"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Marlowe89]

While it is true that he isn't actually his own character, he still seems different compared to Zamasu. He seems more power hungry, he does not care for immortality, and just feels overall more evil. We might see some double crossing going on between the two Zamasus.

This. Black even directly insinuated that Goku's body has been influencing his personality to some degree, particularly when it comes to his thirst for battle and power.

Zamasu seems to care solely about accomplishing the '0 mortals' plan, whereas Black at least has additional interests.

[Chiki]

While it is true that he isn't actually his own character, he still seems different compared to Zamasu. He seems more power hungry, he does not care for immortality, and just feels overall more evil. We might see some double crossing going on between the two Zamasus.

This. Black even directly insinuated that Goku's body has been influencing his personality to some degree, particularly when it comes to his thirst for battle and power.

Zamasu seems to care solely about accomplishing the '0 mortals' plan, whereas Black at least has additional interests.

How would Black be becoming more evil and power hungry as a result of Goku's personality? Goku is pure good.

[kinisking]

While it is true that he isn't actually his own character, he still seems different compared to Zamasu. He seems more power hungry, he does not care for immortality, and just feels overall more evil. We might see some double crossing going on between the two Zamasus.

This. Black even directly insinuated that Goku's body has been influencing his personality to some degree, particularly when it comes to his thirst for battle and power.

Zamasu seems to care solely about accomplishing the '0 mortals' plan, whereas Black at least has additional interests.

How would Black be becoming more evil and power hungry as a result of Goku's personality? Goku is pure good.

Black isn't more evil. He's just more focused on fighting and getting stronger. Just like Goku.

[kinisking]

Imagine your favorite villain as the main protagonist of the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LKT_IcyT-s

THIS IS AMAZING

[Chiki]

This. Black even directly insinuated that Goku's body has been influencing his personality to some degree, particularly when it comes to his thirst for battle and power.

Zamasu seems to care solely about accomplishing the '0 mortals' plan, whereas Black at least has additional interests.

How would Black be becoming more evil and power hungry as a result of Goku's personality? Goku is pure good.

Black isn't more evil. He's just more focused on fighting and getting stronger. Just like Goku.

Erm.. Whis said he's more evil in ep 53.

[Anime Kitten]

Imagine your favorite villain as the main protagonist of the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LKT_IcyT-s

Love it (aside from the very end)! That's awesome.

[Marlowe89]

How would Black be becoming more evil and power hungry as a result of Goku's personality? Goku is pure good.

You don't see how Zamasu's dark personality combined with Goku's thirst for battle would result in a more "evil" fighter?

And I never said that the core of Goku's personality played a role, only that certain aspects of Goku appear to be influencing Zamasu according to Black's own admission.

[Noah]

Imagine your favorite villain as the main protagonist of the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LKT_IcyT-s

OMG! This was so funny!

Congratulations to whoever made this!

[Kakarotto92]

I read some comments In youtube about revealing Black Goku so many hate comments and many are disappointed because he is not Goten or some says the trunks arc sucks now super is now bad bla bla

bla lol those fans are ridiculous that it makes me angry....The Trunks Arc is great so far and does not deserve such a hate but what can you do i hope episode 60-61 will give them an heartattack

Tell me about it. I was actually shocked that there were so many people out there who unironically believed in that idiotic "Black is Goten" non-sense. I genuinely thought most people were just trolling with that.

No offense to anyone but, that is easily one of the most stupid, cringe-worthy and absurd fan speculations I've ever heard, on par with the people who thought Broly was inside Magetta. It's so blatantly obvious why it could never be Goten it shouldn't even require explanations (even if it somehow made sense it would still be an awful and dumb plot twist IMO).

Really, the only reason people were throwing around that "theory" was because some clueless kids on youtube started pointing out how Black is skinnier/not as buff as Goku and wears long sleeves therefore he must be Goten amirite?! (nevermind the fact that this is due to Toriyama's current art style which makes most of the main cast look anorexic and the only reason why Goku is more muscular than Black in the anime is simply because Yamamuro didn't update him to how AT currently envisions the character).

I mean c'mon people, it was virtually SPELLED OUT to us since the beginning of the arc that this was Goku's body: Black calling himself "Son Goku" right from the start, kept mentioning that "this body wants to fight him", that line about reaching the peak of beauty "thanks to Son Goku" when he first turned SSJ Rosé and then there's this scene which pretty explicit about it.

The hints and clues about him being Zamasu were also ALL OVER THE PLACE: Beerus and Whis noticing both him and Black had the same ki, the ki blade, Black's version of SSGSS being rose instead of blue (remember the rose colored petals falling when Zamasu was starting to turn psycho?), the same polite and distinctive way of speaking, him referring to himself as a god/non-mortal. The clues were there all along, it was just matter of paying attention.

Sorry for the vent, but seeing hundreds of poorly written comments on youtube saying "dis sux! I thinkz it be better if it waz Goten, akira iz bad writer!" makes me a bit embarrassed of belonging to this fanbase (thankfully Kanzenshuu is a much more rational place).

[Noah]

I was wondering: What if the Zamasu we see in the opening scene is the Goku that's trapped in Zamasu's body?

[Anime Kitten]

I was wondering: What if the Zamasu we see in the opening scene is the Goku that's trapped in Zamasu's body?

It's possible, but unlikely, since Black said he already killed him.

[Freeza9000]

Imagine your favorite villain as the main protagonist of the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LKT_IcyT-s

OMG! This was so funny!

Congratulations to whoever made this!

That finger that Black made at the end sure as hell wasn't devoid of hilarity. "Fuck all those ningen that stand in my way!!!" My sides are in extreme pain and probably even worse than Goku's pain of steroids after using Kaioken against Hit.

