This is just a quick mock up of what I think a design could look like.
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I know that there should probably be better colors, and I didn't get Toriyama's Kanzenban style exactly right, but this is something that I think is animation friendly and could work as a more Kanzenban styled Mob Psycho-ish anime design for Super. I know the people that probably dislike Toriyama's newer style think this looks gross, though.
Ajay wrote:Can we try and loop this back around to animation somehow?
Like, what designs are more fun/viable to animate, for example?
Toriyama's progression/regression as an artist is an entirely different thread in itself, so by all means create one dedicated to that!
I wanna keep things mostly on-topic here. I appreciate it's a slow week.
Huh, wasn't animation as a whole a balance between art and it's movement?
So, if we speak about a square moving all over the screen while the camera is following it that's animation right? (Just like the DVD's screensavers).
I really didn't know art wasn't never taking part of all the animation process, my bad
You're fine. You're talking about Toriyama's current (and regressive) art style. While that would be for an extremely interesting discussion and I would love for that to continue, it still needs to somehow tie with the animation (as per community's watertight rules). The subject of this discussion is still relevant if it's a part of the conversation about the animation. An example would be: Would Toriyama's current style work well with Dragon Ball Super or would the art style from Kanzenshuu do it justice? Things like that.
If you really wish to continue talking about solely Toriyama's art style itself, just make a new thread and hope there will be some really good posts in it.
To sort of bring things back on topic here, Ajay and I made a video together talking about the animation in the Battle of Gods arc. It's a long one, but might be interesting! We basically went episode by episode and talked a bit about who worked on what, standout moments, things like that.
Wezenheim wrote:To sort of bring things back on topic here, Ajay and I made a video together talking about the animation in the Battle of Gods arc. It's a long one, but might be interesting! We basically went episode by episode and talked a bit about who worked on what, standout moments, things like that.
Interesting listen. I agree 5 gets a bad reputation when it doesn't deserve too. Part B in that episode was fine. On the flipside something like Yamamuro's polish in 39 makes everyone forget about the mediocre that came before and follows, like immediately after Goku goes KK and starts punching Hit loads of times that looks really bad.
The stuff about Yashima does make feel bad lol. I already was more lean towards him infact don't think I commented much last episodes animation. Think he's fine for those types of episodes.
For the longest time I pronounced Tate like T8 too until I saw AA's video, heh!!
cuartas wrote:Huh, wasn't animation as a whole a balance between art and it's movement?
So, if we speak about a square moving all over the screen while the camera is following it that's animation right? (Just like the DVD's screensavers).
I really didn't know art wasn't never taking part of all the animation process, my bad
Art is absolutely a part of animation, it's why we were talking about character designs in the first place.
The conversation began by talking about how viable Toriyama's designs could be for the anime, but that devolved into simply talking about Toriyama's art in general.
As DragonBalllKaiHD said, all I'm asking is for the conversation to actually be relevant to the topic.
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Interesting listen. I agree 5 gets a bad reputation when it doesn't deserve too. Part B in that episode was fine. On the flipside something like Yamamuro's polish in 39 makes everyone forget about the mediocre that came before and follows, like immediately after Goku goes KK and starts punching Hit loads of times that looks really bad.
The stuff about Yashima does make feel bad lol. I already was more lean towards him infact don't think I commented much last episodes animation. Think he's fine for those types of episodes.
For the longest time I pronounced Tate like T8 too until I saw AA's video, heh!!
Glad you liked it!
Yeah, Yashima's an interesting one. I have a lot of respect for him even if I don't like his work very much. He just does so much and if nothing else I hope people can appreciate that about him! I should've talked a little bit about his storyboards too, that somehow slipped my mind. His contributions even go beyond just animation!
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Interesting listen. I agree 5 gets a bad reputation when it doesn't deserve too. Part B in that episode was fine. On the flipside something like Yamamuro's polish in 39 makes everyone forget about the mediocre that came before and follows, like immediately after Goku goes KK and starts punching Hit loads of times that looks really bad.
The stuff about Yashima does make feel bad lol. I already was more lean towards him infact don't think I commented much last episodes animation. Think he's fine for those types of episodes.
For the longest time I pronounced Tate like T8 too until I saw AA's video, heh!!
Glad you liked it!
Yeah, Yashima's an interesting one. I have a lot of respect for him even if I don't like his work very much. He just does so much and if nothing else I hope people can appreciate that about him! I should've talked a little bit about his storyboards too, that somehow slipped my mind. His contributions even go beyond just animation!
Looking forward to your dissection of the Freeza and U6 arc! It definitely helps when your talking about animation and then show the clips of what your talking about, really hope Toei don't take it down but you didn't use any audio so should be fine I think AA said that was what ultimately did him in his Tate video.
It's funny about Yashima I completely forgot he did the final episode of the Copy arc, recently watched it again with subs (originally just watched the stream) and I ended up liking it. Looking at his last three episodes I think Toei are starting to utilise him better now.
nite_jay wrote:This is just a quick mock up of what I think a design could look like.
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I know that there should probably be better colors, and I didn't get Toriyama's Kanzenban style exactly right, but this is something that I think is animation friendly and could work as a more Kanzenban styled Mob Psycho-ish anime design for Super. I know the people that probably dislike Toriyama's newer style think this looks gross, though.
Looks good man!
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
FortuneSSJ wrote:Can anyone tell me who drew this FT Trunks shot?!
Hard to say without looking at a staff list, but looking at the other animated scenes, I'm pretty confident that Takeo Ide is supervising again.
Somehow. He should be busy with Super!
From what I recall, most (if not all) of the animation for the first Xenoverse was done at TAP and then corrected by Ide afterwards. It's why everything was so janky.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
FortuneSSJ wrote:Can anyone tell me who drew this FT Trunks shot?!
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God, things like this always makes me wonder... Will we ever have an explanation about the blue hair?
Why even wonder? You have to know that we won't.
Toriyama's colorings of Trunks' hair have never been consistent.
But Toei's has. So it's kind of weird. Although I don't mind it too much.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
FortuneSSJ wrote:Can anyone tell me who drew this FT Trunks shot?!
Hard to say without looking at a staff list, but looking at the other animated scenes, I'm pretty confident that Takeo Ide is supervising again. Somehow. He should be busy with Super!
From what I recall, most (if not all) of the animation for the first Xenoverse was done at TAP and then corrected by Ide afterwards. It's why everything was so janky.
Thanks for the answer.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.
Favourite old DB Animators: Masaki Sato and Tadayoshi Yamamuro
Favourite new DB Animators: Yuya Takahashi and Chikashi Kubota
Is it me or is Super is picking up fast in terms of animation quality, the animation does not look, well , that robotic as it used to be. Although characters could still move more dynamically , it has come a long way since the BOG arc and ROF arc even in some parts of the U6 arc where movements were such a hinder to make the art more consistent. Glad that it is going to the right direction.
On the other note: Those here who are a Naruto fan must be hyped that Hiroyuki Yamashita is directing and supervising the final Naruto vs Sasuke fight , which is said to be the best quality of animation work in the series. Hiroyuki Yamashita https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXJEtdcRjK4
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