"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Post by Speedster » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:19 pm

dbgtFO wrote:It was a mistranslation :P
What was really said was "over 10 years"
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:It's not a mistranslation
Hmm, conflicting answers! I too seem to recall reading in the initial translation comments here “over 10 years” when chapter 15 first appeared a month ago. But I always like to go back and read the full translation from elsewhere and I was surprised to read that it was just 10 years and not over 10 years. In Kanzenshuu’s chapter 15 synopsis this bit is missing. Herms, where are you?!
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:but you are off. Trunks defeated Cell in his timeline in AGE 788 and then traveled back in time to tell everyone that he saved his world. That was the last time he saw everyone (save Goku), so you should be looking at AGE 797-798 for the future and AGE 780-781 for the present...
Well we never saw Future Trunks actually going back in time from Age 788 in the manga. For all we know Trunks could be pretending preparing to travel back in time as it was destined in the original timeline for Cell to attack him in the process and steal his time machine. In other words he didn't want to miss the opportunity to lure Cell. Also given that in Super it was specifically stated that Trunks had to retain the same settings in the time machine and make journeys of 17 years, if he travelled for the third time from Age 788 he had to return to Age 771. No-one from the cast has said anything about a third trip of Trunks to the main timeline that was 3 years after the Cell games.

But in any case, all these are irrelevant anyway as Trunks’ response of “it has been 10 years” it was to Goku’s comparison of Trunks with SSJ2 Gohan “back then”. Personally I find it only logical to interpret this as 10 years since the Cell games aka (i)since Gohan’s transformation into SSJ2, (ii)since Goku saw Trunks last time. Why would Trunks refer to his last (arguable) journey that Goku didn't even know about? And why not just say "it's has been 13 years"? – all he wanted to do was to highlight how long he had been training to reach that level of power.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:which is exactly where things should be based on the movies statements of Beerus waking up in 778, Golden Freeza in 779, etc.
You mean the promotional material of the BoGs movie, not he the movie itself - nowhere in the movie BoGs a specified timeskip is mentioned or a year in the Age calendar. Also the statements in the movie's promotional material are not necessarily applicable to Dragonball Super. As far as Dragonball Super goes in episode 1 the narrator says 6 months after the defeat of Buu plus some time. What is more Beerus "ordered" Freeza to destroy Planet Vegeta before going to sleep and after he woke up he asked Whis whether Freeza carried out the task. To me this suggests that Beerus went to sleep before the destruction of the planet as otherwise he would have been aware of it. So 737 is the latest Beerus went to sleep + 39 years and presto Age 776 for BoGs. Since BoGs we had 1 year timeskip for RoF plus 4 months for Freeza's training plus and another 8 months for U6 arc (see Dragonballs use in episode 29) plus probably a few more months here and there until the current events. So Age 778 (=785+10-17) is perfectly in line with everything as far as I am concerned. Pan's age in the manga ending is simply retconned - after all her 1 year age difference with Bra has already been retconned anyway as it also has another part of the original manga ending - the part where Goku told Vegeta about Uub for the first time in the 28th TB while according to Super he had already told him about him during the fighters selection for the U6 tournament (episode 30).

Edit: Actually the age of Pan doesn't need to be retconned. As I explained in my TRUE timeline the Buu arc took place in the last quarter of Age 772. If Pan was born 4.5 years prior to Age 782 that can still fall in Age 777 - BoGs took place 8-8.5 months prior so it can be in Age 776.
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Post by FortuneSSJ » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:31 pm

-Chapter 16-
Toyotaro did a splendid job with Buu arc in FT Trunks timeline! Can we just have a OVA about that already?! I need it!
I was still hoping that FT Trunks new sword was the Z Sword, but looks like it was broken back then.

Interesting new stuff about Black. Good chapter.
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Post by HeroR » Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:28 pm

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HeroR wrote:Not just Zen-O, but all the god attendance. And again, someone is killing gods in all universe. This should count as some kind of emergency and unless Black can kill someone like Whis and Vados, there is really no excuse for inaction. Plus, what kind of sense does it make to replace the gods before you kill then thing that killed the other gods? Also, Zen-O came to check on Beerus and Champa for not doing their jobs because they were holding tournament. Yet, taking out the thing killing gods is beneath his time now.
The attendants are just attendants, they might not have the authority to do anything directly. Their role is to attend to the Gods of Destructions and the Gods of Destruction are the clean-up crew.

