Is SSJ Blue the most underwhelming transformation in the history of Dragon Ball?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Disagree it's too unfair to call judgement, SSGSS was introduced in the anime in December it's been less then a year and your comparing to forms that have been around for decades.

SSGSS has done quite a bit in it's less then a year introduction, it was able to hold off and then kill Freeza it enabled Goku to fuse it with KK and even scared Beerus. And hell I'll count on shoting Cabba. In a similar time frame SS managed to withold Freeza, kill Freeza and beat a bunch of androids. Hardly any different?

SS2 was tossed aside as soon as Cell was defeated and SS3 was just a time staller serious what did that form ever do (not counting the M13 dumb dragon fist thing)? Okay maybe withholding Buu for a bit, but that's it

And SSG did absolutely nothing.

So I disagree it hasn't had enough time to be deemed underwhelming. Hell this current arc isn't over and it looks like SSGSS will actually defeat Black and Zamasu since that calendar leak looks like it maybe true after all.

[ekrolo2]

Disagree it's too unfair to call judgement, SSGSS was introduced in the anime in December it's been less then a year and your comparing to forms that have been around for decades.

SSGSS has done quite a bit in it's less then a year introduction, it was able to hold off and then kill Freeza it enabled Goku to fuse it with KK and even scared Beerus. And hell I'll count on shoting Cabba. In a similar time frame SS managed to withold Freeza, kill Freeza and beat a bunch of androids. Hardly any different?

SS2 was tossed aside as soon as Cell was defeated and SS3 was just a time staller serious what did that form ever do (not counting the M13 dumb dragon fist thing)? Okay maybe withholding Buu for a bit, but that's it

And SSG did absolutely nothing.

So I disagree it hasn't had enough time to be deemed underwhelming. Hell this current arc isn't over and it looks like SSGSS will actually defeat Black and Zamasu since that calendar leak looks like it maybe true after all.

So its impressive because it let Goku beat up an idiot (Freeza) who'd kill him and Vegeta if he trained a smidge more, because it retcons Super Saiyan 1s mastery to make itself look better and because it let Vegeta beat up a rookie Super Saiyan (which he could've done with regular SSs max power)?

I'm not fan of 2 or 3 or hell, most of the forms outside 4 and maybe the original but Blue's hardly impressive thus far with what its done story wise. Let alone how fuck all thought was put into designing it.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Disagree it's too unfair to call judgement, SSGSS was introduced in the anime in December it's been less then a year and your comparing to forms that have been around for decades.

SSGSS has done quite a bit in it's less then a year introduction, it was able to hold off and then kill Freeza it enabled Goku to fuse it with KK and even scared Beerus. And hell I'll count on shoting Cabba. In a similar time frame SS managed to withold Freeza, kill Freeza and beat a bunch of androids. Hardly any different?

SS2 was tossed aside as soon as Cell was defeated and SS3 was just a time staller serious what did that form ever do (not counting the M13 dumb dragon fist thing)? Okay maybe withholding Buu for a bit, but that's it

And SSG did absolutely nothing.

So I disagree it hasn't had enough time to be deemed underwhelming. Hell this current arc isn't over and it looks like SSGSS will actually defeat Black and Zamasu since that calendar leak looks like it maybe true after all.

So its impressive because it let Goku beat up an idiot (Freeza) who'd kill him and Vegeta if he trained a smidge more, because it retcons Super Saiyan 1s mastery to make itself look better and because it let Vegeta beat up a rookie Super Saiyan (which he could've done with regular SSs max power)?

I'm not fan of 2 or 3 or hell, most of the forms outside 4 and maybe the original but Blue's hardly impressive thus far with what its done story wise. Let alone how fuck all thought was put into designing it.

I didn't say it's done impressive but it's simply unfair to call judgment on it at this stage. Especially given how long it took other forms to actually do something.

There was thought put into it. The shade of blue used. How the aura would look, we even got newly designed clothes to compliment the form. Same for Freeza and same for SSR. There a lot more then simple re colours.

[ekrolo2]

I didn't say it's done impressive but it's simply unfair to call judgment on it at this stage. Especially given how long it took other forms to actually do something.

