"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[UpFromTheSkies]

Maybe Zamasu also used the Super Dragon Balls to make copies of himself so he could be in multiple places at once, then body swapped one of his copies with Goku.

Also if the Super Dragon Balls can do anything, why didn't he just wish for all mortals to disappear? It would have been so much easier.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Also if the Super Dragon Balls can do anything, why didn't he just wish for all mortals to disappear? It would have been so much easier.

Probably not near as fun that way. Especially not when he'd probably want to personally take care of anyone like Goku and the gang, who 'dare' to have powers anywhere near that of the Gods in the first place.

That and cuz we wouldn't have a story if he did that.

[Anime Kitten]

If the Super Dragon Balls can do anything, why didn't he just wish for all mortals to disappear? It would have been so much easier.

I'd assume they would explain it. If it's a "plot hole," then I'd just wait and see. The arc's obviously not over yet, so it's probably the best solution to let them explain it.

[HeroR]

Quoting myself from another forum:

[spoiler]Even with the spoiler, there are several things that doesn't line up, which is why is why I was never onboard the Black = Zamasu.

The first being, why would Zamasu take Goku's name, instead of just calling himself Zamasu. Future Zamasu have no problem going around, so it can't be because he doesn't want people to know. I guess it could be so they don't confused themselves, but even that makes little sense, since why would he introduced himself to a bunch of strangers as Son Goku?

Second, we have seen with Ginyu that moves are not transferable between bodies. I guess he could have knowledge of Goku's moveset from the Super Dragon Balls, but then you wonder why is he using the Instant Transmission instead of Instant Movement. It is heavily implied that Zamasu knows Instant Movement since he was able to go between U10 and 17 in the span of a morning. Not possible unless he can teleport or he's super fast like Whis.

The why? Why would believe it would be key to take Goku's body over immorality and why would he later say he doesn't want it, otherwise he will grow soft. Zamasu has never shown himself to be a blood knight who enjoys fighting and his thinking is closer to Goku's way of thinking.

The amount of respect he shows Goku, doesn't match how Zamasu sees Goku. Zamasu showed nothing but contempt for Goku, which we see in Future Zamasu. Yet, Black praises Goku and even tells him to rejoice when he achieved his Super Saiyan Rose form since this is the height of his beauty.

This opens up far more questions, but I am sure a lot will be cleared up in the next episode. However, I don't think it is as simple as Zamasu stealing Goku's body.[/spoiler]

[LightBing]

The summary doesn't tell us the details, which is what will make this whole deal interesting or not. I'll refrain from giving any opinions until we have the whole story.
Beerus information last episode, the existence of two Zamasu's in the future(one being Black), actually makes the reveal more exciting because of all the interrogations.
Can't wait for the episode!

[UpFromTheSkies]

The fact that Beerus said multiple Zamasu's couldn't exist in different timelines makes me think they're probably copies made with the Super Dragon Balls, and the immortal Zamasu is the original which is why he's in charge of the others. After Black is defeated, they'll probably have to hunt down Zamasu's copies across all the 12 universes.

[Hellspawn28]

Whatever happens in Goku's timeline does not mean anything for the other timelines. They killed Cell in Goku's timeline, but Cell still exist in Trunks timeline.

[Lujin_16]

The fact that Beerus said multiple Zamasu's couldn't exist in different timelines makes me think they're probably copies made with the Super Dragon Balls, and the immortal Zamasu is the original which is why he's in charge of the others. After Black is defeated, they'll probably have to hunt down Zamasu's copies across all the 12 universes.

Reminds me of the movie Jet li The One lol if you have seen it...

[HeroR]

The fact that Beerus said multiple Zamasu's couldn't exist in different timelines makes me think they're probably copies made with the Super Dragon Balls, and the immortal Zamasu is the original which is why he's in charge of the others. After Black is defeated, they'll probably have to hunt down Zamasu's copies across all the 12 universes.

[spoiler]How? Zamasu only learned about the Super Dragon Balls because of the tournament between U6 and U7, which only happened because of the events of BOG. Unless the unseen timeline has the same events that leads to BOG, which is a big what if given all the other changes in that timeline, Zamasu should not know about the Super Dragon Balls.[/spoiler]

Whatever happens in Goku's timeline does not mean anything for the other timelines. They killed Cell in Goku's timeline, but Cell still exist in Trunks timeline.

Beerus already addressed this. This is 'mortal' logic according to him, and Whis never counter him on it.

[vashter]

I'm starting to picture this

History 1: Present where all Goku and gang are.. cell came in time line and died, kill buu, zamasu who probably made a wish then died by beeerus.. until saturday.

History 2: Trunks Timeline.. everyone is wipe Trunks goes back in 1#.. warn them and clean it up goes back in his future and kill android + cell at ease (Goku is dead)

Histroy 3: Cell timeline... everyone is wipe including trunks cell came to 1#.. (Goku is dead)

History 4: I have NO idea what happened in 4#

History 5: Unseen timeline... Zamasu make a wish to get goku body transfer his mind and body into goku body... while goku body and mind is in zamasu and then black escape to Trunk timeline, LEARN the fact trunk can time travel to 1#..

