Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by nite_jay » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:22 pm

LightBing wrote:Episode #57 (#11)
Future Zamasu - 14 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for an important fight, +6 for his immortality) *
Vegeta - 9 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances, +6 for helping to save Goku and Trunks)
Future Trunks - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for an important fight) **
Goku Black - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for an important fight) *
Son Goku - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for an important fight) **
Future Yajirobe - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 points for helping to save Goku and Trunks) *
Future Mai - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 points for helping to save Goku and Trunks) *
Present Bulma - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Present Zamasu - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Gowasu - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Zuno - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Present Trunks - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Shu - 1 point
Pilaf - 1 point
Present Mai - 1 point
Hit - 1 point

Notes:
- First, how much is worth saving Goku and Trunks? Should it be devalued because it was divided by many? Like you can see, I think it deserves the maximum points across the board. Let me know your thoughts guys/girls.
- Zamasu's immortality, I putted it in the same category as Black's ability.

Dwellings and Tendencies:
Future Mai talk about being important wasn't a smokescreen, she just overcame Beerus and Present Bulma. Right ahead of her is Whis but after him it's the big boys!
Like expected, Future Zamasu is quickly rising in the ranks.

Current Tiers:
Tier 0 (Spotlight Characters)
Future Trunks
Goku
Goku Black

Tier 1 (Main Characters)
Vegeta

Tier 2 (Secondary Characters)
From Whis until Present Zamasu

Tier 3 (Supporting Characters)
From Kuririn until Future Yajirobe

Tier 4 (Tertiary Characters)
The rest, mostly one timers.
Hit was in episode 57?! :wtf:

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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by LightBing » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:38 pm

nite_jay wrote:Hit was in episode 57?! :wtf:
He was in the Godtube. :wink:

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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by nite_jay » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:49 pm

LightBing wrote:
nite_jay wrote:Hit was in episode 57?! :wtf:
He was in the Godtube. :wink:
How could I have forgotten that... :lol:

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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by Nejishiki » Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:07 pm

The story for Future Trunks, Goku, and Vegeta ends without Future Mai and Future Yajirobe. They deserve their major contribution bonuses for continuing the path of others. I would think attempting and failing to save them would account for major points, as well.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:20 am

They definitely get the points for this, since we can assume Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks will continue to be relevant.
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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by LightBing » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:53 pm

Episode #58 (#12)
Zuno - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for his role in this episode) *
Kaioshin - 5 points (+2 for appearing, +3 for informing everyone about Zamasu "adventures")
Present Zamasu - 5 points (+2 for appearing, 3 points for threatening Zuno) *
Future Trunks - 3 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances)
Son Goku - 3 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearances)
Vegeta - 2 points (+2 for appearing)*
Whis - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Future Mai - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Present Bulma - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Beerus - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Present Trunks - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Shu - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Pilaf - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Present Mai - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Gowasu - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Future Yajirobe - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **

Notes:
- This was a hard one. There's was a lot of theories flying around and we didn't even confirm if Present Zamasu did anything besides threaten Zuno. I prefer to hold on and wait to see where this goes, before giving massive points. That's why I held back and only gave Zamasu 3 points for searching for the information. Like always, I would love to hear everyone's opinions.
- The exception to the above is Zuno, his role is unique and deserves maximum points. Even if the immortality doesn't get much traction, Zuno made the plot happen in this instance.

Dwellings and Tendencies:
Not much to say. Present Zamasu climbs a bit to get closer to a more respectful placement. Kaioshin gets up a tier. I also predict Goku to steal Black's second place in the next few episodes.

