied to a comment asking about getting the dub released!

"hello craig. i've forwarded your message to creative products. let's see what they'll say. i couldn't upload the movie without permission, intellectual rights violation and all. we sure did have a lot of fun dubbing that movie and i sincerely wish that we be able to release it to the public legally. thanks and best regards"

I don't think anything will come of it, but it's cool to have the dub acknowledged, maybe we could request that he uploads a short clip containing dialogue? That in itself would be amazing!

Oh, fuck! I didn't think he'd reply so fast, if at all! XD This is exciting. I hope something good comes out of all this.

Also, do you have a picture of Movie 11? I've never seen it. Ever. I have, however, seen Movie 13 (Explosion of Dragon Punch), DB Movie 1 (The Legend of Shenron), and DB Movie 4 (The Way to the Strongest) for sale. I should have pictures of all of them somewhere. My stuff's hard to find thanks to me having to re-install Windows again and again. Currently, I only have pictures of 13 and DB 4 that I can show.

I only have the file of Movie 11 not the actual case, but I do have a clip for proof here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1u8fhF2zzk, notice how it uses the Japanese voices for attacks and screams which is unique for this movie.

[linkdude20002001]

Thanks! I figured it was dubbed since they dubbed every other DBZ movie. Now I just need to find a picture of the VCD itself.

Holy shit. Any and all proof of the speedy dub and creative products dubwould be greatly appreciated!

Do you mean the pictures I have? If so, I can look for the rest. It might be hard to find, tho.

[clutchins]

Thanks! I figured it was dubbed since they dubbed every other DBZ movie. Now I just need to find a picture of the VCD itself.

Holy shit. Any and all proof of the speedy dub and creative products dubwould be greatly appreciated!

Do you mean the pictures I have? If so, I can look for the rest. It might be hard to find, tho.

Yeah pictures are always great.

[SupaFumeiJin]

I only have the file of Movie 11 not the actual case, but I do have a clip for proof here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1u8fhF2zzk, notice how it uses the Japanese voices for attacks and screams which is unique for this movie.

Hate to break it to ya but that's movie 10

[VSVoidSpartan]

I should mention this if you guys haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZfPulNM3Ek (Broly Movie Trailer as seen in RPN 9)

For this one, Creative Product Crop. isn't the one that worked on this. I guess the local channel RPN 9 did this with their own studio?
(I just wish that the audio was in better condition, but many years can do a big number on the tapes if it isn't taken better care of. )

[Vorige Waffe]

All I can say is I hope you guys are successful in getting ANYTHING related to the Southeast Asian dubs out to the public. I've always been curious about these dubs as any English ADR work from that region in regards to anime is impossible to find half the time and when it is, it's always poorly preserved or badly encoded.

Also, the explanation as to why the Creative dub of movies 5/6 being only available through special order and/or only at festivals sure would explain the terrible encode we've had to put up with for so long. I wouldn't be surprised if that rip is from a telecine made from the film print. Anyways its limited theatrical distribution sure does explain why even someone like Kei can't get a hold of a better copy. Hopefully Mr. Rosario can pull through and get us that new copy.

[thomas1up]

I only have the file of Movie 11 not the actual case, but I do have a clip for proof here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1u8fhF2zzk, notice how it uses the Japanese voices for attacks and screams which is unique for this movie.

Hate to break it to ya but that's movie 10

This is what happens when you leave the dragon ball fandom for a while.... I forgot Bio Broly even existed....

I'm just going to pretend this never happened

[sangofe]

So Creative Product's behind the so-called "Speedy" movies?

[linkdude20002001]

No, the English dub released by Speedy was made in Malaysia, had different actors, and a different script (in horrible English. Maybe a mix between Malaysian-English and Manglish? Just a guess). It was made by Toei Animation Enterprises and Animation Internationa. Creative Products' dub, however, was a sublicence they received from Animation International like how Geneon sublicenced the first three DBZ movies from Funimation, or how most of Europe got Dragon Ball from AB Groupe.

[TheBlackPaladin]

No, the English dub released by Speedy was made in Malaysia, had different actors, and a different script (in horrible English. Maybe a mix between Malaysian-English and Manglish? Just a guess). It was made by Toei Animation Enterprises and Animation Internationa. Creative Products' dub, however, was a sublicence they received from Animation International like how Geneon sublicenced the first three DBZ movies from Funimation, or how most of Europe got Dragon Ball from AB Groupe.

So, just to make sure I'm reading this correctly, do you mean to say that the Creative Product Corp dub is actually a dub...of the Speedy dub?

[OmegaRockman]

No, the English dub released by Speedy was made in Malaysia, had different actors, and a different script (in horrible English. Maybe a mix between Malaysian-English and Manglish? Just a guess). It was made by Toei Animation Enterprises and Animation Internationa. Creative Products' dub, however, was a sublicence they received from Animation International like how Geneon sublicenced the first three DBZ movies from Funimation, or how most of Europe got Dragon Ball from AB Groupe.