Regardless, we don't have enough information so we don't know what makes sense or not.
Until it's explained, it make no sense. Too many excuses of why someone can murder gods that basically boil down to, maybe they don't know or it's not their job.
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Post by Pannaliciour » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:16 pm

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Pannaliciour wrote:But in the previous chapter he fought Trunks right?
Yes, but I'm fairly certain their scuffle didn't mention his character element in that chapter. Seeing as it was based upon their battle in Episodes 47 and 48, which also didn't feature that information, it's yet to be seen if the two sources share that detail.
Do you think it is a Toei think? You know Black getting stronger and the joy of pain?

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Post by kinisking » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:22 pm

Three things:
So FT wasn't strong enough to be Dabra on his own? So he wasn't much stronger (if he even was) then Boo saga Gohan. Makes his current fights seem even weirder since he couldn't have gotten that much stronger.

Was that his first time achieving ss2?

Trunks' spin of the sword is reminiscent of Gohan's.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:27 pm

So, based on the manga (both the original & Super), I went & made a timeline briefly describing the events of Trunks' timeline, and Trunks' evolution of his battle power.

[spoiler]Age 764
Mecha Freeza & King Cold attack Earth. Goku returns & kills them. Goku later dies from a heart attack because of a virus.

Age 766
Trunks is born.

Age 767
Artificial Humans #17 & #18 begin their attack, killing Vegeta, Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaozu. Gohan is the sole survivor. Pilaf, Shu, and Mai gather the Dragon Balls to wish for youth, and turn into babies as a result, and thus the Shenlong grands his final wish shortly before Piccolo & Kami die.

Age 780
Trunks has begun training with Gohan, but even though he has turned into a Super Saiyan, Gohan can easily handle him with one arm without turning into a Super Saiyan. Gohan, who is at around the same level as Goku was before he died, dies in a battle with the Artificial Humans.

Age 783
Bulma completes the Time Machine. Trunks, who has reached the same level that Gohan was before his death, goes to the past at Age 764. Trunks returns, and 8 months later, he goes back to Age 767. Trunks returns & kills the Artificial Humans, having obtained power on par with Vegeta's at the Cell Games through his training inside the Room of Spirit and Time for 2 days in the past.

Age 784
Trunks trains with Kaioshin & Kibito using the Z-Sword, and obtains power greater than Super Saiyan Gohan's from the Cell Games. Dabra & Babidi attempt to revive Boo. Super Saiyan Trunks doesn't stand a chance against Dabra, but after Kibito gets killed by Dabra, Trunks finally becomes a Super Saiyan 2 and overpowers Dabra. Kaioshin assists Trunks to kill Dabra & Babidi, but eventually dies from his injuries, which kills the Hakaishin Beerus. Goku Black chooses Trunks' timeline to attack because Beerus, the most troublesome Hakaishin, is dead in this world. Trunks isn't satisfied with the power Super Saiyan 2 gave him, so he keeps training hard for the next years.

Age 786
Trunks prepares to go back to the past in order to inform his friends that he defeated the Artificial Humans, but as he expected, Cell appears to kill him & steal his time machine. Trunks easily kills Cell.

Age 795
Goku Black attacks Earth in order to eliminate the humans, after having eliminated all the Kaioshin from all other universes which killed all the Hakaishin, and after having eliminated the humans from countless other planets. Trunks is unable to defeat Black.

Age 796
Trunks founds Bulma dead from Black's hands. Trunks has trained to his outmost limits from ever since he returned from the past, but still can't stand a chance against Black. Having enough energy for a one-way trip with the Time Machine, Trunks goes back to Age 779 of the parallel world to get help from his friends after Mai seemingly dies to help him escape. At this point, Super Saiyan 2 Trunks is almost as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku.[/spoiler]
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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:45 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, based on the manga (both the original & Super), I went & made a timeline briefly describing the events of Trunks' timeline, and Trunks' evolution of his battle power.

[spoiler]Age 764
Mecha Freeza & King Cold attack Earth. Goku returns & kills them. Goku later dies from a heart attack because of a virus.

Age 766
Trunks is born.

Age 767
Artificial Humans #17 & #18 begin their attack, killing Vegeta, Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaozu. Gohan is the sole survivor. Pilaf, Shu, and Mai gather the Dragon Balls to wish for youth, and turn into babies as a result.