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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:56 pm

I think Vegeta will gain a lot of points in the next couple episodes too. He'll probably stay #4, but what with those new episode titles, I'd say he might go up a considerable amount.
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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by LightBing » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:02 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:I think Vegeta will gain a lot of points in the next couple episodes too. He'll probably stay #4, but what with those new episode titles, I'd say he might go up a considerable amount.
I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even appear in the next episode while Present Zamasu, Beerus and Whis gain a bunch of points. He might have a hard time keeping his 4th.
For some reason, it appears the writers want to keep Vegeta away from Present Zamasu, which cuts him from an important part of the arc. I wonder if it's a coincidence, or if it becomes relevant later on. :think:

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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:04 pm

LightBing wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even appear in the next episode while Present Zamasu, Beerus and Whis gain a bunch of points. He might have a hard time keeping his 4th.
From the NEP, looks like Goku might fight Present Zamasu again as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if he gains a bit too.
LightBing wrote:For some reason, it appears the writers want to keep Vegeta away from Present Zamasu, which cuts him from an important part of the arc. I wonder if it's a coincidence, or if it becomes relevant later on. :think:
Huh. You're right, I didn't notice that. Just like how Goten is being left out.
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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by LightBing » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:25 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:Huh. You're right, I didn't notice that. Just like how Goten is being left out.
I wouldn't put both in the same category. Goten is being left out the same way Kuririn or Piccolo or Chi-Chi are; they just aren't relevant. His only contribution would be to be part of the kids group.
They likely don't want to add unnecessary work to Ms. Nozawa.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:36 pm

LightBing wrote:They likely don't want to add unnecessary work to Ms. Nozawa.
I suppose so. Still, I get the feeling it must be plot-relevant since I'd think he would at least be there, even without lines.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:06 am

Beerus and Whis gained a few points from the latest episode, I reckon. Whis prevented Gowasu from being killed using his Time-Rewind ability and Beerus disintegrated Zamasu.

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Post by LightBing » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:51 am

Lord Beerus wrote:Beerus and Whis gained a few points from the latest episode, I reckon. Whis prevented Gowasu from being killed using his Time-Rewind ability and Beerus disintegrated Zamasu.
I'll likely give both maximum points. I'll update with the episode as soon as decent subs appear.

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Post by kinisking » Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:47 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
LightBing wrote:They likely don't want to add unnecessary work to Ms. Nozawa.
I suppose so. Still, I get the feeling it must be plot-relevant since I'd think he would at least be there, even without lines.
People thought the same about Gohan in the Champa arc. The picture at the end of the opening gives me hope though..

Also, what would Vegeta not meeting Zamasu add? He's seen him in the future timeline.
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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by Anime Kitten » Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:01 pm

kinisking wrote:Also, what would Vegeta not meeting Zamasu add? He's seen him in the future timeline.
Forgot about that. But still, it doesn't matter now after what happened to Zamasu.
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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by LightBing » Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:48 pm

Episode #59 (#13)
Whis - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for his role in Zamasu's demise) *
Beerus - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for killing Zamasu) *
Present Zamasu - 8 points (+2 for appearing, +6 for his actions) **
Present Trunks - 5 points (+2 for appearing, +3 for helping his future self) **
Future Mai - 3 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearance)
Future Yajirobe - 3 points (+2 for appearing, +1 for consecutive appearance)
Present Bulma - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Future Zamasu - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Shu - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Pilaf - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Present Mai - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Gowasu - 2 points (+2 for appearing) **
Kaioshin - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Future Trunks - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Goku Black - 2 points (+2 for appearing)
Son Goku - 2 points (+2 for appearing) *
Vegeta - 1 points **

Notes:
- Whis, Beerus and Present Zamasu's points shouldn't cause any discussion. Their importance is in plain sight.
- I decided to give a few of points to Present Trunks "snap out of it" moment. He clearly influenced his future self, who's at this point the most influential character in the whole arc. Thoughts?
- Gowasu, Goku and Kaioshin didn't do anything. Victim and observers, I don't think they deserve points since they didn't affect the events of the episode.

Dwellings and Tendencies:
Whis and Beerus greatly benefited from this episode. Whis is now only one point behind Vegeta. That should change in the next episodes, Vegeta will likely come on top for the fight for 4th, after all fighting is very important in Dragon Ball.
Meanwhile Future Mai keeps gathering points and might have something to say in the fight for 5th place. A pleasant surprise.

