"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Black learning to sense Trunks ki did happen in the manga too.
The manga and anime are the same continuity, regardless of how many times people want to ignore this fact.

The same continuity? They've blatantly contradicted each other time after time. Do you know what continuity means?

I also know what contradiction means and they have not.

I don't even know how to respond, that's just a bold-faced lie. The most obvious example of contradictions are in the events of the Goku vs. Hit fight.



A picture is worth a thousand words. Either you haven't read the manga, or you actually don't know what a contradiction is.

The BoG arc was also much different in Toyotaro's manga.

[Miracles]

The same continuity? They've blatantly contradicted each other time after time. Do you know what continuity means?

I also know what contradiction means and they have not.

I don't even know how to respond, that's just a bold-faced lie. The most obvious example of contradictions are in the events of the Goku vs. Hit fight.



A picture is worth a thousand words. Either you haven't read the manga, or you actually don't know what a contradiction is.

The BoG arc was also much different in Toyotaro's manga.

Now show me where in the manga that it was stated Kakarot can not use Kaioken in god mode?
That's called supplemented info from the anime.

[Bansho64]

Now show me where in the manga that it was stated Kakarot can not use Kaioken in god mode?
That's called supplemented info from the anime.

What in the world does that have to do with anything? The fact is, the anime and manga have different events in both stories. They are different continuities. Two different stories. Saying they're the same would be like saying the manga version of the Trunks special and the anime version are the same.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I also know what contradiction means and they have not.

I don't even know how to respond, that's just a bold-faced lie. The most obvious example of contradictions are in the events of the Goku vs. Hit fight.



A picture is worth a thousand words. Either you haven't read the manga, or you actually don't know what a contradiction is.

The BoG arc was also much different in Toyotaro's manga.

Now show me where in the manga that it was stated Kakarot can not use Kaioken in god mode?
That's called supplemented info from the anime.

The relation between the material is totally irrelevant. So are inquiries of what could and couldn't happen in said material.

You're saying that apples and oranges are the same because they both grow on trees.

[Patrolman Jaco]

The Saiyan battle armour is made out of a stretchy and durable material, but apparently the same holds true for Trunks causal clothing.

Lol wat. You're saying that like a sweater like his stretching is suprising.

The manga has more unnescessary homages; at least when the anime does them they have more reason to than doing it randomly on a fight/ impact panel. If I recall correctly, the anime has only done it during specific callbacks like Trunks G3 and Final Flash.


Also, the 2 face punch is done so many times throughout the series it's not even worth mentioning.

Since when have sweaters become as stretchy and durable as Saiyan battle armour? Am I buying sweaters from the wrong place or something?
So when the anime copies and pastes things, it's not worth mentioning, but if the manga does it then you can criticize. Seems legit.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Miracles]

What in the world does that have to do with anything? The fact is, the anime and manga have different events in both stories. They are different continuities. Two different stories. Saying they're the same would be like saying the manga version of the Trunks special and the anime version are the same.

I don't even know how to respond, that's just a bold-faced lie. The most obvious example of contradictions are in the events of the Goku vs. Hit fight.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Either you haven't read the manga, or you actually don't know what a contradiction is.

The BoG arc was also much different in Toyotaro's manga.

Now show me where in the manga that it was stated Kakarot can not use Kaioken in god mode?
That's called supplemented info from the anime.

The relation between the material is totally irrelevant. So are inquiries of what could and couldn't happen in said material.

You're saying that apples and oranges are the same because they both grow on trees.

I'm saying that same tree [manga/anime] just grew more apples.
If the manga stated Goku can not go kaioken in SSJB and the anime did it, then it's a different story!
But the anime just showed Goku can go Kaioken in SSJB and the manga never stated that he could not. So it is not a contradiction.
Toriyama checks each chapter and says YES to each!

[Jinzoningen MULE]

What in the world does that have to do with anything? The fact is, the anime and manga have different events in both stories. They are different continuities. Two different stories. Saying they're the same would be like saying the manga version of the Trunks special and the anime version are the same.

The fact that Goku going kaioken in the anime by no means contradicts the manga because the manga never stated that he could not go Kaioken in god form. The story is the same, one just supplements the other. Toriyama checks each chapter and says YES to each!

Now show me where in the manga that it was stated Kakarot can not use Kaioken in god mode?
That's called supplemented info from the anime.