Age 780
Trunks has begun training with Gohan, but even though he has turned into a Super Saiyan, Gohan can easily handle him with one arm without turning into a Super Saiyan. Gohan, who is at around the same level as Goku was before he died, dies in a battle with the Artificial Humans.

Age 783
Bulma completes the Time Machine. Trunks, who has reached the same level that Gohan was before his death, goes to the past at Age 764. Trunks returns, and 8 months later, he goes back to Age 767. Trunks returns & kills the Artificial Humans, having obtained power on par with Vegeta's at the Cell Games through his training inside the Room of Spirit and Time for 2 days in the past.

Age 784
Trunks trains with Kaioshin & Kibito using the Z-Sword, and obtains power greater than Super Saiyan Gohan's from the Cell Games. Dabra & Babidi attempt to revive Boo. Super Saiyan Trunks doesn't stand a chance against Dabra, but after Kibito gets killed by Dabra, Trunks finally becomes a Super Saiyan 2 and overpowers Dabra. Kaioshin assists Trunks to kill Dabra & Babidi, but eventually dies from his injuries, which kills the Hakaishin Beerus. Goku Black chooses Trunks' timeline to attack because Beerus, the most troublesome Hakaishin, is dead in this world. Trunks isn't satisfied with the power Super Saiyan 2 gave him, so he keeps training hard for the next years.

Age 786
Trunks prepares to go back to the past in order to inform his friends that he defeated the Artificial Humans, but as he expected, Cell appears to kill him & steal his time machine. Trunks easily kills Cell.

Age 795
Goku Black attacks Earth in order to eliminate the humans, after having eliminated all the Kaioshin from all other universes which killed all the Hakaishin, and after having eliminated the humans from countless other planets. Trunks is unable to defeat Black.

Age 796
Trunks founds Bulma dead from Black's hands. Trunks has trained to his outmost limits from ever since he returned from the past, but still can't stand a chance against Black. Having enough energy for a one-way trip with the Time Machine, Trunks goes back to Age 779 of the parallel world to get help from his friends after Mai seemingly dies to help him escape. At this point, Super Saiyan 2 Trunks is almost as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku.[/spoiler]
Thank you very much for taking the time to make this, DBZGTKOSDH.

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Post by mikey4111 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:46 pm

I feel like this suggests that Gohan was a SS2 (low tier) against Dabura. Trunks has to be at the peak of SS power after all that training with Supreme Kai and using the Z sword and he still got completely owned by Dabura. A rusty Gohan who hasn't trained in 7 years was able to fight even with him. Just pointing that out.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:52 pm

mikey4111 wrote:I feel like this suggests that Gohan was a SS2 (low tier) against Dabura. Trunks has to be at the peak of SS power after all that training with Supreme Kai and using the Z sword and he still got completely owned by Dabura. A rusty Gohan who hasn't trained in 7 years was able to fight even with him. Just pointing that out.
Keep in mind that we never actually saw Dabra's full power in the original work, Boo killed him before we got the chance. If you consider it an inconsistency, it's a soft one at best.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:03 pm

mikey4111 wrote:I feel like this suggests that Gohan was a SS2 (low tier) against Dabura. Trunks has to be at the peak of SS power after all that training with Supreme Kai and using the Z sword and he still got completely owned by Dabura. A rusty Gohan who hasn't trained in 7 years was able to fight even with him. Just pointing that out.
Yeah, the only thing that supports Gohan being a regular Super Saiyan against Dabra is the lack of sparks, which can be explained due to Gohan being rusty. Dabra is described being on par with Cell, and he is shown to be even with Gohan. The only form that Cell was even with Gohan was in his Super Perfect form while Gohan was a SS2, while in all his other forms, he was either weaker or stronger than Gohan. Vegeta also complained that Gohan was too rusty & it was taking too long to finish the fight when it shouldn't, but neither him nor Goku make any mention about Gohan holding back SS2, or anything other than his rage boost. Rather, they talk as if Gohan is doing his best, and his best sucks due to his lack of training. Furthermore, Gohan doesn't have the SS hairstyle that he has before the 25th TB, but the exact same hairstyle he has against Kibito, where he was undoubtedly a SS2. Later, while trying to prevent Majin Boo's revival, Gohan powers up at full power but fails to get a rage boost, and he looks exactly like he did against Dabra: he has SS2 hairstyle, but no sparks (he also looked the same when he got angry on Spopovitch for almost killing Videl & when he trained with the Z-Sword). According to Kaioshin, in his fight with Boo, Gohan displayed power greater than he did against Kibito, where he was undoubtedly a SS2.

