"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Chuquita]

I hope the new ED has fun animation to go with it like the current one does.

[LittleGreen]

I have found 2 nice Songs from Arukara.

Links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsiV5Ov7_JY

http://de.musicplayon.com/ARUKARA-Itsuw ... 52027.html


I have grown to Yoka Yoka Dance, and it´s quite ironic how the darkest Arc so far has the most cheerful ending. xD
But i´m all into getting something new, too. xD


@Baggie_Saiyan
Yeah a new OP would be great, too.
Maybe after a possible Timeskip, like in Z? But also it could be, like in GT and they stick with one the entire run. But we can´t say for sure now.

Yeah maybe, I don't think we're getting a timeskip anytime soon though and if we do it'll probably be for EoZ , unless they're just gonna get there naturally. It's weird Kai 1.0 had the same OP for 98 episodes then Kai2.0 had different openings.

I think so, too.
Getting Z Uub in Super and EoZ Pan would be AWESOME! Also adult Goten and Trunks. But yeah, i wouldn´t expect it also anytime soon. ^^

Well, GT had only one opening. Maybe they´re staiying with the little change from Arc to Arc and the changing endings.

[UpFromTheSkies]

I don't think we'll ever see EoZ era because Toriyama doesn't like it. If anything, they may skip way past EoZ after Goku and Vegeta have passed away and have a new main cast.

[nite_jay]

I kind of wish they'd just forget about EoZ. But since Oob was mentioned already though they don't have to completely forget about him.

[kinisking]

I kind of wish they'd just forget about EoZ. But since Oob was mentioned already though they don't have to completely forget about him.

I like the fact that Oob exists. How often does an indian/middle eastern get a big(positive too) role in foreign media? Not much.

[HeroR]

God ki is only insensible for gods like Beerus. The Kais can be sense by mortals since Goku sensed King Kai and tried to sense the Supreme Kai when blew up the Earth. It wasn't until Beerus that Goku explicitly said, 'I can't sense him'. Also, it's a stretch to think Goku sensed Bubbles from the mortal realm. He could barely sense Bulma on Earth during the Buu Saga.

Again, look back at the statements i posted, it is pretty clear that all of them are referring to Gods in general, not just Beerus. Kaioshin is a God, and so Kaio. And again, we don't know who's Ki he's trying to locate when Pure Boo was about to destroy the Earth.

Also, comparing Bubbles to Bulma is just unfair. It took Goku like 40 days to catch Bubbles where he first trained here, and he also mistook him as Kaio first. It isn't far-fetched to think Bubbles have Ki strong enough Ki to be sensed by Goku from Earth.

He trained to unlock Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Nothing about him having a certain percentage of God ki in his body.

Same thing, it was stated that he obtained the God power without the need of the ritual.

He didn't sense Bulma on the same planet, let alone the afterlife. And Bubble is an animal who are naturally stronger than humans. Doesn't mean he's ki is higher.

The only thing clear in everything you posted is that Beerus can't be sense by most mortals. If that was always the case with gods, Goku wouldn't have been surprised that he couldn't sense Beerus.

[nite_jay]

I kind of wish they'd just forget about EoZ. But since Oob was mentioned already though they don't have to completely forget about him.

I like the fact that Oob exists. How often does an indian/middle eastern get a big(positive too) role in foreign media? Not much.

I like Oob too, but I hope they take his training in a different direction. When Goku left basically everybody else went in their own separate ways, which made everyone too old by the time GT started.

[kinisking]

I kind of wish they'd just forget about EoZ. But since Oob was mentioned already though they don't have to completely forget about him.

I like the fact that Oob exists. How often does an indian/middle eastern get a big(positive too) role in foreign media? Not much.

I like Oob too, but I hope they take his training in a different direction. When Goku left basically everybody else went in their own separate ways, which made everyone too old by the time GT started.

I wouldn't say they're too old. Vegeta, Gohan, Goku, and Piccolo are still young physically. The only old ones are the humans and it's not like they could possibly contribute anymore even if they were younger.

[Chuquita]

If they ever do use Uub in Super I hope they differentiate him from Kid Gohan. They're both hidden-power, somewhat shy, and fighting because they have to.

I'd say go into the Buu angle. Have Uub learn his origins and come to grips with it and then move forward positively (Unless that would be too similar to Gokû in the saiyan and Freeza arcs.)

Uub has a big family. Introduce them, make us care about them. They're who he fights for.

