"Dragon Ball XENOVERSE 2" Official Discussion Thread

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Wow, wouldn't have thought they were done dubbing it already. When's the game coming out again?

A couple months ago, Mr. Schemmel said they've been done for months. Also, October 25th (or 28th for PC).

Why does PC get it later? D:

Since devs primarily make video games for living room consoles, they usually take time to tweak the PC version to make sure that it runs without any hiccups.

[HeroR]

I still like to know why they chose Turles and Slug as the main movie villains working for Towa without mind-control. I don't recall either of being particularly popular, especially Slug whose movie is only remembered for the False Super Saiyan.

And I will never get the appeal of Time Breaker Bardock. Of all the powerful warriors, Towa choses some random low class Saiyans whose only notably contribution to history is being Goku's dad and getting killed personally by Freeza.

[Gyt Kaliba]

So just as a memory refresher, what are the pre-order bonuses for this game again? Just off the top of my head, I remember the early access to the Super version of Future Trunks, I believe Goku Black, and Mercenary Tao's pillar as a 'vehicle' item - was that it? I'm talking about stuff specifically in the game itself mind you, not stuff like the steelcase we had last time, or a figure, or anything like that. Also, is any of it dependent upon where you order it from?

[Anime Kitten]

And I will never get the appeal of Time Breaker Bardock. Of all the powerful warriors, Towa choses some random low class Saiyans whose only notably contribution to history is being Goku's dad and getting killed personally by Freeza.

Besides being arguably one of the most popular characters in the franchise, that's the point.

So just as a memory refresher, what are the pre-order bonuses for this game again? Just off the top of my head, I remember the early access to the Super version of Future Trunks, I believe Goku Black, and Mercenary Tao's pillar as a 'vehicle' item - was that it?

Yep, that's it.

[Nejishiki]

I respect the developers if it wasn't a popularity-based decision. I'll give the boring response and say we should wait and see what they ultimately do with them. The main thing I'm driving at is that variety is called for sometimes. The sequel is trying to deliver that in its story from the previews. If they're confident that they can do it with those characters playing their part, then all the power to them. It isn't fun being limited to choices. You might even like them more after this. I know I'm indifferent towards those two myself.

[HeroR]

And I will never get the appeal of Time Breaker Bardock. Of all the powerful warriors, Towa choses some random low class Saiyans whose only notably contribution to history is being Goku's dad and getting killed personally by Freeza.

Besides being arguably one of the most popular characters in the franchise, that's the point.

So just as a memory refresher, what are the pre-order bonuses for this game again? Just off the top of my head, I remember the early access to the Super version of Future Trunks, I believe Goku Black, and Mercenary Tao's pillar as a 'vehicle' item - was that it?

Yep, that's it.

Fan service doesn't make a good story unless it makes sense to the lore. I don't care how popular Bardock is among the fandom, Towa could have picked a number of people more powerful than him, and in the grand scheme of things, Bardock would barely count as a footnote. She could have chose Broly as her main slave. Legendary Super Saiyan, very powerful, was already broken under mind-control. I don't even care for Broly, but at least him being chosen as Towa's warrior makes sense.

I respect the developers if it wasn't a popularity-based decision. I'll give the boring response and say we should wait and see what they ultimately do with them. The main thing I'm driving at is that variety is called for sometimes. The sequel is trying to deliver that in its story from the previews. If they're confident that they can do it with those characters playing their part, then all the power to them. It isn't fun being limited to choices. You might even like them more after this. I know I'm indifferent towards those two myself.

My biggest issue with Turles is that they introduction him after Goku Black made his debut. Turles was a very shallow evil counterpart to Goku to begin with (he's basically Raditz mixed with some Vegeta and he happens to look like Goku for no good reason), but he looks even more shallow and dull when you compare him to Goku Black. As for Slug, I wished they just used King Piccolo instead of his subpar expy.

[Nejishiki]

Going by the story, all characters are fair game for jumps in power, so I don't think his initial battle power is an issue, in-game. Goku is still a benchmark for the Time Breakers, so there's your connection right there.

