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Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:44 pm

MarCas92 wrote:Non-thread worthy but I never EVER seen anyone talk about it.

What the fuck is up with Kami sama at the 23rd Budokai when he says, humans have taught him a way of defeating Piccolo without dying and then goes on to use the Mafu-Ba? You know....THE ATTACK THAT KILLS THE USER?!?!?!
As per my interpretation, it only killed Roshi and Mutaito because Piccolo was so much more powerful than them. Since Kami was a lot closer in strength to Piccolo, it probably wouldn't kill him.
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Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

Post by Nejishiki » Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:59 pm

MarCas92 wrote:Non-thread worthy but I never EVER seen anyone talk about it.

What the fuck is up with Kami sama at the 23rd Budokai when he says, humans have taught him a way of defeating Piccolo without dying and then goes on to use the Mafu-Ba? You know....THE ATTACK THAT KILLS THE USER?!?!?!
It didn't kill Tenshinhan. He also practiced with it before attempting it properly. I figure that Roshi's understanding of ki control wasn't as advanced. The only ki blast he developed was the Kamehameha and his training never revolved around applying them with regularity. In other words, Crane School students who methodically hone their ki levels over their physical toughness, can manipulate the Mafuba to keep themselves from harm. Naturally, God can accomplish this, too. He's no slouch with ki management. A "regular human" would likely die as Roshi did attempting the technique. That's what I get out of it, at least. For the sake of completion, I'm aware he utilized ki in the 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai, but it was never his primary source of attacking. I'm just thinking that if he had gained additional familiarity with ki, he'd learn to survive it. Mutaito died from it himself and Roshi is likely imitating the way he understood it.

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Post by ABED » Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:03 pm

Of course he practiced it, but I don't think that has anything to do with him being more capable with ki or stronger than Roshi. I think we're meant to infer that it's not just the mafuba, but using it on a target is what saps a person's life force.
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Post by Nejishiki » Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:06 pm

That's likely, too. It's just at odds with what is said when both Tenshinhan and God survive it just fine. Turtle Hermit and Mutaito seem to be missing something. Rounding back to your life sapping comment, if it's tied to your ki, then you could say a high enough level could afford you the luxury of "spending" the Mafuba and surviving.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:00 am

Let's talk about Eevee going super saiyan god:
https://youtu.be/m8lfI66T5II?t=2m58s
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Post by Pantalones » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:23 am

Only a two-stage increase to each stat? That'd be more along the lines of the regular/2-times Kaio-ken than Super Saiyan God... though with the "Eevee evolutions showing up in a circle and sending energy into the Eevee" thing I see where you're seeing a resemblance. XD

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:06 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
MarCas92 wrote:Non-thread worthy but I never EVER seen anyone talk about it.

What the fuck is up with Kami sama at the 23rd Budokai when he says, humans have taught him a way of defeating Piccolo without dying and then goes on to use the Mafu-Ba? You know....THE ATTACK THAT KILLS THE USER?!?!?!
As per my interpretation, it only killed Roshi and Mutaito because Piccolo was so much more powerful than them. Since Kami was a lot closer in strength to Piccolo, it probably wouldn't kill him.
That was my guess. Once you become "strong enough" the Mafuba's / Evil Containment Wave's side effects are voided

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Post by Bagginses » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:34 am

I don't have the Boo saga volumes with me now, so I wanted to ask: does Bra exists in the MANGA? Was she a creation of TOEI or canon (i.e. Toriyama created her)?
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:36 am

Bagginses wrote:I don't have the Boo saga volumes with me now, so I wanted to ask: does Bra exists in the MANGA? Was she a creation of TOEI or canon (i.e. Toriyama created her)?
She's at the end of the manga.
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Post by Alruneia » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:21 am

Bagginses wrote:I don't have the Boo saga volumes with me now, so I wanted to ask: does Bra exists in the MANGA? Was she a creation of TOEI or canon (i.e. Toriyama created her)?
Yes, Bulla is canon. Last two chapters of the manga. She's a very minor character, so it's not weird that people forget.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:50 am

I find it hilarious how FUNi changed Goku saying he doesn't want to see Bulma's dirty butt to dirty fanny and then totally changed the conservation in the bath from Bulma has a butt on her chest to Bulma being jealous of not having a tail.