[nite_jay]

I like the fact that Oob exists. How often does an indian/middle eastern get a big(positive too) role in foreign media? Not much.

I like Oob too, but I hope they take his training in a different direction. When Goku left basically everybody else went in their own separate ways, which made everyone too old by the time GT started.

I wouldn't say they're too old. Vegeta, Gohan, Goku, and Piccolo are still young physically. The only old ones are the humans and it's not like they could possibly contribute anymore even if they were younger.

I guess so. I still kinda find the shift of the humans being too old kinda lame. Especially when the main character that grew up with them has been and will be in his physical prime for an extra 20 years because saiyan hax.

[Neon Z]

If they ever do use Uub in Super I hope they differentiate him from Kid Gohan. They're both hidden-power, somewhat shy, and fighting because they have to.

I'd say go into the Buu angle. Have Uub learn his origins and come to grips with it and then move forward positively (Unless that would be too similar to Gokû in the saiyan and Freeza arcs.)

That wasn't really the point though. Yeah, he went to the tournament money due to his village being poor, but near the ending Goku says that it's exciting to meet someone powerful, and Uub smiles in agreement. He's supposed to be someone who enjoys fighting, like Goku. Kid Buu seemed to enjoy fighting and Uub carries that. It's one of the reasons Goku wants to make him his successor, rather than his children who didn't share the same enthusiasm.

[HeroR]

If they ever do use Uub in Super I hope they differentiate him from Kid Gohan. They're both hidden-power, somewhat shy, and fighting because they have to.

I'd say go into the Buu angle. Have Uub learn his origins and come to grips with it and then move forward positively (Unless that would be too similar to Gokû in the saiyan and Freeza arcs.)

That wasn't really the point though. Yeah, he went to the tournament money due to his village being poor, but near the ending Goku says that it's exciting to meet someone powerful, and Uub smiles in agreement. He's supposed to be someone who enjoys fighting, like Goku. Kid Buu seemed to enjoy fighting and Uub carries that. It's one of the reasons Goku wants to make him his successor, rather than his children who didn't share the same enthusiasm.

That's true. It seems unless you're Future Trunks, fighting for the sake of protecting isn't the same type of motivator as fighting for the sake of fighting.

[Khin]

He didn't sense Bulma on the same planet, let alone the afterlife. And Bubble is an animal who are naturally stronger than humans. Doesn't mean he's ki is higher.
The only thing clear in everything you posted is that Beerus can't be sense by most mortals. If that was always the case with gods, Goku wouldn't have been surprised that he couldn't sense Beerus.

The bolded part doesn't make sense at all. Power and Ki are suppose to be the same thing, it's pretty much the reason why characters in the series can tell who's stronger or how strong someone is, by sensing their Ki. So the stronger you are, the higher your Ki.

I presented multiple counter-arguments, and now you said all of those except for one thing isn't clear without even providing a solid reason why. How does it make sense for Beerus being the only God who cannot sensed by mortals when it was stated not once, twice, but thrice that Gods in-general cannot be sensed. How can we have statements like"You can't sense the Ki of deities", "Those two have barely reached the level where they can sense the Ki of a God", "So you can finally sense the Ki of a God ?" if they're only referring to Beerus ? Both Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue cannot be sensed by normal people, yet the freakin' Kaioshin can be ?

We never got any implication that there are different types of Divine Ki (Black's line in episode 56 and Present Zamasu's line in episode 57 implies otherwise), and if it have, it should already be brought up when the concept of sensing God Ki was established.

You also seem to constantly talking about how Goku was surprised that he can't sense Beerus' Ki, so it would be nice if you can tell me what scene and episode is that from.

[HeroR]

He didn't sense Bulma on the same planet, let alone the afterlife. And Bubble is an animal who are naturally stronger than humans. Doesn't mean he's ki is higher.
The only thing clear in everything you posted is that Beerus can't be sense by most mortals. If that was always the case with gods, Goku wouldn't have been surprised that he couldn't sense Beerus.

The bolded part doesn't make sense at all. Power and Ki are suppose to be the same thing, it's pretty much the reason why characters in the series can tell who's stronger or how strong someone is, by sensing their Ki. So the stronger you are, the higher your Ki.