The relation between the material is totally irrelevant. So are inquiries of what could and couldn't happen in said material.

You're saying that apples and oranges are the same because they both grow on trees.

I'm saying that same tree [manga/anime] just grew more apples.
If the manga stated Goku can not go kaioken in SSJB and the anime did it, then it's a different story!
But the anime just showed Goku can go Kaioken in SSJB and the manga never stated that he could not. So it is not a contradiction.

But he didn't, he won the tournament in different ways. The metaphor totally passed by your head.

Let me try to explain in a more practical way. I'm going to Columbus, Ohio at 9AM on 10/1/2016, then I'm going to Charlotte, North Carolina at 9AM on 10/1/2016. After going to these places, I will head immediately home, no extra stops.

According to the principles you're going by, that timeline makes perfect sense. You're saying that I can be at the same place at the same time, and as long as the end result is the same, or the other trip could conceivably have been made, there are no contradictions. That's clearly not the case.

[Xeztin]

I wonder if SSG Goku in the Hit fight of the manga has the skinny frame? It's hard to tell in the RoF outfit but I think it'd be silly for him to be skinny in SSG but not in Blue. I wished the manga would have made the SSG in the Hit fight a bit more noticeably different than in the BoG version. For example: I'd name the SSG in the Hit fight Super Saiyan Red, have the normal body frame like in SSJB, and make the hair a bit different than the SSG in BoG, more uplifted or something. I'd have it be weaker than the SSG in BoG because in BoG he had multiple people pouring his power into him. That way him going Super Saiyan Red "basically activating God Ki/SSG in base instead of Super Saiyan" wouldn't be impossible in neither the manga or anime. Toyotaro sort of hinted at doing something like this when Goten called it Super Saiyan Red or that's what I took from it other than him poking fun at it.

[Bansho64]

I'm saying that same tree [manga/anime] just grew more apples.
If the manga stated Goku can not go kaioken in SSJB and the anime did it, then it's a different story!
But the anime just showed Goku can go Kaioken in SSJB and the manga never stated that he could not. So it is not a contradiction.
Toriyama checks each chapter and says YES to each!

Why does the manga have to say that he can't? That has nothing to do with this. They literally cannot be the same story because different events happened in the anime and the manga.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I'm saying that same tree [manga/anime] just grew more apples.
If the manga stated Goku can not go kaioken in SSJB and the anime did it, then it's a different story!
But the anime just showed Goku can go Kaioken in SSJB and the manga never stated that he could not. So it is not a contradiction.
Toriyama checks each chapter and says YES to each!

Why does the manga have to say that he can't? That has nothing to do with this. They literally cannot be the same story because different events happened in the anime and the manga.

Ultimately, this has to come down to Miracles not knowing what "continuity" means. Two events cannot happen different ways at the same time within a single continuity.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Volume 2 of the manga is confirmed to be releasing in December:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Volume 2 of the manga is confirmed to be releasing in December:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

That will add up to another 9 chapters, won't it?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Depends on if they go by chapter count or page count, I suppose.

[Miracles]

I'm saying that same tree [manga/anime] just grew more apples.
If the manga stated Goku can not go kaioken in SSJB and the anime did it, then it's a different story!
But the anime just showed Goku can go Kaioken in SSJB and the manga never stated that he could not. So it is not a contradiction.
Toriyama checks each chapter and says YES to each!

Why does the manga have to say that he can't? That has nothing to do with this. They literally cannot be the same story because different events happened in the anime and the manga.

Because Dragonball Super manga and anime are checked by Toriyama. If story says one can't do something and the other does it then that would be a contradiction. Different story. However what we witnessed is supplemented info from the anime. None of this refutes the manga in anyway. The anime and manga of Dragonball Super simply compliments one another. Toriyama HIMSELF checks each chapter making sure it is on track!

What in the world does that have to do with anything? The fact is, the anime and manga have different events in both stories. They are different continuities. Two different stories. Saying they're the same would be like saying the manga version of the Trunks special and the anime version are the same.

The fact that Goku going kaioken in the anime by no means contradicts the manga because the manga never stated that he could not go Kaioken in god form. The story is the same, one just supplements the other. Toriyama checks each chapter and says YES to each!

The relation between the material is totally irrelevant. So are inquiries of what could and couldn't happen in said material.

You're saying that apples and oranges are the same because they both grow on trees.