[HeroR]

Going by the story, all characters are fair game for jumps in power, so I don't think his initial battle power is an issue, in-game. Goku is still a benchmark for the Time Breakers, so there's your connection right there.

It isn't just about power. Bardock is literally nothing. He did nothing of noteworthy except die. As epic as his last stand was, it was all for nothing and he died a dog's death. Him having the same blood as Goku doesn't make him special.

[Nejishiki]

Yeah, I agree that he was a typical Saiyan. I was pointing towards the fact that his DNA may be vital for the Time Breaker's plans in place of Goku himself. It's likely to end up in failure if other portrayals of Time Breaker Bardock are anything to go by. I don't recall the quest stories of Dragon Ball Online too well, not that I expect for them to completely adapt their motivations there. I'm merely stating that choosing him isn't fruitless.

[Grimlock]

She could have chose Broly as her main slave. Legendary Super Saiyan, very powerful, was already broken under mind-control. I don't even care for Broly, but at least him being chosen as Towa's warrior makes sense.

No she couldn't, as Broly is not even a canon character (as you know, Dragon Ball Online follows the manga). But maybe Mira chose Bardock because of his bravery, he saw that Bardock was the only one fighting Freeza so maybe he decided to collect someone that is brave. Broly is far from being the Legendary Super Saiyan too.

[HeroR]

Yeah, I agree that he was a typical Saiyan. I was pointing towards the fact that his DNA may be vital for the Time Breaker's plans in place of Goku himself. It's likely to end up in failure if other portrayals of Time Breaker Bardock are anything to go by. I don't recall the quest stories of Dragon Ball Online too well, not that I expect for them to completely adapt their motivations there. I'm merely stating that choosing him isn't fruitless.

Towa's goal was always confusion. She has this obsession with Goku, but Online never really explained why. In Xenoverse, she had no special interest in Goku until he was fighting Fat Buu, then she wanted to drain his energy. I don't think they ever came up with a reason why Mira chose Bardock instead of one of Goku's super powerful hybrid sons. Can't be for history reasons since they are Time Breakers.

She could have chose Broly as her main slave. Legendary Super Saiyan, very powerful, was already broken under mind-control. I don't even care for Broly, but at least him being chosen as Towa's warrior makes sense.

No she couldn't, as Broly is not even a canon character (as you know, Dragon Ball Online follows the manga). But maybe Mira chose Bardock because of his bravery, he saw that Bardock was the only one fighting Freeza so maybe he decided to collect someone that is brave. Broly is far from being the Legendary Super Saiyan too.

Are we really debating 'canon' in a game that has Turles and Slug working for two characters who only exists in video games? Xenoverse isn't Online, it just take elements from it. And they're a bunch of brave and powerful warriors who made their mark on history. Bardock isn't one of them.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

She could have chose Broly as her main slave. Legendary Super Saiyan, very powerful, was already broken under mind-control. I don't even care for Broly, but at least him being chosen as Towa's warrior makes sense.

No she couldn't, as Broly is not even a canon character (as you know, Dragon Ball Online follows the manga). But maybe Mira chose Bardock because of his bravery, he saw that Bardock was the only one fighting Freeza so maybe he decided to collect someone that is brave. Broly is far from being the Legendary Super Saiyan too.

We're also forgetting that, at least by the DB Heroes timeline, Bardock has achieved SS3. That makes him impressive in my book. I'm willing to bet that it'll be the same in Xenoverse.

[HeroR]

We're also forgetting that, at least by the DB Heroes timeline, Bardock has achieved SS3. That makes him impressive in my book. I'm willing to bet that it'll be the same in Xenoverse.

Heroes gave almost every Saiyan in existence Super Saiyan 3. So that isn't impressive going by Heroes.

[Grimlock]

Are we really debating 'canon' in a game that has Turles and Slug working for two characters who only exists in video games? Xenoverse isn't Online, it just take elements from it. And they're a bunch of brave and powerful warriors who made their mark on history. Bardock isn't one of them.