Now, this chapter shows that Dabra really is beyond regular SS level.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Keep in mind that we never actually saw Dabra's full power in the original work, Boo killed him before we got the chance. If you consider it an inconsistency, it's a soft one at best.
Not even once was it hinted that Dabra was holding back, and he was unable to do any damage to Gohan.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
mikey4111 wrote:I feel like this suggests that Gohan was a SS2 (low tier) against Dabura. Trunks has to be at the peak of SS power after all that training with Supreme Kai and using the Z sword and he still got completely owned by Dabura. A rusty Gohan who hasn't trained in 7 years was able to fight even with him. Just pointing that out.
Yeah, the only thing that supports Gohan being a regular Super Saiyan against Dabra is the lack of sparks, which can be explained due to Gohan being rusty. Dabra is described being on par with Cell, and he is shown to be even with Gohan. The only form that Cell was even with Gohan was in his Super Perfect form while Gohan was a SS2, while in all his other forms, he was either weaker or stronger than Gohan. Vegeta also complained that Gohan was too rusty & it was taking too long to finish the fight when it shouldn't, but neither him nor Goku make any mention about Gohan holding back SS2, or anything other than his rage boost. Rather, they talk as if Gohan is doing his best, and his best sucks due to his lack of training. Furthermore, Gohan doesn't have the SS hairstyle that he has before the 25th TB, but the exact same hairstyle he has against Kibito, where he was undoubtedly a SS2. Later, while trying to prevent Majin Boo's revival, Gohan powers up at full power but fails to get a rage boost, and he looks exactly like he did against Dabra: he has SS2 hairstyle, but no sparks (he also looked the same when he got angry on Spopovitch for almost killing Videl & when he trained with the Z-Sword). According to Kaioshin, in his fight with Boo, Gohan displayed power greater than he did against Kibito, where he was undoubtedly a SS2.

Now, this chapter shows that Dabra really is beyond regular SS level.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Keep in mind that we never actually saw Dabra's full power in the original work, Boo killed him before we got the chance. If you consider it an inconsistency, it's a soft one at best.
Not even once was it hinted that Dabra was holding back, and he was unable to do any damage to Gohan.
We can infer it from the standard DB Formula.

Remember also that neither party did significant damage, while Cell (Dabra's supposed equivalent) certainly could have.
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Post by Nejishiki » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:51 pm

Pannaliciour wrote:Do you think it is a Toei think? You know Black getting stronger and the joy of pain?
I can only shrug at the thought. We'll see when we get there. It doesn't lose any value being a "Toei thing" or a "Toyotaro thing" for me. As long as contradictions aren't made, exclusive details with either source are fair game, in my opinion.

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Post by Esfír Dedragón » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:58 pm

Yeah... uhmm... this is quite a mental twister for me. I'll explain down below soon.

I do like that they show how Trunks dealt with the alternate future variations of Babidi and Dabura. I still wish they (the writers) would have included the specific years in which all of this happened. Adding to that, it would have been interesting to see how Babidi collected all that energy during those ten years. I wouldn't have minded this part of the story to be a little bit longer.

It's obvious from day one that this "Goku Black" character is quite the anomaly. The motives between him and Zamasu are unique to Dragon Ball villains but we still don't really get a coherent origin story as to how he began to exist, especially in Future Trunks's Timeline. It is quite difficult to think of a good motive and manner without Goku & and co. being instigators as they were in the Main Timeline. One more thing: Goku Black killed all the gods? Wow. That's... quite the overkill. Too many questions... too many questions. :?

I REALLY hope they don't stick with some kind of half-baked Time Loop theory to explain Goku Black in the alternate future. Let's not even mention the other two timelines! :P
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Post by Nejishiki » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:03 pm

To be fair, the story proper only focuses on two timelines anyway. One of them is never referenced, as it isn't too important aside from keeping the rules consistent. The other is used only to explain why Cell is in the alternate present. It would surprise me if anything were done with the "expository timelines". There's a hint that another timeline is afoot based on Gowasu's comment concerning a new, green Time Ring, but I don't think I want to get into that now.