There was thought put into it. The shade of blue used. How the aura would look, we even got newly designed clothes to compliment the form. Same for Freeza and same for SSR. There a lot more then simple re colours.

Toriyama has never put any actual thought into a Super Saiyan design. Hell, he admitted to making the original the way it is solely to cut down on inking time. 4 is the only exception and he didn't work on that.

I'd also say how much any form does is pretty spotty across the entire franchise. Original Super Saiyan let Goku & Vegeta beat Freeza and 20 and then was useless until variant forms were introduced which also failed. Grades 2,3 and 4 didn't allow their respective users to accomplish the necessary goal: kill Cell, 2 barely accomplished this then was discarded for 3 which also failed to defeat anyone.

4 only let Goku beat Baby once he stacked the other Saiyan's power into it, it did let him kill Naturon and Eis but failed to beat Omega and Super 17.

God didn't beat anyone and Blue's only defeated opponents who were morons or weak enough to get smashed by far inferior transformations already.

[gofishus]

It may be presented as the most underwhelming, but I'd take that over "OWOWGOHANWENTSSJ2!!!1!1!1!1!1" It's a breath of fresh air, much like Beerus. It's finally a form that's not essentially a guaranteed win.

I do disagree with the Super Saiyan God part, though. It was just as whelming as Blue IMO.

Are you kidding me ? Gohans SSJ2 was hands down my favorite part of DBZ. It was epic. It was the one time someone other than Goku was in the spotlight and reached a new form and you can absolutely feel the power increase. I'd take that over the pile of lazy crap that is SSJB anyday

[gofishus]

Disagree it's too unfair to call judgement, SSGSS was introduced in the anime in December it's been less then a year and your comparing to forms that have been around for decades.

SSGSS has done quite a bit in it's less then a year introduction, it was able to hold off and then kill Freeza it enabled Goku to fuse it with KK and even scared Beerus. And hell I'll count on shoting Cabba. In a similar time frame SS managed to withold Freeza, kill Freeza and beat a bunch of androids. Hardly any different?

SS2 was tossed aside as soon as Cell was defeated and SS3 was just a time staller serious what did that form ever do (not counting the M13 dumb dragon fist thing)? Okay maybe withholding Buu for a bit, but that's it

And SSG did absolutely nothing.

So I disagree it hasn't had enough time to be deemed underwhelming. Hell this current arc isn't over and it looks like SSGSS will actually defeat Black and Zamasu since that calendar leak looks like it maybe true after all.

SSJ2 Gohan had two of the most badass fights ever. One against Cell and one against Bojack. SSJ2 Vegeat vs Goku was probably the most epic fight in the entire series. SSJ3 had the most amazing transformation ever... it actually shook the whole earth and transformation sequence is just as or more memorable than Goku SSJ1 or Gohan SSJ2. So yes I think SSJB was quite underwhelming by comparison. We don't know actually how it compares to SSJR since apparently SSJ2 Trunks can stand up to it ... we have no idea of power levels in Super it's all messed up

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Disagree it's too unfair to call judgement, SSGSS was introduced in the anime in December it's been less then a year and your comparing to forms that have been around for decades.

SSGSS has done quite a bit in it's less then a year introduction, it was able to hold off and then kill Freeza it enabled Goku to fuse it with KK and even scared Beerus. And hell I'll count on shoting Cabba. In a similar time frame SS managed to withold Freeza, kill Freeza and beat a bunch of androids. Hardly any different?

SS2 was tossed aside as soon as Cell was defeated and SS3 was just a time staller serious what did that form ever do (not counting the M13 dumb dragon fist thing)? Okay maybe withholding Buu for a bit, but that's it

And SSG did absolutely nothing.

So I disagree it hasn't had enough time to be deemed underwhelming. Hell this current arc isn't over and it looks like SSGSS will actually defeat Black and Zamasu since that calendar leak looks like it maybe true after all.