I presented multiple counter-arguments, and now you said all of those except for one thing isn't clear without even providing a solid reason why. How does it make sense for Beerus being the only God who cannot sensed by mortals when it was stated not once, twice, but thrice that Gods in-general cannot be sensed. How can we have statements like"You can't sense the Ki of deities", "Those two have barely reached the level where they can sense the Ki of a God", "So you can finally sense the Ki of a God ?" if they're only referring to Beerus ? Both Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue cannot be sensed by normal people, yet the freakin' Kaioshin can be ?

We never got any implication that there are different types of Divine Ki (Black's line in episode 56 and Present Zamasu's line in episode 57 implies otherwise), and if it have, it should already be brought up when the concept of sensing God Ki was established.

You also seem to constantly talking about how Goku was surprised that he can't sense Beerus' Ki, so it would be nice if you can tell me what scene and episode is that from.

No, they're not. Toryama even said that muscle and ki are not the same thing. That is how you have someone like Mr. Satan who is physical very strong, but doesn't use ki at all. In Super, his ki is so low that a group of aliens couldn't sense him and they assumed he was suppressing it. You are also suggesting that Goku sensed a small monkey in the afterlife.

You're only counter-argument was about Beerus, not the Kais, where I gave several example where Goku sensed the Kais and expressed surprised when he couldn't sense Beerus, despite being surrounded by gods for decades. And this was in BOG movie and the retelling when King Kai told him about Beerus.

[Khin]

No, they're not. Toryama even said that muscle and ki are not the same thing. That is how you have someone like Mr. Satan who is physical very strong, but doesn't use ki at all. In Super, his ki is so low that a group of aliens couldn't sense him and they assumed he was suppressing it. You are also suggesting that Goku sensed a small monkey in the afterlife.

There is a big difference between muscles and Ki and the reason is quite obvious when you have the strongest character in the franchise being a 2 feet toddler-looking guy. Mister Satan is only strong compared to regular humans, Garbi and co. comes from the assumption that Satan fought Beerus, so it makes sense for them to assume that Satan was just suppressing his Ki if the Ki they are sensing is low. Power/Raw-strength and Ki being the same thing have been established way before, never once in the series where a character sensed a tremendous Ki and doubted that they are not that strong, it is always them realizing that they are incredibly strong. I can literally show tens of example, but you can see it for yourself.

You're only counter-argument was about Beerus, not the Kais, where I gave several example where Goku sensed the Kais and expressed surprised when he couldn't sense Beerus, despite being surrounded by gods for decades. And this was in BOG movie and the retelling when King Kai told him about Beerus.

It wasn't just about Beerus at all, I gave multiple statements throughout the series about Gods in-general being unsensible by mortals, and I also showed several examples about Kaioshin being unsensible back in the 25th TB. I gave counter-arguments about the examples you showed and you didn't respond to those. And again, you need to tell me about the specific episode and minute to see it for myself since my internet connection is incredibly slow.

[HeroR]

No, they're not. Toryama even said that muscle and ki are not the same thing. That is how you have someone like Mr. Satan who is physical very strong, but doesn't use ki at all. In Super, his ki is so low that a group of aliens couldn't sense him and they assumed he was suppressing it. You are also suggesting that Goku sensed a small monkey in the afterlife.

There is a big difference between muscles and Ki and the reason is quite obvious when you have the strongest character in the franchise being a 2 feet toddler-looking guy. Mister Satan is only strong compared to regular humans, Garbi and co. comes from the assumption that Satan fought Beerus, so it makes sense for them to assume that Satan was just suppressing his Ki if the Ki they are sensing is low. Power/Raw-strength and Ki being the same thing have been established way before, never once in the series where a character sensed a tremendous Ki and doubted that they are not that strong, it is always them realizing that they are incredibly strong. I can literally show tens of example, but you can see it for yourself.

You're only counter-argument was about Beerus, not the Kais, where I gave several example where Goku sensed the Kais and expressed surprised when he couldn't sense Beerus, despite being surrounded by gods for decades. And this was in BOG movie and the retelling when King Kai told him about Beerus.

It wasn't just about Beerus at all, I gave multiple statements throughout the series about Gods in-general being unsensible by mortals, and I also showed several examples about Kaioshin being unsensible back in the 25th TB. I gave counter-arguments about the examples you showed and you didn't respond to those. And again, you need to tell me about the specific episode and minute to see it for myself since my internet connection is incredibly slow.

