Ki. Ki and Chong. Kitah. Kieap. Ki.

Epsilon Grey · Post by **Epsilon Grey** » Tue May 04, 2004 4:17 pm

Enough with the wordplay. On to the foreplay!

The Z-universe has its characters use ki, which in turn makes them super fast, strong, and powerful. Ki is energy, right? So what increases this energy? The humans obviously plateau because their bodies cannot generate enough ki, but the Saiyans transform their bodies and are thus able to have and use more ki.

Any theories as to how this infernal energy works, and how they are able to generate so darn much of it?

--EG

tablet the eunuch · Post by **tablet the eunuch** » Wed May 05, 2004 8:24 pm

A Physics of DBZ forum post Never goes well my son.

Just assume it's fantasy beyond scientific reasoning and be happy

Epsilon Grey · Post by **Epsilon Grey** » Wed May 05, 2004 8:32 pm

Well, my son, neither does a hole in your head.

But I suppose your right. Leave it up to the imagination and all that. Fairy dust and dreams.

--EG

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Wed May 05, 2004 9:58 pm

It can't really be explained, because it's not real.

Epsilon Grey · Post by **Epsilon Grey** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:41 pm

Yes, well, that's never stopped us before. Plenty of rousing arguments and discussions over this and that.

ex. Power levels being non-linear.

http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=168

http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=266

http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=202

Here are some other threads dealing with this non-existant stuff being explained.

So there.

--EG

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:44 pm

Yes, we could debate and theorize until we're blue in the face, but since the ever increasing ki was basically just a plot device, we probably wouln't come to any other real conclusion.

Epsilon Grey · Post by **Epsilon Grey** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:51 pm

Agreed.

It is interesting, though, that ki does exist. I doubt we'll ever be able to fly, but, it'd be nice to be able to focus our energy to the point where we can break through walls. Of concrete. Thick concrete.

--EG

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Wed May 05, 2004 10:53 pm

Epsilon Grey wrote:Agreed.

It is interesting, though, that ki does exist. I doubt we'll ever be able to fly, but, it'd be nice to be able to focus our energy to the point where we can break through walls. Of concrete. Thick concrete.

--EG

I don't know about that, but I've seen monks do amazing things by supposedly utilizing their ki. Stuff like breaking metal over their heads and such.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu May 06, 2004 9:45 pm

We've seen martial arts competitions on ESPN where fifteen blocks of concrete were bashed in by a guy's forehead so...

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Thu May 06, 2004 9:54 pm

And, my friend keeps claiming he's seen people fight Neji / Hinata style (That would mean knocking each other across the room and doing crazy things with what seems to be weak slaps). Whatever, right?

There was also that topic where just two people argued about ki strength and such for pages and pages before coming to the conclusion that ki is just magic. Hurray for that.

Post by **TripleRach** » Fri May 07, 2004 12:39 am

I have a theory.

Ki is more than just energy. It's the body's life force. The more powerful a body is, the more ki they'll have. (To add a sense of realism to it, you could say that a stronger person would be healthier, and more full of life, as opposed to a frail, dying person.) So, just training your body, or attaining some sort of power up, would increase your ki.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Fri May 07, 2004 12:43 am

TripleRach wrote:I have a theory.

Ki is more than just energy. It's the body's life force. The more powerful a body is, the more ki they'll have. (To add a sense of realism to it, you could say that a stronger person would be healthier, and more full of life, as opposed to a frail, dying person.) So, just training your body, or attaining some sort of power up, would increase your ki.

Heh, I've been using that theory since 8th grade. Like about.. 5 years ago?

Heh.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Fri May 07, 2004 2:02 am

TripleRach wrote:I have a theory.

Ki is more than just energy. It's the body's life force. The more powerful a body is, the more ki they'll have. (To add a sense of realism to it, you could say that a stronger person would be healthier, and more full of life, as opposed to a frail, dying person.) So, just training your body, or attaining some sort of power up, would increase your ki.

That's not just theory, it's scientif fact. Scientists know that the human body generates heat and energy, argueably that's the same thing as Chi.

Epsilon Grey · Post by **Epsilon Grey** » Fri May 07, 2004 2:07 am

That's not just theory, it's scientif fact. Scientists know that the human body generates heat and energy, argueably that's the same thing as Chi.

Indeed. The universe is filled with energy, it is just in different states. If I could somehow turn my bodies potential energy into kinetic energy, externally, and control it, well, I'd be unstoppable. I think.

--EG

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Fri May 07, 2004 2:15 am

Epsilon Grey wrote:Indeed. The universe is filled with energy, it is just in different states. If I could somehow turn my bodies potential energy into kinetic energy, externally, and control it, well, I'd be unstoppable. I think.

That's very simple. Fall over backwards. You have now converted your potential energy into kinetic energy.

Are you unstoppable yet?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri May 07, 2004 2:31 am

I know of frail elderly martial artists that have still continued to demonstrate immense power, so just saying the stronger the body is, the more powerful doesn't hold up. It's the controlling of the "ki" that is the most important. That's why someone like Tenshinhan, who was much. muck weaker than Cell was able to hold him back with his Kikoho.

Epsilon Grey · Post by **Epsilon Grey** » Fri May 07, 2004 2:32 am

In suppose I could have frased that better.

If we could control our energy so that it is not turned into motion, or used by our normal body processes, that would be cool. Granted, I don't see how that is possible. What is more likely is focusing that energy internally and being able to strike harder or move faster. As I am about to do to James for his sass.

My name is James too, punk. I say we draw blades for it.

Awesome.

--EG

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Fri May 07, 2004 2:47 am

Jerseymilk wrote:I know of frail elderly martial artists that have still continued to demonstrate immense power, so just saying the stronger the body is, the more powerful doesn't hold up.

What kind of immense power?

Epsilon Grey wrote:If we could control our energy so that it is not turned into motion, or used by our normal body processes, that would be cool. Granted, I don't see how that is possible. What is more likely is focusing that energy internally and being able to strike harder or move faster.

I suspect that increasing the number of mitochondria per cell would improve the rate of cellular respiration. This would also provide a corresponding benefit in strength and endurance. I'm not sure of any way to specifically channel biochemical energy.

I wouldn't mind being able to shoot a Kamehameha, though.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Fri May 07, 2004 2:53 am

Epsilon Grey wrote:
That's not just theory, it's scientif fact. Scientists know that the human body generates heat and energy, argueably that's the same thing as Chi.
Indeed. The universe is filled with energy, it is just in different states. If I could somehow turn my bodies potential energy into kinetic energy, externally, and control it, well, I'd be unstoppable. I think.

--EG

Don't worry, I'd stop you.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Fri May 07, 2004 3:05 am

James R. Cadwell wrote:
Jerseymilk wrote:I know of frail elderly martial artists that have still continued to demonstrate immense power, so just saying the stronger the body is, the more powerful doesn't hold up.
What kind of immense power?

Epsilon Grey wrote:If we could control our energy so that it is not turned into motion, or used by our normal body processes, that would be cool. Granted, I don't see how that is possible. What is more likely is focusing that energy internally and being able to strike harder or move faster.
I suspect that increasing the number of mitochondria per cell would improve the rate of cellular respiration. This would also provide a corresponding benefit in strength and endurance. I'm not sure of any way to specifically channel biochemical energy.

I wouldn't mind being able to shoot a Kamehameha, though.

@_@ I have a question, sir. What, exactly, is your profession? Scientist, college student..?