The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Noah]

Base Goku (GT) VS First Form Frieza (Resurrection 'F')

Freeza very easily. GT goku did nothing to put him infinitely above SS3 gotenks. So, its obvious.

And where is stated that First Form Freeza is already above SS3 Gotenks?

[Hugo Boss]

Base Goku (GT) VS First Form Frieza (Resurrection 'F')

Freeza very easily. GT goku did nothing to put him infinitely above SS3 gotenks. So, its obvious.

And where is stated that First Form Freeza is already above SS3 Gotenks?

This form of Freeza is implied to be stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan and some people think he was stronger than SS3 Gotenks. That's speculation, though.

[Alruneia]

1) GT Bulla vs. Towa. (No Spear Staff and Dark Magic whatsoever.)

I have to assume Towa's pure strength has at least some substance. GT Bulla, however, is most likely weak (though we never get any indication of her strength). Towa probably wins.

2) Super Saiyan GT Bulla vs. Future Android 18. (Both at equal power to Super Saiyan God Goku and their place of battle is on the Sacred World of the Supreme Kais.)

What you're asking here is essentially who has the better techniques. GT Bulla has not been shown to have any techniques. She has one if you want to count flight while possessed by Baby. Future 18 has been shown to have techniques. Therefore, the android wins.

6) Super Saiyan GT Trunks (with Brave Sword equipped) vs Xeno Dabura (with his Darkness Sword equipped). (In nothing but a traditional sword duel to the death.)

I want to see this duel now. I have no idea who'd win, though.

7) Super Saiyan GT Trunks (with Brave Sword equipped), Future Trunks Saga Super Saiyan Future Trunks (with his restored Brave Sword equipped), and Super Saiyan GT Bulla vs. Goku Black. (With the evil doppelganger of Goku not being able to gain strength from receiving damage and any help from Future Zamasu.)

This one comes down to a matter of writing. Black, especially Rosé Black, are so much stronger than the team of Vegeta's kids you've set up. However, judging from Future Trunks' performance against Rosé Black in Super (not dying), there might be a way for the three of them to trick Black into showing some sort of weakness. Present Trunks and Bulla are pretty much useless in the fight other than for strategy, though. They're comparable to Gohan and Krillin when Goku fought Frieza.

Just a sort of PS: I believe that Bulla is the greatest half-saiyan prodigy yet due to her being a demi-goddess, but GT obviously does not reflect this, since it was made before God and Blue were. So I can only guess GT Bulla's power and potential, and my guess isn't very high for either. Honestly I think EoZ (post-God) Bulla would fare better than GT Bulla.

[hellobooboo14]

If Ssj4 Gogeta [from GT] learned about Whis training method in super and trained inside the RoSat [same way as Vegeta did], if he turned into Ssj4 bluper, how far will Ssj4 bluper Gogeta make it up the top tier tree which consists of fighters across all universes [including that Grand Priest]?

[apex_pretador]

Base Goku (GT) VS First Form Frieza (Resurrection 'F')

Freeza very easily. GT goku did nothing to put him infinitely above SS3 gotenks. So, its obvious.

And where is stated that First Form Freeza is already above SS3 Gotenks?

Oh, wait first form freeza, my mistake I thought it was final form.

Anyways, he was stronger than SS Gohan who was stronger than or as strong as piccolo in base. Base goku in GT was stronger than SS gohan in baby arc , whose base was slightly weaker than SS Goten.
However, since there is no reason to believe that Goten even as adult is on the level of piccolo, I will go with freeza but in a really close fight.

This form of Freeza is implied to be stronger than Super Saiyan Gohan and some people think he was stronger than SS3 Gotenks. That's speculation, though.

No he's not stronger than gotenks, see above, my mistake for thinking it was final form F.

[In Brightest Day]

A few fights:

- Android #19 vs. SSJ Future Son Gohan.
- Krillin (22nd Budokai) vs. Yamcha (22nd Budokai).
- Nappa and Raditz vs. Freeza's army (Resurrection F).
- Piccolo (Tree of Might) vs. Vegeta (Saiyan arc).
- Videl (25th Budokai) vs. Panpoot.


Who is the strongest character teenage Bebi (during his fight with Goten) can defeat in the original Manga?