I'm saying that same tree [manga/anime] just grew more apples.
If the manga stated Goku can not go kaioken in SSJB and the anime did it, then it's a different story!
But the anime just showed Goku can go Kaioken in SSJB and the manga never stated that he could not. So it is not a contradiction.

But he didn't, he won the tournament in different ways. The metaphor totally passed by your head.

Let me try to explain in a more practical way. I'm going to Columbus, Ohio at 9AM on 10/1/2016, then I'm going to Charlotte, North Carolina at 9AM on 10/1/2016. After going to these places, I will head immediately home, no extra stops.

According to the principles you're going by, that timeline makes perfect sense. You're saying that I can be at the same place at the same time, and as long as the end result is the same, or the other trip could conceivably have been made, there are no contradictions. That's clearly not the case.

This example is not good. Those two trips are a clear contradiction. Two entirely different locations at the same time.
You're example proves my point further. Goku did not say that he could use kaioken in SSJB in anime and can not in the manga! No match....Thank you!
At the end of the day Toriyama checks and approves both, they are the same story!

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I'm saying that same tree [manga/anime] just grew more apples.
If the manga stated Goku can not go kaioken in SSJB and the anime did it, then it's a different story!
But the anime just showed Goku can go Kaioken in SSJB and the manga never stated that he could not. So it is not a contradiction.
Toriyama checks each chapter and says YES to each!

Why does the manga have to say that he can't? That has nothing to do with this. They literally cannot be the same story because different events happened in the anime and the manga.

Because Dragonball Super manga and anime are checked by Toriyama. If story says one can't do something and the other does it then that would be a contradiction. Different story. However what we witnessed is supplemented info from the anime. None of this refutes the manga in anyway. The anime and manga of Dragonball Super simply compliments one another. Toriyama HIMSELF checks each chapter making sure it is on track!

The fact that Goku going kaioken in the anime by no means contradicts the manga because the manga never stated that he could not go Kaioken in god form. The story is the same, one just supplements the other. Toriyama checks each chapter and says YES to each!


I'm saying that same tree [manga/anime] just grew more apples.
If the manga stated Goku can not go kaioken in SSJB and the anime did it, then it's a different story!
But the anime just showed Goku can go Kaioken in SSJB and the manga never stated that he could not. So it is not a contradiction.

But he didn't, he won the tournament in different ways. The metaphor totally passed by your head.

Let me try to explain in a more practical way. I'm going to Columbus, Ohio at 9AM on 10/1/2016, then I'm going to Charlotte, North Carolina at 9AM on 10/1/2016. After going to these places, I will head immediately home, no extra stops.

According to the principles you're going by, that timeline makes perfect sense. You're saying that I can be at the same place at the same time, and as long as the end result is the same, or the other trip could conceivably have been made, there are no contradictions. That's clearly not the case.

This example is not good. Those two trips are a clear contradiction. Two entirely different locations at the same time.
Goku did not say that he could use kaioken in SSJB in anime and can not in the manga! No match....Thank you!

No, it's actually a perfect example if you can just wrap your head around the concept of chronology.

Again, you're only wrong in the fact that you don't understand what continuity means. You keep on pointing out associations that have nothing to do with the separate chronologies. This is not subjective, you are indisputably wrong here, and you don't listen when this is clearly explained to you. Instead, you take the conversation in one big loop.

If you reply to this and I don't answer back, it's because you still haven't checked a dictionary and corrected yourself on this. You're the only one who can decide to move this conversation. When you do, I'm free to talk almost any time.

[kinisking]

Lol, this is ONE instant. Toyotaro does it multiple times each CHAPTER. The homages in the manga just seem plain lazy. I mean this one actually makes sense, unlike half of the homages in the manga which are just thrown in there.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

The Saiyan battle armour is made out of a stretchy and durable material, but apparently the same holds true for Trunks causal clothing. It's also weird that his short hair got as long as his Post RoTaS pony tail hair length in SS Grade 3.

Ah yes, the two face lunch lol. I hate that, but completely forgot about it. It's not really a homage though, because it's done throughout the dragonBall series so much. It's basically a staple at this point.

Again with trunks, it makes sense because both scenes are directly related. Although the hair and shirt doing that is stupid.

[nite_jay]

The Saiyan battle armour is made out of a stretchy and durable material, but apparently the same holds true for Trunks causal clothing.

Lol wat. You're saying that like a sweater like his stretching is suprising.