[ArchedThunder]

I was wondering: What if the Zamasu we see in the opening scene is the Goku that's trapped in Zamasu's body?

It's possible, but unlikely, since Black said he already killed him.

I think he means the one that you see fall in the opening.

[Freeza9000]

I read some comments In youtube about revealing Black Goku so many hate comments and many are disappointed because he is not Goten or some says the trunks arc sucks now super is now bad bla bla

bla lol those fans are ridiculous that it makes me angry....The Trunks Arc is great so far and does not deserve such a hate but what can you do i hope episode 60-61 will give them an heartattack

Tell me about it. I was actually shocked that there were so many people out there who unironically believed in that idiotic "Black is Goten" non-sense. I genuinely thought most people were just trolling with that.

No offense to anyone but, that is easily one of the most stupid, cringe-worthy and absurd fan speculations I've ever heard, on par with the people who thought Broly was inside Magetta. It's so blatantly obvious why it could never be Goten it shouldn't even require explanations (even if it somehow made sense it would still be an awful and dumb plot twist IMO).

Really, the only reason people were throwing around that "theory" was because some clueless kids on youtube started pointing out how Black is skinnier/not as buff as Goku and wears long sleeves therefore he must be Goten amirite?! (nevermind the fact that this is due to Toriyama's current art style which makes most of the main cast look anorexic and the only reason why Goku is more muscular than Black in the anime is simply because Yamamuro didn't update him to how AT currently envisions the character).

I mean c'mon people, it was virtually SPELLED OUT to us since the beginning of the arc that this was Goku's body: Black calling himself "Son Goku" right from the start, kept mentioning that "this body wants to fight him", that line about reaching the peak of beauty "thanks to Son Goku" when he first turned SSJ Rosé and then there's this scene which pretty explicit about it.

The hints and clues about him being Zamasu were also ALL OVER THE PLACE: Beerus and Whis noticing both him and Black had the same ki, the ki blade, Black's version of SSGSS being rose instead of blue (remember the rose colored petals falling when Zamasu was starting to turn psycho?), the same polite and distinctive way of speaking, him referring to himself as a god/non-mortal. The clues were there all along, it was just matter of paying attention.

Sorry for the vent, but seeing hundreds of poorly written comments on youtube saying "dis sux! I thinkz it be better if it waz Goten, akira iz bad writer!" makes me a bit embarrassed of belonging to this fanbase (thankfully Kanzenshuu is a much more rational place).

I feel your pain, man. The people complaining about Black being Zamasu via body exchange were pretty much the same people that theorized that Black's true identity is Goten and also the people that came up with the dumb theory about Black being Gowasu or a Hakaishin. These clueless idiots should probably pay attention to details in the arc.

[Freeza9000]

Well, I'm not disappointed with the answer. It's not just what I wanted.
Being Goten somehow or the GoD from Universe 10 would be my top choices.

Especially the former. The idea of Zamasu using Goku's son as a revenge tool and turn out to Be Goten Black vs Future Trunks all along would be great to me.
I would still need to work that out though.

It would have kind of explained Goten's long absence from this Arc as well.

On a side note, I don't like the fact that they just gave away Black's identity in the summary, it would have been better if they saved that for the episode. Creates better suspense for the audience. Now I have an idea as to what I should expect before watching episode 60.

An advice that still needs to be followed: don't read the spoilers then! That would spare the suspense you would have to experience in the latest episode.

[Freeza9000]

This whole thing is confusing and hurts my brain, but as said earlier in this thread:

Before the start of the arc, I thought the idea of Goku Black was disappointing then it turned out to be one the better stories in Super. I'm looking forward to see how this whole Zamasu is Black (kinda) thing plays out before I pass judgment.

Even though I still think is not great story-wise to Black actually be another Zamasu

At the very least, Black is actually his own character than Zamasu. At the cabin talking to Zamasu, Black refused to accept immortality because Black had that Saiyan spirit that encompasses the character of Goku. Black wants to reach the peak of his potential and wants to become stronger in combat like Goku, Vegeta, etc. This reveals a rather competitive side to Black's character.

While the other Zamasu on the other hand, just wants immortality to succeed in his "0 Mortals" plan. He has no alternative plan to become stronger like Black which makes Black a slightly compelling character.

[ArchedThunder]

I'm very interested to find out why the Zamasu that became Black is so different than present Zamasu or the one in the future.
I wonder if over time Goku's body changed Zamasu mentally and that led to the psycho we have now.

[Nejishiki]

I somewhat mirror your thoughts. I think his body is "negatively" impacting him, too. What I'm anxious about is what caused the divergence between Goku Black and Future Zamasu. They're similar in character, yet different. They have the same plan, but their methods of justice are unique. The Goku of Goku Black's era probably won't be explored much. It's likely he'll be an expository subject. Still, it has potential to be excellent entertainment viewing how and why the two first meet and pass fatal crossroads.

[Chiki]

How would Black be becoming more evil and power hungry as a result of Goku's personality? Goku is pure good.

You don't see how Zamasu's dark personality combined with Goku's thirst for battle would result in a more "evil" fighter?

And I never said that the core of Goku's personality played a role, only that certain aspects of Goku appear to be influencing Zamasu according to Black's own admission.

But Black enjoys killing people more than Zamasu does and that has nothing to do with Goku's love of battle.

[Marlowe89]

But Black enjoys killing people more than Zamasu does and that has nothing to do with Goku's love of battle.

Not really. You're quoting a statement that was made back in episode 53, before Zamasu even intended to wipe out all mortals.