"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Chelentano]

So watching the anime it looks like Whis uses his time rewind ability, but it seems like the manga specifically stated something that makes me think it won't be used in the manga. Thoughts?

I would appreciate if you don't bring anime spoilers to the manga topic in the future. Thank you.

[Nejishiki]

I don't know, that sounds needlessly pedantic. I didn't misinterpret the fan-translation that way (I would probably blame reading the original text first). I'm not sure how you extrapolated an explanation like that. The meat of the phrasing, that Whis cannot reverse time after using it once, was expressed. Nothing about a specific time, especially one where he can't use it at the immediate moment, was gathered from that translation. I suppose it doesn't matter now, but the fan-translation, for all of its faults, is being unfairly picked upon for something it didn't err in.

[TheMikado]

So watching the anime it looks like Whis uses his time rewind ability, but it seems like the manga specifically stated something that makes me think it won't be used in the manga. Thoughts?

I would appreciate if you don't bring anime spoilers to the manga topic in the future. Thank you.

Would it be a problem if I said Vegeta used a final flash in an episode. I didn't specify how or why and it was brought up as it seemed to contradict a specific panel that was translated in the manga. Specifics Whis saying he "can't use it for a good while now".

Just want some clarification. Hermes states the meaning isn't the same as what we are given in the translated panels. I'm just curious if Whis literally can't use it in the manga or not.

[TheMikado]

I don't know, that sounds needlessly pedantic. I didn't misinterpret the fan-translation that way. I'm not sure how you extrapolated an explanation like that. The meat of the phrasing, that Whis cannot reverse time after using it once, was expressed. Nothing about a specific time, especially one where he can't use it at the immediate moment, was gathered from that translation. I suppose it doesn't matter now, but the fan-translation, for all of its faults, is being unfairly picked upon for something it didn't err in.

The panel specifically says

" I won't have it available to use it for a good while now"

I'm not sure what that translation is supposed to be to mean other than I don't have it available now and for a good while in the future.

[Nejishiki]

I'm sure it can be construed that way by itself. Altogether, in context, the entire subject of the conversation relates to why he can't use it consecutively. As I said prior, it's a non-issue now, but it felt picked apart as a single sentence instead of an overall thought.

[Chelentano]

Would it be a problem if I said Vegeta used a final flash in an episode. I didn't specify how or why and it was brought up as it seemed to contradict a specific panel that was translated in the manga. Specifics Whis saying he "can't use it for a good while now".

That wouldn't be a problem. Story Wise it's not the same to say that certain character used a normal technique that say the time was reversed (probably because something big happened).

[saiyanvegetable]

The last chapter reminded me why I still bother with Super at all. Makes the anime seem like a fan adaptation on youtube.

[TheMikado]

The last chapter reminded me why I still bother with Super at all. Makes the anime seem like a fan adaptation on youtube.

I'm glad it's not just me

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

The last chapter reminded me why I still bother with Super at all. Makes the anime seem like a fan adaptation on youtube.

Could you explain how and why exactly?

[kinisking]

The last chapter reminded me why I still bother with Super at all. Makes the anime seem like a fan adaptation on youtube.

Could you explain how and why exactly?

He's dead set on hating the anime. FFS the anime isn't bad at all. Episodes like 56 and 57 are masterpieces in my eyes.

[TheMikado]

The last chapter reminded me why I still bother with Super at all. Makes the anime seem like a fan adaptation on youtube.

Could you explain how and why exactly?

He's dead set on hating the anime. FFS the anime isn't bad at all. Episodes like 56 and 57 are masterpieces in my eyes.

The levels of meaningful tension or development are sorely lacking. Watching characters develop via their adversity is a core aspect of DBZ and has been missing in its successor. The tension, stakes, and resulting consequences in Super pale in comparison to the manga let alone anything like this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6r9FbnW4r_A

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hcT-Ned6N1g

[ryou766]

The last chapter reminded me why I still bother with Super at all. Makes the anime seem like a fan adaptation on youtube.

I agree. The manga feels like a proper successor to Z imo.

This
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shouldn't be compared to this.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The last chapter reminded me why I still bother with Super at all. Makes the anime seem like a fan adaptation on youtube.

I agree. The manga feels like a proper successor to Z imo.

This
[spoiler][/spoiler]

shouldn't be compared to this.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Totally different processes of drawing, so I guess you're right in the fact that they shouldn't be compared, they're apples and oranges.

[TheMikado]

The last chapter reminded me why I still bother with Super at all. Makes the anime seem like a fan adaptation on youtube.

I agree. The manga feels like a proper successor to Z imo.

This
[spoiler][/spoiler]

shouldn't be compared to this.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Totally different processes of drawing, so I guess you're right in the fact that they shouldn't be compared, they're apples and oranges.

The problem is it doesn't even compare to this:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Super often feels like DBZ lite. Which depending on your personal tastes will give different levels of enjoyment.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

What´s exactly you guys are trying to compare with a bunch of still screenshots We can´t read your minds.