So, just to make sure I'm reading this correctly, do you mean to say that the Creative Product Corp dub is actually a dub...of the Speedy dub?

Wow, I'very heard of dubs of dubs, but an English dub of another English dub? And the English dub that's being English dubbed already uses a rather broken version of English to begin with? Jesus.

[linkdude20002001]

So, just to make sure I'm reading this correctly, do you mean to say that the Creative Product Corp dub is actually a dub...of the Speedy dub?

No, no. :O They translated it themselves. It's like how Geneon's dub of DBZ Movie 3 was translated from scratch and not based on the horrible script provided to Funimation by Toei (right? I think there was a translator mentioned in the credits. I'll have to check.). Well, either way tho, Geneon's dub was not based FUNi's dub's script.

Wow, I'very heard of dubs of dubs, but an English dub of another English dub? And the English dub that's being English dubbed already uses a rather broken version of English to begin with? Jesus.

A dub of a dub from the same language isn't something I'm not used to seeing. Disney redubbed several Studio Ghibli films using the original English dubs' scrips as "translations" to work off of. So, despite fitting the mouth flaps perfectly, they would rewrite it to make it a Disney film instead of a Studio Ghibli film...not too unlike Funimation with DBZ.

[Danfun64]

The Creative Product dub is a dub of the Malaysian dub...or at the very least is based off the same script? Never heard that before...

We know for a fact that the 2010 Funi dub of Curse of the Blood Rubies uses the script of the 1995 Funi/BLT dub which uses the script of the 198x Harmony Gold dub, and the Big Green dub uses the French dub as the base of its script, so it's not like dubs of dubs are new to the DB world... but the Creative Product Corp being derivative of Speedy...that's a new one...

...or we might have all misinterpreted what the post said.

[SupaFumeiJin]

...or we might have all misinterpreted what the post said.

I think what he is saying is that Creative Products got their dubbing license and materials from Animation International in Hong Kong which is also where Speedy got theirs. So both dubs are sublicensed from Animation International, Creative Products isn't sublicensed from Speedy. I may be wrong but that's how I understand it.

[linkdude20002001]

That's basically how it is. Creative Products got it from Animation International, but translated it themselves and ignored the horrible dub.

However, the "Speedy dub" is actually "Licensed by Toei Animation Enterprises and Animation International", and "Executively distributed in Malaysia by: Speedy Video Distributions". Now that I think about it, it was probably dubbed in Hong Kong (where both T.A.E and A.I are located). Maybe even aired there before Speedy bought the rights to release that dub in Malaysia.

[Vorige Waffe]

TO CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION

The Creative Products Corp dub of movies 5/6 is an English dub made in the Philippines using English speaking Filipino actors. It was produced sometime in the mid 90s.

The Speedy dub was made in Malaysia possibly staring (since we have no cast lists for it) Malay actors badly speaking English. It was made at a later date and heavily bootlegged on VCD.

There's also that Filipino/Southeast Asain dub of DBZ movie 10 shown on RPN-9. No one knows who dubbed it, since it doesn't sound like it came from Creative Products. No one is sure when it was produced or aired.

None of these dubs are related to each other.

[linkdude20002001]

Yeah, none of those dubs are related. The only ones related are Creative Products' dub and the Tagalog dub (as in the Tagalog language spoken in the Philippines). I don't believe Creative Products made that dub, but it IS based on that dub in that they tried to get back as many of the same voice actors as they could. Some recasts had to be made, tho, like Ramirez as Gokuh since he had moved to the United Stated by then. In the end, I don't know how many VAs were brought back. The reason for the show being redubbed in Tagalog instead of continuing from where Creative Products left off in English is becuz... At the time of Creative Products' dub, the magority of cartoons on TV were American, not Japanese, so they dubbed it in English to get more viewers. When the Tagalog dub was made, it was at a time when Spanish, Korean, and Taiwanese shows were being brought into the Philippines and dubbed in Tagalog.

As for the "Speedy dub", are we so certain it was dubbed after the Creative Products dub? For all we know, they were dubbing things as they came out in Japan, right?

[SupaFumeiJin]

At the time of Creative Products' dub, the magority of cartoons on TV were American, not Japanese, so they dubbed it in English to get more viewers. When the Tagalog dub was made, it was at a time when Spanish, Korean, and Taiwanese shows were being brought into the Philippines and dubbed in Tagalog.

Though I have heard that at a later point in Creative Products' DB dub (and I'm not sure if it's true or not) they slowly incorporated some Tagalog making it a Taglish dub and by the time it got to the Piccolo Jr. arc it had become entirely Tagalog.