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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:59 pm

That's not what I had trouble with. A Kindergartener could understand it.
A translation/adaption should concern itself with being consistent and faithful rather than judge or question the choices of the original work. And if Viz decided to go with Gogeta for both, that's not what they would be doing.
Forget about Viz, this isn't about the manga. It's not even about the original work.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:04 pm

ABED wrote:That's not what I had trouble with. A Kindergartener could understand it.
A translation/adaption should concern itself with being consistent and faithful rather than judge or question the choices of the original work. And if Viz decided to go with Gogeta for both, that's not what they would be doing.
Forget about Viz, this isn't about the manga. It's not even about the original work.
This whole conversation was about Viz from the beginning.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Just thought of a real unpopular opinion of mine.

Given that Viz chose to romanize Goku's Saiyan name as Kakkarot, Vegerot was the correct way for them to amalgamate the two names.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:08 pm

In light of recent news...
I'm just about completely satisfied with the Xenoverse 2 roster right now. My only gripe is no Base Tween Gohan, which is another unpopular opinion in and of itself.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:11 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:In light of recent news...
I'm just about completely satisfied with the Xenoverse 2 roster right now. My only gripe is no Base Tween Gohan.
I feel strange talking about these games, since I can't justify spending any money to play them.

That being said, I'm pretty neutral, since I'd just play with my own character anyway.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by rereboy » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:16 pm

ABED wrote:Forget about Viz, this isn't about the manga. It's not even about the original work.
Viz is relevant, perhaps even more relevant since he was talking about Viz, even if you weren't, and at least a great deal of the discussion from the start was about Viz.
That's not what I had trouble with. A Kindergartener could understand it.
Well, I tend to think that no one is so "good" that he/she can't possibly make a mistake, misunderstand something or fail to understand something (even if it's not really complex). I've had plenty of brain farts and I've seen plenty of very smart people being incredibly stupid, so why would I? In the same way, I wouldn't imply that someone was at kindergarden level if he/she failed to understand the logic behind something like that at first.

And, just saying, maybe you shouldn't presume people are doing that to you. I mean, instead you could have just asked why I was explaining to you how Vegerot and Vegetto work when you were actually talking about the anime and the use of Vegito, and I would respond that I thought you were talking about Vegerot/Vegetto and you were misunderstanding it. That way, things would have been clarified sooner and there wouldn't have been a need for any spirited response... Anyway, just saying. Like I said, I don't take internet talk seriously and in any case, this back and forth has lasted long enough and the issue doesn't even matter.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by kinisking » Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:25 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:In light of recent news...
I'm just about completely satisfied with the Xenoverse 2 roster right now. My only gripe is no Base Tween Gohan, which is another unpopular opinion in and of itself.
I don't understand why they don't have base form. Seems ridiculous.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:06 pm

kinisking wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:In light of recent news...
I'm just about completely satisfied with the Xenoverse 2 roster right now. My only gripe is no Base Tween Gohan, which is another unpopular opinion in and of itself.
I don't understand why they don't have base form. Seems ridiculous.
Just the standard corner-cutting that the Japanese devs are so well-known for.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:21 pm

This whole conversation was about Viz from the beginning.
Not the one between us. I said the dub should just use Gogeta. I was clear that it was about the dub. It would make no sense that I bring up Vegito when Viz doesn't use that name or spelling.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by kinisking » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:32 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
kinisking wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:In light of recent news...
I'm just about completely satisfied with the Xenoverse 2 roster right now. My only gripe is no Base Tween Gohan, which is another unpopular opinion in and of itself.
I don't understand why they don't have base form. Seems ridiculous.
Just the standard corner-cutting that the Japanese devs are so well-known for.
It just seems weird though. I mean the base form is basically just a recolor of his super saiyan hair. Shoudln't be too hard to put in.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:33 pm