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:08 pm

Nejishiki wrote:To be fair, the story proper only focuses on two timelines anyway. One of them is never referenced, as it isn't too important aside from keeping the rules consistent. The other is used only to explain why Cell is in the alternate present. It would surprise me if anything were done with the "expository timelines". There's a hint that another timeline is afoot based on Gowasu's comment concerning a new, green Time Ring, but I don't think I want to get into that now.
I'm conflicted about that remark. Part of me thinks that the new ring was a result of Trunks' time machine, but in the show, he says that it happened a few years back, Trunks' hadn't used the time machine in about a decade. Then again, Kaioshin live for thousands and thousands of years, so ten years wouldn't be much for them.

Either way, we'll know in the coming months whether or not it's a red herring.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Sep 21, 2016 12:02 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, based on the manga (both the original & Super), I went & made a timeline briefly describing the events of Trunks' timeline, and Trunks' evolution of his battle power.

[spoiler]Age 764
Mecha Freeza & King Cold attack Earth. Goku returns & kills them. Goku later dies from a heart attack because of a virus.

Age 766
Trunks is born.

Age 767
Artificial Humans #17 & #18 begin their attack, killing Vegeta, Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaozu. Gohan is the sole survivor. Pilaf, Shu, and Mai gather the Dragon Balls to wish for youth, and turn into babies as a result, and thus the Shenlong grands his final wish shortly before Piccolo & Kami die.

Age 780
Trunks has begun training with Gohan, but even though he has turned into a Super Saiyan, Gohan can easily handle him with one arm without turning into a Super Saiyan. Gohan, who is at around the same level as Goku was before he died, dies in a battle with the Artificial Humans.

Age 783
Bulma completes the Time Machine. Trunks, who has reached the same level that Gohan was before his death, goes to the past at Age 764. Trunks returns, and 8 months later, he goes back to Age 767. Trunks returns & kills the Artificial Humans, having obtained power on par with Vegeta's at the Cell Games through his training inside the Room of Spirit and Time for 2 days in the past.

Age 784
Trunks trains with Kaioshin & Kibito using the Z-Sword, and obtains power greater than Super Saiyan Gohan's from the Cell Games. Dabra & Babidi attempt to revive Boo. Super Saiyan Trunks doesn't stand a chance against Dabra, but after Kibito gets killed by Dabra, Trunks finally becomes a Super Saiyan 2 and overpowers Dabra. Kaioshin assists Trunks to kill Dabra & Babidi, but eventually dies from his injuries, which kills the Hakaishin Beerus. Goku Black chooses Trunks' timeline to attack because Beerus, the most troublesome Hakaishin, is dead in this world. Trunks isn't satisfied with the power Super Saiyan 2 gave him, so he keeps training hard for the next years.

Age 786
Trunks prepares to go back to the past in order to inform his friends that he defeated the Artificial Humans, but as he expected, Cell appears to kill him & steal his time machine. Trunks easily kills Cell.

Age 795
Goku Black attacks Earth in order to eliminate the humans, after having eliminated all the Kaioshin from all other universes which killed all the Hakaishin, and after having eliminated the humans from countless other planets. Trunks is unable to defeat Black.

Age 796
Trunks founds Bulma dead from Black's hands. Trunks has trained to his outmost limits from ever since he returned from the past, but still can't stand a chance against Black. Having enough energy for a one-way trip with the Time Machine, Trunks goes back to Age 779 of the parallel world to get help from his friends after Mai seemingly dies to help him escape. At this point, Super Saiyan 2 Trunks is almost as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku.[/spoiler]
For starters, there's no set date for the battle with Dabra. Using Bobbidi's statement of "over 10 years" as only 10 years put the event in AGE 784, which is the same year Bluma first finished up the time machine (and some other problems mentioned further below).

Which leads to the second point, Cell was defeated in AGE 788 (the only year ever actually mentioned in the manga). Thus, everything else extrapolated from that are off too.