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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by Anime Kitten » Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:53 pm

LightBing wrote:I decided to give a few of points to Present Trunks "snap out of it" moment. He clearly influenced his future self, who's at this point the most influential character in the whole arc. Thoughts?
Well deserved, I'd say. If it ends up not paying off at the end of the arc, you can always subtract them, but I can see it being very influential in the coming episodes.
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Post by Nejishiki » Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:59 pm

Kaioshin was innocent of direct action, but he did serve as an "official witness" to verify Beerus' punishment. The Hakaishin excessively concerned himself with confirming Zamasu's actions, even with future testimony. Now, I don't know if that's deserving of points myself, but it's something to think about.

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Post by LightBing » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:21 pm

Nejishiki wrote:Kaioshin was innocent of direct action, but he did serve as an "official witness" to verify Beerus' punishment. The Hakaishin excessively concerned himself with confirming Zamasu's actions, even with future testimony. Now, I don't know if that's deserving of points myself, but it's something to think about.
There was no mention of any need for witnesses. Beerus and Whis explained why they acted the way they did, it was pretty straightforward. The only need of proof was the glove, to confirm to Gowasu his pupil intentions.
Kaioshin was just as oblivious as Goku and his presence was never given any meaning, besides a tag along.
Even if a witness was necessary, I think Whis would be more than enough. Him not kneeling in front of Zeno-chan points towards a higher status than Kaioshin, in case there's any "godly politics" in play.
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LightBing wrote:I decided to give a few of points to Present Trunks "snap out of it" moment. He clearly influenced his future self, who's at this point the most influential character in the whole arc. Thoughts?
Well deserved, I'd say. If it ends up not paying off at the end of the arc, you can always subtract them, but I can see it being very influential in the coming episodes.
Future Trunks words in the episode already confirm a pay off. My doubt was if it was important enough to be deserving of points.

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Re: Future Trunks Arc: Characters Influence Rankings

Post by LightBing » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:11 pm

Episode #60 (#14)
Goku Black - 11 points (+2 points for appearing, +3 for minor fight with Vegeta, +6 for revealing his origin)
Vegeta - 9 points (+2 points for appearing, +1 point for consecutive appearances, +3 for minor fight with Black, +3 for going to the future)
Future Trunks - 8 points (+2 points for appearing, +3 points for going to the future, +3 for saving Mai) **
Present Bulma - 6 points (+2 points for appearing, +1 point for consecutive appearances, +3 for going to the future)
Son Goku - 5 points (+2 points for appearing, +3 points for going to the future) **
Present Trunks - 3 points (+2 points for appearing, +1 point for consecutive appearances)
Shu - 3 points (+2 points for appearing, +1 point for consecutive appearances)
Pilaf - 3 points (+2 points for appearing, +1 point for consecutive appearances)
Whis - 2 points (+2 points for appearing) **
Beerus - 2 points (+2 points for appearing) **
Present Mai - 2 points (+2 points for appearing, +1 point for consecutive appearances)
Future Mai - 2 points (+2 points for appearing) *
Future Zamasu - 2 points (+2 points for appearing) *
Future Yajirobe - 2 points (+2 points for appearing) *

Notes:
- I almost didn't count Vegeta's and Black's little exchange. I looked back at what I did in the previous episodes and I always gave points for these type of fights. I continued my tendency.
- Saving Mai... Who gets points for that? Does anyone even? This moment is isolated, only Mai appears injured, it almost completely ignores why she got injured - another conflict with Black - and its apparent to me it's an excuse for a moment with Trunks. The only relevance to the plot I can think of is the use of one senzu bean, since Trunks specify's there's only four left now.
Of course a life is saved, even if the tension/importance is completely removed from the scene, so in the end I gave the points to Future Trunks.

Dwellings and Tendencies:
Not much to say, Bulma overcomes Future Mai to become the #1 female ranked character in a respectable 7th place, without even throwing a single punch! She also creeps closer to Beerus and Whis.
Goku Black is now three points behind Future Trunks. If it turns out Black and Present Zamasu are the same person, it will mean I'll have to join together their points. Meaning Black would very likely get first place in this ranking, when the arc is over.

Would you guys/girls be interested in me making this same ranking for the manga?
It feels like the anime has a fair share of unnecessary plot aka filler, while the manga is straight to the point.

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