Filler or not, the Gohan VS Vegeta fight during the end of the Goku VS Freeza fight was unnecessary. (Unpopular because it's never spoken of.)
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:35 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:Filler or not, the Gohan VS Vegeta fight during the end of the Goku VS Freeza fight was unnecessary. (Unpopular because it's never spoken of.)
Thought it was hilarious how Vegeta is back in the next scene, and everyone acts like it didn't happen.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by kinisking » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:36 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:Filler or not, the Gohan VS Vegeta fight during the end of the Goku VS Freeza fight was unnecessary. (Unpopular because it's never spoken of.)
Why not? It honestly seems in character for both of them. Although it's weird as hell that Gohan's completely fine with him in like the next episode.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:41 pm

kinisking wrote:Why not? It honestly seems in character for both of them. Although it's weird as hell that Gohan's completely fine with him in like the next episode.
The same reason I dislike Androids Saga Vegeta's personality; he learned nothing from being killed by Freeza.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by kinisking » Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:33 pm

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kinisking wrote:Why not? It honestly seems in character for both of them. Although it's weird as hell that Gohan's completely fine with him in like the next episode.
The same reason I dislike Androids Saga Vegeta's personality; he learned nothing from being killed by Freeza.
Fair enough. I always liked that filler though. Vegeta backing away from gohan because of Piccolo was well done and gave Piccolo some badass points.

Also my own unpopular opinion. Yamcha, Gohan, and ESPECIALLY krillin jokes are boring, repetitive, and rarely fair to the character. Also surprised that there aren't more vegeta jokes.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:55 pm

kinisking wrote:Yamcha, Gohan, and ESPECIALLY krillin jokes are boring, repetitive, and rarely fair to the character.
Eh, I get a good laugh from them. The Goku, Freeza, Broly, etc jokes aren't fair to them either, but they're still enjoyable IMO. Doesn't mean I have to hate on the character or anything.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by kinisking » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:30 am

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kinisking wrote:Yamcha, Gohan, and ESPECIALLY krillin jokes are boring, repetitive, and rarely fair to the character.
Eh, I get a good laugh from them. The Goku, Freeza, Broly, etc jokes aren't fair to them either, but they're still enjoyable IMO. Doesn't mean I have to hate on the character or anything.
I'm sorry but what Freeza, Broly jokes? And also you're talking about the Goku as a father one right? At least that has a lot of truth to it. But even then most of the Goku, krillin, Gohan and Yamcha jokes are really similar so it isn't even remotely funny anymore. Krillin jokes imo are also the least fair. I mean piccolo has died pretty much the same amount of times at this point. If you're not going to be fair, at least be funny. But they aren't a lot of the time.
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Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by rereboy » Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:34 am

Humor is never about fairness. It's always at the expense of something, whether it's a situation, a coincidence, a person, a character, etc.

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Post by Cetra » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:27 am

rereboy wrote:Humor is never about fairness. It's always at the expense of something, whether it's a situation, a coincidence, a person, a character, etc.
According to Dr. Dr. Sheldon Lee Cooper it is funny if it is true.:D
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:19 am

rereboy wrote:Humor is never about fairness. It's always at the expense of something, whether it's a situation, a coincidence, a person, a character, etc.
Sure, humor undercuts things, but I think his point about fairness is he's not deserving of being undercut to the extent that he is. If someone is going to laugh at Kuririn for dying a lot, how come he's singled out and Piccolo isn't?
The same reason I dislike Androids Saga Vegeta's personality; he learned nothing from being killed by Freeza.
It wasn't a learning moment. It was live by the sword, die by the sword. Vegeta progressed, just not in the way you had hoped. I liked his development. It was slow, but made sense.
Although it's weird as hell that Gohan's completely fine with him in like the next episode.
Vegeta flew away at the end of the previous episode, but is curiously leaning on a tree in the very next. I get that in order to get the episodes animated in time to air, the episodes had to be farmed out to different animators, but it seems like even the writing was farmed out and the left hand not talking to the right.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:05 am

Are we really conversing about the ethicacy of making fun of certain fictional characters?
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