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Post by Bagginses » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:18 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Bagginses wrote:I don't have the Boo saga volumes with me now, so I wanted to ask: does Bra exists in the MANGA? Was she a creation of TOEI or canon (i.e. Toriyama created her)?
She's at the end of the manga.
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Bagginses wrote:I don't have the Boo saga volumes with me now, so I wanted to ask: does Bra exists in the MANGA? Was she a creation of TOEI or canon (i.e. Toriyama created her)?
Yes, Bulla is canon. Last two chapters of the manga. She's a very minor character, so it's not weird that people forget.
Good to know it's not just me then. :lol: Thank you for answering.

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Post by ChronoTwigger » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:48 pm

Did Bulma talk at least once to Ten Shin Han?

What characters exactly do for a living (despite the ones we know, like Krillin and Bulma)?
I mean... Piccolo live in a cave?
Vegeta is unemployed?
Yamcha still play baseball?
And what Oolong do?
Most of them lived by robbery, now that they're honest people, how they eat?
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Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:20 pm

Anyone else feel like opening a shotgun tasting business after talking to people on youtube about Dragon Ball related anything? Cause I sure do after getting into another canon debate.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:26 am

Why does every Kaioshin in every universe have to have a Mohawk when they are born? Can't they grow their own hairstyle as they please?

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Post by Doctor. » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:31 am

Lord Beerus wrote:Why does every Kaioshin in every universe have to have a Mohawk when they are born? Can't they grow their own hairstyle as they please?
Are you saying mohawks aren't the greatest hairstyle of all time?
ekrolo2 wrote:Anyone else feel like opening a shotgun tasting business after talking to people on youtube about Dragon Ball related anything? Cause I sure do after getting into another canon debate.
I don't touch Youtube comments anymore, but /a/ is pretty bad nowadays.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:40 am

Doctor. wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Why does every Kaioshin in every universe have to have a Mohawk when they are born? Can't they grow their own hairstyle as they please?
Are you saying mohawks aren't the greatest hairstyle of all time?
I have nothing against mohwaks, but... well... I always wanted to see a Kaioshin with an afro or dreadlocks or some other hairstyle, ya know. :P

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:43 am

Lord Beerus wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Why does every Kaioshin in every universe have to have a Mohawk when they are born? Can't they grow their own hairstyle as they please?
Are you saying mohawks aren't the greatest hairstyle of all time?
I have nothing against mohwaks, but... well... I always wanted to see a Kaioshin with an afro or dreadlocks or some other hairstyle, ya know. :P
Picturing Supreme Kai with dreadlocks just looks really really strange to me

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Post by ChronoTwigger » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:29 pm

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Lord Beerus wrote:
Doctor. wrote: Are you saying mohawks aren't the greatest hairstyle of all time?
I have nothing against mohwaks, but... well... I always wanted to see a Kaioshin with an afro or dreadlocks or some other hairstyle, ya know. :P
Picturing Supreme Kai with dreadlocks just looks really really strange to me
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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:27 pm

Sometimes I wonder if we analyze the story and characters more deeply than even Toriyama did. I mean, look, I have absolutely nothing against watching a kid's show as an adult (and if that's enough to qualify me as a nerd/dork, then I embrace that label without regret), but I wonder if Toriyama would find it weird to know that there's an entire forum revolving around adults from many different nationalities...analyzing a story that was meant for Japanese children.

As just one example, we write post after post and thread after thread about Goku's character...but I wonder if Toriyama simply approached the character with the attitude of, "He's not complicated, he just likes to fight and eat and that's that."

I don't know that I could necessarily make an entire thread out of this thought, but then again, that's why I posted it here. :lol:
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