That is because ki is the breaking point from being merely being beyond human, to being super human as Roshi puts it. Mr. Satan is extremely strong, but since he doesn't used ki, he is limited. The same with Videl before she learned ki control. Bubbles being able to move around 10x gravity makes him physically stronger than most humans, but it doesn't mean he has ki that is high enough for Goku to sense from the mortal realm.

Goku showed that he could sense the Supreme Kai when he tried to teleport away from Kid Buu's blast when he tried to blow up the planet and they could sensed him at the 25th tournament because he was suppressing himself. Only Piccolo saw the truth since he learned he was a Kai, and even then he couldn't sense Beerus in neither BOG or Super despite being the former Kami. In Super, he didn't even know Beerus was a god until Denda told him. The whole thing about god ki being incomprehensible to mortals wasn't a thing until BOG. Otherwise, King Kai wouldn't have to say to Goku, 'of course you can't sense Beersu, he's a god'.

But, I'me done here. Believe whatever you want, because I am not going to look through Super's episodes and the movie just to show you Goku being shocked at hearing why he can't sense Beerus.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I'd hate to totally stunt the conversation, but this could be settled by looking at the translations. I don't remember which it was, but I encourage you to look for it.

[Khin]

That is because ki is the breaking point from being merely being beyond human, to being super human as Roshi puts it. Mr. Satan is extremely strong, but since he doesn't used ki, he is limited. The same with Videl before she learned ki control. Bubbles being able to move around 10x gravity makes him physically stronger than most humans, but it doesn't mean he has ki that is high enough for Goku to sense from the mortal realm.

The best thing Satan showed was beating the crap out of the armed men who attack them back then. Even people like Goku, Yamcha, and Chi-Chi at the start of the series has already shown feats way beyond to what anything Satan did and Roshi still didn't consider them super humans. Satan is only strong compared to regular humans because he's a trained martial artist. I already linked you the Strength Checker thread that have all statements about guys sensing tremendous Ki and immediately assuming that they strong with no showing of any doubt whatsoever so I don't need to repeat it again.

Goku showed that he could sense the Supreme Kai when he tried to teleport away from Kid Buu's blast when he tried to blow up the planet and they could sensed him at the 25th tournament because he was suppressing himself. Only Piccolo saw the truth since he learned he was a Kai, and even then he couldn't sense Beerus in neither BOG or Super despite being the former Kami. In Super, he didn't even know Beerus was a god until Denda told him. The whole thing about god ki being incomprehensible to mortals wasn't a thing until BOG. Otherwise, King Kai wouldn't have to say to Goku, 'of course you can't sense Beersu, he's a god'.

But, I'me done here. Believe whatever you want, because I am not going to look through Super's episodes and the movie just to show you Goku being shocked at hearing why he can't sense Beerus.

Again and again. It was never shown or stated whose Ki Goku was trying to locate when Boo destroyed Earth, and even then, he failed to sense Ki so it doesn't mean anything. Piccolo doesn't need to be able to sense divine Ki to realize that Kaioshin is a God, especially if Piccolo is no longer a God. I take Cipher's explanation for this that Piccolo felt the tremendous pressure that the divine Ki possess (As stated by Trunks in episode 54) when they face-to-face, and realized that Kaioshin is a God, even ignoring the fact that it happened way before the concept of God sensing was brought up. I literally posted a bunch of examples over and over again so feel the need repeat it once again.

Your first respond to my post is that Black shouldn't have the Ki of a God because his Ki can be sense by the likes of Piccolo, yet you believe that Kaioshin/Zamasu (The Ki Black have) can be sensed, which really doesn't make sense as Zamasu is a Kaioshin, who is a god.

Also, if you actually know which episode and what minute it happened then you don't need to look for it. The fact that I didn't see it anywhere in the Fact Checker Thread and you said something in one of our arguments before that turned out to be nonexistent makes me doubt the line actually exists. And I'm also quite sleepy now so I don't feel like continuing this anymore.

I'd hate to totally stunt the conversation, but this could be settled by looking at the translations. I don't remember which it was, but I encourage you to look for it.

I already posted quotes from the Fact Checker Thread and linked the Strength Checker thread. If that's what you're referring to.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Finally Yoka Yoka trash is getting replaced. I hope the next ED has good vocals.

- Travis

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Finally Yoka Yoka trash is getting replaced. I hope the next ED has good vocals.

- Travis

Can I ask why so many hate this theme? Sure, it's in that weird Japanese "pop" genre, but it works in its context.