[Patrolman Jaco]

Huh, so Toyotaro did end up showing Future Trunks version of the Majin arc and surprise, surprise it was better than the anime version. He even cleared up that Future Elder Kaioshin in the Z sword issue that people were complaining about. The fact that a rushed monthly manga delivers and elaborates on information more competently than a long running weekly anime will never not be funny to me.

Really cool visual transition between the different timelines with the CC restaurant and cat, keeping up the parallels that were present earlier in the arc.
Again Toyotaro's characterization of Goku supersedes Toei's version. Goku was able to introduce Beerus and Whis to Trunks like a normal person, unlike the anime where he needed Whis to remind him to greet Zamasu and even then he "introduced" himself like he was selling newspapers.

Great fight between Zamasu and Kitbto good fight choreography as always. I really hope Toyotaro can do better with Zamasu's character, he came across as a bad JRPG villain in the anime.

[saiyanvegetable]

The last chapter reminded me why I still bother with Super at all. Makes the anime seem like a fan adaptation on youtube.

Could you explain how and why exactly?

He's dead set on hating the anime. FFS the anime isn't bad at all. Episodes like 56 and 57 are masterpieces in my eyes.

I'm not "dead set" on hating the anime. I could talk about how almost every piece of "character development" is forced, rushed, and poorly executed in the anime, or how Zamasu is such an utterly boring character and complete waste of what could have been the best villain since Frieza, how the art is absolutely abysmal, the soundtrack continues to baffle me, and I won't even mention the actual animation. It's one of the worst shows I've seen a long time dragonball or not, and I don't know if its just because how Toei is handling it or because it seems that Shounen anime in general seems to be heading downhill. But then I'll just get hordes of people going "Yeah well, hey, that's just like, your opinion, man!"

The manga on the other hand, seems to pace everything at a better speed, characters still act like themselves, and while it's not Shakespeare it's still an enjoyable read. How Trunks handled Babidi was so well done in the manga and had Z continued or if there was a TV special I could absolutely see it happening within the universe. In Super we got some half assed explanation with some half assed frames in addition to Goku being a half assed retard.

[kinisking]

Could you explain how and why exactly?

He's dead set on hating the anime. FFS the anime isn't bad at all. Episodes like 56 and 57 are masterpieces in my eyes.

I'm not "dead set" on hating the anime. I could talk about how almost every piece of "character development" is forced, rushed, and poorly executed in the anime, or how Zamasu is such an utterly boring character and complete waste of what could have been the best villain since Frieza, how the art is absolutely abysmal, the soundtrack continues to baffle me, and I won't even mention the actual animation. It's one of the worst shows I've seen a long time dragonball or not, and I don't know if its just because how Toei is handling it or because it seems that Shounen anime in general seems to be heading downhill. But then I'll just get hordes of people going "Yeah well, hey, that's just like, your opinion, man!"

The manga on the other hand, seems to pace everything at a better speed, characters still act like themselves, and while it's not Shakespeare it's still an enjoyable read. How Trunks handled Babidi was so well done in the manga and had Z continued or if there was a TV special I could absolutely see it happening within the universe. In Super we got some half assed explanation with some half assed frames in addition to Goku being a half assed retard.

How is zamasu any more interesting in the manga? All characters besides for Goku act completelyloke themselves. How is the art abysmal nowadays? Yes, there are off frames but I think we've reached a level where the art is just as on model as Z. The soundtrack isn't pretty great this arc. Although it's up to opinion, I can't see how it'd worse than other soundtracks in anime. Also, again animation has reached a good level. Episode 57 had some of the best animation in the franchise.

Although dabura was done better, not much else has. We didn't get bulmas death in the manga, it keeps copying panels from Z, goku black's introduction simply wasn't as dramatic, trunks seems less emotional.

[TheMikado]

What´s exactly you guys are trying to compare with a bunch of still screenshots We can´t read your minds.

I think it was a comparison of artsytles. The traditional method is noticeable more intense where as the dram from Super seems a bit watered down like we are looking at a chibi Trunks power up.

How is zamasu any more interesting in the manga? All characters besides for Goku act completelyloke themselves. How is the art abysmal nowadays? Yes, there are off frames but I think we've reached a level where the art is just as on model as Z. The soundtrack isn't pretty great this arc. Although it's up to opinion, I can't see how it'd worse than other soundtracks in anime. Also, again animation has reached a good level. Episode 57 had some of the best animation in the franchise.

Although dabura was done better, not much else has. We didn't get bulmas death in the manga, it keeps copying panels from Z, goku black's introduction simply wasn't as dramatic, trunks seems less emotional.

We could do a full in depth analysis, but it's really the characters and being more reminiscent of how we last remember them prior to this series.

[Lord Beerus]

After re-reading the chapter, I've just realised something, Goku Black is kind off an idiot. I mean, he was watching over Future Trunks, Supreme Kai, and Kibito battling Babidi and Dabra and he didn't think to kill Future Trunks after he had finished off Dabra? Seriously, why the hell didn't Goku Black atomise Future Trunks there and then? It would have saved him so much trouble. I think Goku Black grasped the idiot ball hard in that moment.