[apex_pretador]

A few fights:

- Android #19 vs. SSJ Future Son Gohan.
- Krillin (22nd Budokai) vs. Yamcha (22nd Budokai).
- Nappa and Raditz vs. Freeza's army (Resurrection F).
- Piccolo (Tree of Might) vs. Vegeta (Saiyan arc).
- Videl (25th Budokai) vs. Panpoot.


Who is the strongest character teenage Bebi (during his fight with Goten) can defeat in the original Manga?

Gohan will eventually catch on the energy absorption and tear #19 apart with hands.

Krillin. While Yamcha had better ki control, krillin has much better raw power and battle smarts.

Nappa doesn't know the ability to form moon ball, so the army wins by overwhelming.

Piccolo. He is a better fighte, and will know to cut off tail rather sooner.

Pamput completely obliterates her with as little as a tap.

[Hugo Boss]

Anyways, he was stronger than SS Gohan who was stronger than or as strong as piccolo in base. Base goku in GT was stronger than SS gohan in baby arc , whose base was slightly weaker than SS Goten.
However, since there is no reason to believe that Goten even as adult is on the level of piccolo, I will go with freeza but in a really close fight.

So, do you think GT Gohan is weaker than RF Gohan? I thought GT Gohan still kept on his training and could maintain Super Saiyan with no problem, which could mean he is the strongest.

[DanielSSJ]

A few fights:

- Android #19 vs. SSJ Future Son Gohan.
- Krillin (22nd Budokai) vs. Yamcha (22nd Budokai).
- Nappa and Raditz vs. Freeza's army (Resurrection F).
- Piccolo (Tree of Might) vs. Vegeta (Saiyan arc).
- Videl (25th Budokai) vs. Panpoot.


Who is the strongest character teenage Bebi (during his fight with Goten) can defeat in the original Manga?

- Future Gohan has a fairly large power advantage, but if he tries any Ki blasts, that advantage could easily flip on its head. Even so, I'll give him credit and say that he will come out on top.
- The two are practically even (as said by Kuririn himself), but Yamcha has more practice with the Kamehameha, whereas Kuririn's is a hastily-learned Kamehameha without much power. Not a deal breaker, but I'd say that Yamcha has the advantage. Yamcha wins 6 out of 10 times.
- Nappa and Raditz are all stronger than the bulk of Freeza's wimpy and out-of-shape goons, but I doubt that they'd be able to fend of the full 1,000 of them, unless if Nappa or Raditz could do that same False Moon trick that Vegeta can do and transform into Great Apes, in which case they win without breaking a sweat.
- The two are of exactly even power levels, though Piccolo has a wider range of abilities (Makankosappo, stretchy arms, giant form, Ki sensing and suppression, etc.), and Vegeta is likely to underestimate someone who isn't a Saiyan or one of Freeza's stronger subordinates. On the other hand, as a Saiyan, Vegeta probably has a bit of a physical strength advantage and is durable as hell. Unless Vegeta creates a fake moon and goes Ozaru, I can't really say that either one has a distinct advantage over the other.
- It's a pain to compare the regular martial artists of early Dragon Ball to the ones from late Dragon Ball. Panpoot, looked pretty strong for a normal guy, given he could smash a brick wall with a punch and I don't think I've ever seen such a feat from Videl. On the other hand, she can at least fly and may have some other Ki based skills under her belt. Eh. sorry Videl, come back when you can casually smash solid stone with your bare hands and we'll talk.

- Logically Goten hasn't gotten any stronger from Z, and Baby would, therefor, be hard pressed to beat Cell's lower forms or even the Androids. GT Logic: Goten and every other Saiyan are Ultimate Gohan tier without transforming, despite Goten and Trunks never training, and Baby, as a GT character can easily beat anyone with the exception of Vegetto, who is too awesome to fall prey to the GT effect.

Krillin. While Yamcha had better ki control, krillin has much better raw power and battle smarts.

Really? Because I remember Kuririn saying that he and Yamcha were the same strength.

Chapter: 122, P13.3-7
Kame-sennin: “Panput was truly a fearsomely skilled master, but only when seen from an ordinary level…To your eyes, however, he didn’t look like anything special…That shows just how much you two have acquired strength that surpasses the ordinary.”
Kuririn: “But…Yamcha lost, and he was about as good as me. And even I had a really tough fight against that runt.”
Kame-sennin: “There’s no helping that. It’s because your opponents were also super masters who have surpassed the ordinary.”