Herms' timeline stuff:
[spoiler]AGE 784
Bulma completes work on a time machine, which she hopes to use to save Earth from the androids. Though changing the past will merely create an alternate timeline and have no direct effect on their own world, Bulma hopes that by studying the androids in the past they may discover some weakness in them, or possibly they could bring Goku from the past into their own timeline and have him defeat the androids for them. If nothing else, Bulma wishes for there to be at least one peaceful timeline where the androids do not exist. She sends Trunks to Age 764, shortly before Goku returns to Earth from Namek, to warn him about the androids and give him medicine to cure the heart disease that led to his death in their own timeline. After Trunks returns, they begin waiting 8 months for the time machine to charge up enough energy for another round trip.
  • [Ref: Bulma’s motives are explained in Chapter 357 and Trunks: the Story. The year number I’ve used is from Daizenshuu 7’s alternate timeline explanation page. In Chapter 334 Trunks says he came from roughly 20 years in the future, but in Trunks: the Story Bulma says he’ll go 17 years into the past. Meanwhile the Trunks TV Special has Bulma tell him to go 20 years into the past. The 8 months it takes the time machine to charge is from Trunks: the Story, though Chapter 419 seems to imply it needs 3 years to charge rather than 8 months. I’ve ignored this.]
AGE 785
Now that the time machine has stored enough energy for another round trip, Trunks departs for Age 767 to help Goku and co. confront the androids. After returning to his own timeline, Trunks uses the strength he gained training in the Room of Spirit and Time to easily defeat the androids there. Having learned about Cell in the past, Trunks begins waiting three years for Cell to show himself.
  • [Ref: Year number is from Daizenshuu 7’s alternate timeline explanation page. Chapter 358 shows Cell as coming from 788, which Trunks says is 3 years further into the future than he himself came. Presumably during the 8 month charge time the year has changed from 784 to 785. In Chapter 363 Cell simply assumes the androids in his timeline were destroyed by Trunks.]
AGE 786
Cell completes his 24 years of development. However, the computer informs him that in order to reach his perfect form, he must absorb two specific life-forms: Androids No.17 and No.18. Cell begins looking for these androids.
  • [Ref: The date is from Cell’s Daizenshuu 7 bio. Cell mentions his 24 years of development in Chapter 363, though counting from that year (767) would mean Cell only finishes development in 791, despite the fact that he’s supposed to have come from 788. It’s all a bit knotty, but basically Daizenshuu 7 tries to fix this by counting the 24 years as starting in 762, when the first (known) cells for Cell are collected. This leaves a two year gap between when his development completes and when he uses Trunks’ time machine, but I guess he just wandered around looking for 17+18 during that time. If Cell was in the lab for a year after Trunks returned from his second trip to the past, then it’s not clear why Trunks in Timeline II waited 3 years for Cell to show himself, rather than just going to destroy Cell in Gero’s laboratory right away. Well, whatever.]
AGE 788
In the three years since the androids’ destruction, reconstruction of Earth society has advanced considerably. Unable to find Androids No.17 and No.18, Cell learns of Trunks’ time machine and attempts to kill Trunks and steal it. However, thanks to his trip into the past Trunks knows Cell is coming, and uses the strength he gained training in the Room of Spirit and Time to easily destroy him.
  • [Ref: These events are shown in DB Chapters 419-420 (DBZ 225-226). The date is from Daizenshuu 7’s alternate timeline explanation, and is based on Chapter 358 where Cell is said to have come from Age 788.]
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Here's a tinkered with version of your timeline. The Boo battle has been placed after Trunks kills Cell. He's said to be going back into the past to tell everyone he defeated the robits, so I imagine the Dabra material has to come after, or he would have given everyone a heads up. That's just who Trunks is.

For everything else,... Nothing in the manga suggests that we've moved beyond AGE 779 (which I honestly prefer), but I added a two year range to account for the anime's presumed placement just to be safe.

[spoiler]AGE 764
Mecha Freeza & King Cold attack Earth. Goku returns & kills them. Goku later dies from a heart attack because of a virus.

AGE 766
Trunks is born.

AGE 767
Artificial Humans #17 & #18 begin their attack, killing Vegeta, Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chaozu. Gohan is the sole survivor. Pilaf, Shu, and Mai gather the Dragon Balls to wish for youth, and turn into babies as a result, and thus the Shenlong grands his final wish shortly before Piccolo & Kami die.

AGE 780
Trunks has begun training with Gohan, but even though he has turned into a Super Saiyan, Gohan can easily handle him with one arm without turning into a Super Saiyan. Gohan, who is at around the same level as Goku was before he died, dies in a battle with the Artificial Humans.