The manga has more unnescessary homages; at least when the anime does them they have more reason to than doing it randomly on a fight/ impact panel. If I recall correctly, the anime has only done it during specific callbacks like Trunks G3 and Final Flash.


Also, the 2 face punch is done so many times throughout the series it's not even worth mentioning.

Since when have sweaters become as stretchy and durable as Saiyan battle armour? Am I buying sweaters from the wrong place or something?
So when the anime copies and pastes things, it's not worth mentioning, but if the manga does it then you can criticize. Seems legit.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

So you're saying a you've never had a sweater that stretches? Unless you only wear skinny jeans amd tank tops I'd say that most of your clothes could probably stretch a lot before ripping. Also, durability isn't even a factor, you question a sweater surviving but not all the other clothes throughout the series surviving? Goku should've been naked when rose out of the lava, then.
Clothes are such a non issue in this series it doesn't even make semse to worry about them.

I don't see how that anime picture reusing a shot has anything to do woth my argument, either. I said that the anime has more reason to do callbacks from the original anime than the manga because the anime only seems to do them during specific scenes that have the same transformation, attack, etc. and not just throwing in a whole bunch of poses from the original manga in a fight.

[saiyanvegetable]

Lol, this is ONE instant. Toyotaro does it multiple times each CHAPTER. The homages in the manga just seem plain lazy. I mean this one actually makes sense, unlike half of the homages in the manga which are just thrown in there.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

The Saiyan battle armour is made out of a stretchy and durable material, but apparently the same holds true for Trunks causal clothing. It's also weird that his short hair got as long as his Post RoTaS pony tail hair length in SS Grade 3.

Ah yes, the two face lunch lol. I hate that, but completely forgot about it. It's not really a homage though, because it's done throughout the dragonBall series so much. It's basically a staple at this point.

Again with trunks, it makes sense because both scenes are directly related. Although the hair and shirt doing that is stupid.

It's amazing how you give the anime a complete pass (with a million excuses) as to why it's OK for it to rip complete scenes from Z in the most uninspiring way, versus a panel here and there in the Manga. Trunks vs Dabura was a nice homage whereas the anime is well...we all know by now.

[kinisking]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

The Saiyan battle armour is made out of a stretchy and durable material, but apparently the same holds true for Trunks causal clothing. It's also weird that his short hair got as long as his Post RoTaS pony tail hair length in SS Grade 3.

Ah yes, the two face lunch lol. I hate that, but completely forgot about it. It's not really a homage though, because it's done throughout the dragonBall series so much. It's basically a staple at this point.

Again with trunks, it makes sense because both scenes are directly related. Although the hair and shirt doing that is stupid.

It's amazing how you give the anime a complete pass (with a million excuses) as to why it's OK for it to rip complete scenes from Z in the most uninspiring way, versus a panel here and there in the Manga. Trunks vs Dabura was a nice homage whereas the anime is well...we all know by now.

Again, the anime does it ten times less. Not only that, it does it in scenes that are directly related to the scene its referencing. Which actually makes sense. They're not trying to hide the homages, unlike the manga. The manga does it everywhere, with no rhyme or reason. That makes me think it's a lack of talent, rather than a true homage.

And also, that's the thing. The manga doesn't have an excuse.

[saiyanvegetable]

Ah yes, the two face lunch lol. I hate that, but completely forgot about it. It's not really a homage though, because it's done throughout the dragonBall series so much. It's basically a staple at this point.

Again with trunks, it makes sense because both scenes are directly related. Although the hair and shirt doing that is stupid.

It's amazing how you give the anime a complete pass (with a million excuses) as to why it's OK for it to rip complete scenes from Z in the most uninspiring way, versus a panel here and there in the Manga. Trunks vs Dabura was a nice homage whereas the anime is well...we all know by now.

Again, the anime does it ten times less. Not only that, it does it in scenes that are directly related to the scene its referencing. Which actually makes sense. They're not trying to hide the homages, unlike the manga. The manga does it everywhere, with no rhyme or reason. That makes me think it's a lack of talent, rather than a true homage.

And also, that's the thing. The manga doesn't have an excuse.

The Manga is trying to hide homages? Uhh? The anime throws in cheap lazy throwbacks to try to stir up nostalgia but the Manga "doesn't have an excuse"? One is a cohesive successor to Toriyama's original work that actually respects it's characters and their history, while the other is an embarrassing toy commercial. Apples and oranges my friend.