I left omitted because I thought it was obvious, but if Dragon Ball Online follows the manga and Xenoverse is based on Online, then obviously somewhere in the middle of all of this they would take Bardock to fulfill his role once again. Switching Bardock to someone else is going against what was already proposed (years ago). None other character could be in Bardock's place, he's the one meant to be there, as Online stated.

The key-word, as you said, is taking elements. And one of these elements, is Bardock being the one chosen by Mira...

[Jinzoningen MULE]

We're also forgetting that, at least by the DB Heroes timeline, Bardock has achieved SS3. That makes him impressive in my book. I'm willing to bet that it'll be the same in Xenoverse.

Heroes gave almost every Saiyan in existence Super Saiyan 3. So that isn't impressive going by Heroes.

Fair point, but this version of Bardock is straight from Heroes, so my other points stand.

[HeroR]

Are we really debating 'canon' in a game that has Turles and Slug working for two characters who only exists in video games? Xenoverse isn't Online, it just take elements from it. And they're a bunch of brave and powerful warriors who made their mark on history. Bardock isn't one of them.

I left omitted because I thought it was obvious, but if Dragon Ball Online follows the manga and Xenoverse is based on Online, then obviously in the middle of this basement they would take Bardock to fulfill his role once again. Switching Bardock to someone else is going against what was already proposed (years ago). None other character could be in Bardock's place, he's the one meant to be there, as Online stated.

Xenoverse have some elements from Online, but it isn't Online. The game developers even say as much since they want Xenoverse to be its own entity. And given that Trunks turning Super Saiyan from Gohan's death while it's raining is clearly based on History of Trunks, and not the manga chapter, this argument that Xenoverse follows the manga falls apart.

Broly is in Xenoverse, so there is no reason why Broly or any other character that is not Bardock, can't be saved and brainwashed to be Towa's personal slave. Especially some no-named Saiyan who did nothing noteworthy except die.

[Anime Kitten]

Fan service doesn't make a good story unless it makes sense to the lore.

Funny that you say this during the current events of Super. To our knowledge, they're only making it for the money, so why not do the same for games?

[Grimlock]

Xenoverse have some elements from Online, but it isn't Online. The game developers even say as much since they want Xenoverse to be its own entity. And given that Trunks turning Super Saiyan from Gohan's death while it's raining is clearly based on History of Trunks, and not the manga chapter, this argument that Xenoverse follows the manga falls apart.

Broly is in Xenoverse, so there is no reason why Broly or any other character that is not Bardock, can't be saved and brainwashed to be Towa's personal slave. Especially some no-named Saiyan who did nothing noteworthy except die.

Isn't Online because it adds what Online would avoid, just this. Yeah but being its own thing doesn't mean switching a character of his destined role, this is just altering a thing but based on what was already used.
I don't know where you came from with that argument, I never said Xenoverse is based on the manga, I said it is based on Online.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Fan service doesn't make a good story unless it makes sense to the lore.

Funny that you say this during the current events of Super. To our knowledge, they're only making it for the money, so why not do the same for games?

It's a corporation, everything is for the money. The trick is how well they keep up the illusion of caring, and how well they tell the story.

[HeroR]

Fan service doesn't make a good story unless it makes sense to the lore.

Funny that you say this during the current events of Super. To our knowledge, they're only making it for the money, so why not do the same for games?

Read the bolded. Future Trunks returning does makes sense given what is happening to his timeline. Time Breaker Bardock makes no sense for reasons I have already named. Every product that ever existed, exists to make money, and even then Super exists because Toriyama started to care about his series again. Time Breaker Bardock exists because people like him and are willing to believe that he's special, although he really isn't.

Isn't Online because it adds what Online would avoid, just this. Yeah but being its own thing doesn't mean switching a character of his destined role, this is just altering a thing but based on what was already used.
I don't know where you came from with that argument, I never said Xenoverse is based on the manga, I said it is based on Online.

Xenoverse only has elements from Online. A lot of Online's lore isn't even in Xenoverse. And why can't it switch characters' 'destines', especially since it was Bardock's destine to die at Freeza's hand. I don't care if Time Breaker Bardock existed in Online because it never made sense there either, because Bardock is just a low class Saiyan who did nothing special until he died, and even that amounted to nothing in the long run.