[apex_pretador]

Krillin. While Yamcha had better ki control, krillin has much better raw power and battle smarts.

Really? Because I remember Kuririn saying that he and Yamcha were the same strength.

Chapter: 122, P13.3-7
Kame-sennin: “Panput was truly a fearsomely skilled master, but only when seen from an ordinary level…To your eyes, however, he didn’t look like anything special…That shows just how much you two have acquired strength that surpasses the ordinary.”
Kuririn: “But…Yamcha lost, and he was about as good as me. And even I had a really tough fight against that runt.”
Kame-sennin: “There’s no helping that. It’s because your opponents were also super masters who have surpassed the ordinary.”

Yeah I know he said that, but considering that krillin gave a nearly all out goku better fight than Yamcha to a barely trying tenshinhan (Ok, more than barely trying, but still taking it easy).Tien also believed that if Yamcha was the strongest, then Chiaotzu could beat others easily.

[DanielSSJ]

Yeah I know he said that, but considering that krillin gave a nearly all out goku better fight than Yamcha to a barely trying tenshinhan (Ok, more than barely trying, but still taking it easy).Tien also believed that if Yamcha was the strongest, then Chiaotzu could beat others easily.

Goku wasn't going all out against Kuririn. He was still using his "tournament power" and doesn't actually go all out until he starts using his "combat power" against Tenshinhan.

[Hellspawn28]

Who is the strongest character General Rilldo can defeat in the original Manga?

His base form would probably put him above Fat Buu, Grey Buu and Kid Buu but somewhere between Super Buu. Goku mention during his fight with Rildo that he was not using his full power before he transform. Sigma Rildo is likely above Super Buu and is somewhere between Super Buu's other forms. Metallica Rildo is likely above Buuhan, but below Vegito. He beats Buuhan but loses Vegito in my opinion.

[apex_pretador]

Yeah I know he said that, but considering that krillin gave a nearly all out goku better fight than Yamcha to a barely trying tenshinhan (Ok, more than barely trying, but still taking it easy).Tien also believed that if Yamcha was the strongest, then Chiaotzu could beat others easily.

Goku wasn't going all out against Kuririn. He was still using his "tournament power" and doesn't actually go all out until he starts using his "combat power" against Tenshinhan.

You missed that^^

[DanielSSJ]

You missed that^^

He wasn't going nearly all out either. He had a whole level of power stashed away that he wasn't using until Tenshinhan forced it out of him.

[apex_pretador]

You missed that^^

He wasn't going nearly all out either. He had a whole level of power stashed away that he wasn't using until Tenshinhan forced it out of him.

How about "he was going more all out then tien was"?

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) Majin Van Zatt vs. Mecha Frieza.

2) Majin Smitty vs. Restrained Super Saiyan Broly.

3) Majin Mr. Shu vs. Lord Slug (Youth Restored).

4) Masked Saiyan vs. Black-Masked Saiyan.

[Hellspawn28]

Young Piccolo Daimao vs. Sea King from One Punch Man
Speed of Sound Sonic vs. Tao Pai Pai

Who wins?

[Lord Beerus]

Young Piccolo Daimao vs. Sea King from One Punch Man

Sea King gets watsted. Young King Piccolo is strong enough to destroy the moon with little effort. Sea King hasn't got any feats to match that in any remoted

Speed of Sound Sonic vs. Tao Pai Pai

Don't know.

[Khin]

Young Piccolo Daimao vs. Sea King from One Punch Man
Speed of Sound Sonic vs. Tao Pai Pai

Who wins?

• Putting Roshi's moon-busting feat aside, Piccolo Daimao is around City Level. Sea King is on the same category given that he's a Demon-level threat, but I still give this to Piccolo.
• Tao dies horribly. WoG states Sonic could have beaten Sea King in their fight if he had his ninja weapons.

[Sandubadear]

Young Piccolo Daimao vs. Sea King from One Punch Man
Speed of Sound Sonic vs. Tao Pai Pai

Who wins?

Assuming this is full power Sea King (after it starts raining), then Sea King easily. If it's regular Sea King, still him by a small margin.

Sonic wins easily.