AGE 784
Bulma completes work on a time machine. Trunks, who has reached the same level that Gohan was before his death, travels 20 years into the past, to AGE 764. Trunks returns after giving Goku his heart medicine and prepares for his return trip and 8 months later.

AGE 785
Now that the time machine has stored enough energy for another round trip, Trunks departs for AGE 767 to help Goku and company. Having obtained power on par with Vegeta's at the Cell Games through his training inside the Room of Spirit and Time for 2 days, Trunks returns & kills the Artificial Humans that plagued his timeline. Having learned about Cell in the past, Trunks begins waiting three years for Cell to show himself.

AGE 788
Trunks prepares to travel back to AGE 771 in order to inform his friends that he defeated the Artificial Humans, but as he expected, Cell appears to kill him & steal his time machine. Trunks easily kills Cell.

AGE 788-795
Trunks trains with Kaioshin & Kibito using the Z-Sword, and obtains power greater than Super Saiyan Gohan's from the Cell Games. Dabra & Babidi attempt to revive Boo. Super Saiyan Trunks doesn't stand a chance against Dabra, but after Kibito gets killed by Dabra, Trunks finally becomes a Super Saiyan 2 and overpowers Dabra. Kaioshin assists Trunks to kill Dabra & Babidi, but eventually dies from his injuries, which kills the Hakaishin Beerus. Goku Black chooses Trunks' timeline to attack because Beerus, the most troublesome Hakaishin, is dead in this world. Trunks isn't satisfied with the power Super Saiyan 2 gave him, so he keeps training hard for the next years.

AGE 795-797
Goku Black attacks Earth in order to eliminate the humans, after having eliminated all the Kaioshin from all other universes which killed all the Hakaishin, and after having eliminated the humans from countless other planets. Trunks is unable to defeat Black.

AGE 796-798
Trunks founds Bulma dead from Black's hands. Trunks has trained to his utmost limits from ever since he returned from the past, but still can't stand a chance against Black. Having enough energy for a one-way trip with the Time Machine, Trunks goes back to AGE 779-781 of the parallel world to get help from his friends after Mai seemingly dies to help him escape. At this point, Super Saiyan 2 Trunks is almost as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku.[/spoiler]
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
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Post by alakazam^ » Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:59 am

HeroR wrote:Until it's explained, it make no sense. Too many excuses of why someone can murder gods that basically boil down to, maybe they don't know or it's not their job.
You can't conclude that until the arc ends because it can still be addressed.

Yeah, so? Not being their job is a possible solution and them not telling Zen'ou is another one. They aren't excuses, unless you not bothering to come up with solutions is also one?

The anime ended up not talking about it so it's also possible this is just Toyotarou's take.

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Post by Xeogran » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:43 am

I'm late to the party, but Goku Black really killed all Gods of Destructions? Whaaaaaa

I assume he did it by destroying Kaioshins then? That's super weird regardless.

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Post by dbgtFO » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:44 am

My thoughts on this chapter:

It was great! Awesome we got a more fleshed out version of the Majin Buu Arc in Trunks' timeline, which is really something you have the anime for, but they would rather make a filler episode about Gohan. There's still time for the whole "Black kills all Kaioshin in Trunks' timeline", but I'm not getting my hopes up. So sub-par compared to the manga, I wish they had more time to improve it(lol, but then it might also have something to do with Toriyama's outline, when we don't know what exactly it says, it's hard to make conclusions, but I do know what I prefer.)
So the manga does not have Black follow Trunks, which just makes it interesting to find out, how it's going to play out.

I definitely think we're still going to see a paradox and the way it's going now makes me dislike the concept of the time rings, just slightly, as how I envision it in my head goes completely against how I think it should work, but let's see.

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Post by HeroR » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:39 am

alakazam^ wrote:
HeroR wrote:Until it's explained, it make no sense. Too many excuses of why someone can murder gods that basically boil down to, maybe they don't know or it's not their job.
You can't conclude that until the arc ends because it can still be addressed.

Yeah, so? Not being their job is a possible solution and them not telling Zen'ou is another one. They aren't excuses, unless you not bothering to come up with solutions is also one?

The anime ended up not talking about it so it's also possible this is just Toyotarou's take.
I don't care whose take it is. Them killing gods and it not alerting anyone simply doesn't make sense to me. If the gods are this apathetic, why bother killing most of them?
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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