I hope this clear and it really fack up.

Plus Trunk even said that black wasn't even surprise when he saw the SSB meaning BLACK must have saw that shit somewhere

[HeroR]

I'm starting to picture this

History 1: Present where all Goku and gang are.. cell came in time line and died, kill buu, zamasu who probably made a wish then died by beeerus.. until saturday.

History 2: Trunks Timeline.. everyone is wipe Trunks goes back in 1#.. warn them and clean it up goes back in his future and kill android + cell at ease (Goku is dead)

Histroy 3: Cell timeline... everyone is wipe including trunks cell came to 1#.. (Goku is dead)

History 4: I have NO idea what happened in 4#

History 5: Unseen timeline... Zamasu make a wish to get goku body transfer his mind and body into goku body... while goku body and mind is in zamasu and then black escape to Trunk timeline, LEARN the fact trunk can time travel to 1#..

I hope this clear and it really fack up.

Plus Trunk even said that black wasn't even surprise when he saw the SSB meaning BLACK must have saw that shit somewhere

[spoiler]A Zamasu who never met Goku wouldn't asked for Goku's body. Present Zamasu became obsessed with Goku after losing to him in a sparring match.[/spoiler]

[jjgp1112]

Guess I'll stop using Spoilers...

I'm looking forward to see how this whole Zamasu is Black (kinda) thing plays out before I pass judgment.

This is the approach I'm taking as well. There's no reason to start hating on Toei (Mr. Toriyama, actually) because we should've seen this coming already, ever since that scan that gave us our first insight into Zamasu.

Especially considering we know absolutely nothing of the circumstances and are literally just going off of 1 sentence of info.

[vashter]

[spoiler]A Zamasu who never met Goku wouldn't asked for Goku's body. Present Zamasu became obsessed with Goku after losing to him in a sparring match.[/spoiler]

I'm going stop right there, the person who never ask for goku body is from future I bet, and obsessed is the one who got goku body.

[HeroR]

[spoiler]A Zamasu who never met Goku wouldn't asked for Goku's body. Present Zamasu became obsessed with Goku after losing to him in a sparring match.[/spoiler]

I'm going stop right there, the person whoever ask for goku body is from future I bet, and obsessed is the one who got goku body.

[spoiler]But why would Zamasu be obsessed over a person he never fought or met to the point of switching bodies? This is a big wish to make over someone you only heard about in passing.[/spoiler]

[ArchedThunder]

Especially considering we know absolutely nothing of the circumstances and are literally just going off of 1 sentence of info.

You'd think people would learn by now. People have already had this reaction multiple times before only for them to like it when we see it ourselves. This fanbase is pretty bad when it comes to knee-jerk reactions.

[kidhero1000]

This shit is starting to look more and more like the Zoom plot from Season 2 of The Flash.

[Black_Liger]

I'm gone one day and now [spoiler]Zamasu[/spoiler]is Fucking Xehanort I love it!.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Since when did we have to spoiler so much in this thread!?

You don't.

I guess people are just being considerate since it's (sort of / presumably) the major reveal of the arc.

That said, if you're looking to avoid spoilers, it's your fault for reading a thread dedicated to Super-related announcements/reveals.

It's cool that people are willing to cater to those fans since I appreciate this thread isn't always about spoilers, but it's certainly not a requirement.

I agree at this stage people should know to avoid this thread but at the same time these spoilers are for episode 61 more then a week away doesn't feel right discussing it in the open especially when it's this big.

Maybe whenever something like this is happening the title of the thread could be changed to warn people? I just feel like since Kanzenshuu don't report on it is it really offical and open news?

[Pannaliciour]

All of you who wanted to know his identity souch basically know it now, so can Beerus just one-shot Zamasu and Black now.

Hmm I think that is going to be a problem for Beerus. Like Toriyama said even the Omni King will be involved. Black Goku is going to get to strong at one point.

[sailorspazz]

In light of this reveal, it makes me think back to something that happened near the beginning of the arc: when Gokuu and Black had their first encounter, and Black was speaking so politely. Once theories about Zamasu being Black started coming up, it made me wonder why, if it was his consciousness in Gokuu's body, he'd speak so formally with the guy he hated. Now I think maybe he was doing it as a mockery of Gokuu's lack of formality in situations where he should show respect, and was demonstrating what it'd look like for someone in that same body to actually be properly polite

There have been some questions about if there was a "switch" going on between Zamasu's and Gokuu's bodies like when Ginyu does his Body Change, but the verb that was used in Japanese doesn't necessarily mean that there was a two-way exchange. Maybe "replace" would be a clearer explanation, since the implication is that something was "switched out" for another. Funnily enough, the dictionary I consulted gave an example using this verb for making a fresh batch of tea, something Zamasu might know a bit about! (and you'd think he'd be tired of making tea since Gowasu made him do it all the time, but I found it funny that when Black and Zamasu were chilling at their summer mansion evil headquarters, the Z man was enjoying some tea )