SSJ2 Gohan had two of the most badass fights ever. One against Cell and one against Bojack. SSJ2 Vegeat vs Goku was probably the most epic fight in the entire series. SSJ3 had the most amazing transformation ever... it actually shook the whole earth and transformation sequence is just as or more memorable than Goku SSJ1 or Gohan SSJ2. So yes I think SSJB was quite underwhelming by comparison. We don't know actually how it compares to SSJR since apparently SSJ2 Trunks can stand up to it ... we have no idea of power levels in Super it's all messed up

Vegeta vs Goku SS2 fight loses all impact once it's revealed that Goku had SS3 all along, and it doesn't hold any weight to the first fight in Z.

Says a lot that SS3 is only memorable for how Goku turned into it for the first time rather then anything the form did but it loses all value because Goku did nothing with it after except stall time for Trunks. Hell Goku even used SS1 to finish Buu off unlike SS2 SS3 achieved nothing. SSSGSSKK craps all over the SS3 transformation because Goku actually did something with it after.

Also SSGSS is supposed to represent tranquility and calmness so shattering the Earth kind of goes against that, the sound of the aura the music theme it all matches with what the form is supposed to represent.

Trunks cannot stand up to it, he got Black off guard and managed to get a lucky shot in, Goku knew this and immediately switched enemies with him amd when Black went after Trunks, Goku quickly followe Black saying "your my opponent" and continued to spar. It's no different to Vegeta getting a shot in at Beerus when SS3 Goku couldn't, or Vegeta from seemingly nowhere can throw a blast with enough energy to distract Cell enough for Gohan and Goku to finish him off.

[Anime Kitten]

Are you kidding me ? Gohans SSJ2 was hands down my favorite part of DBZ. It was epic. It was the one time someone other than Goku was in the spotlight and reached a new form and you can absolutely feel the power increase. I'd take that over the pile of lazy crap that is SSJB anyday

There was barely any buildup, nearly no hints, and it seemed almost (though not) unnecessary in a sense. Goku's Super Saiyan had all of DBZ as buildup, and constant hinting (by Vegeta especially).

I agree with Baggie_Saiyan. It's too early to call judgment on the form.

[Bansho64]

Also SSGSS is supposed to represent tranquility and calmness so shattering the Earth kind of goes against that, the sound of the aura the music theme it all matches with what the form is supposed to represent.

To me, that's not what I saw or heard. It was really boring, to be honest. Like, I couldn't feel anything when I heard and saw it. It was just.....empty to me. When I think of a quiet but serene power up, I think something like this. Or, at least the part before he actually dashes at 17.

The music sounds mystical and suspenseful to me. I can feel that something is rising but it's very serene at the same time. Not necessarily peaceful, but quieter than I expected. The bright aura, the rocks floating, even Piccolo's screams. It's all amazing to me.

The original SSJG transformation transmitted this sort of feeling to me as well. That particular moment is when I felt Sumitomo really achieved his magnum opus.

[Lord Beerus]

I wouldn't say Super Saiyan Blue is underwhelming, because given the context of how the form is achieved, the way the transformation looks like makes sense. I can understand why people wouldn't like it, because in a nutshell, it is essentially a Super Saiyan recolour transformation and coming right the heels of Super Saiyan God, I'm sure some fans would have wanted the next Super Saiyan form to have distinguishing and unique appearance. I'd say the most underwhelming transformation in history of Dragon Ball is Ultimate Gohan because it contributed nothing to the story and became an afterthought almost immediately.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I wouldn't say Super Saiyan Blue is underwhelming, because given the context of how the form is achieved, the way the transformation looks like makes sense. I can understand why people wouldn't like it, because in a nutshell, it is essentially a Super Saiyan recolour transformation and coming right the heels of Super Saiyan God, I'm sure some fans would have wanted the next Super Saiyan form to have distinguishing and unique appearance. I'd say the most underwhelming transformation in history of Dragon Ball is Ultimate Gohan because it contributed nothing to the story and became an afterthought almost immediately.

That wasn't technically a transformation, SS3 is by far the most underwhelming even at least with Ultimate Gohan he had the intent on beating Buu for the sake of defeating him and not stalling time. One of the reasons why the Vegetto fight in the anime I have a love hate relationship with, Vegetto was cool did some cool things but my god it became infuriating when it became apparent he was stalling for time and wanted Buu to absorb him.

[PsionicWarrior]

Why I despise GT I love Super Saiyan 4. It is unique as hell and is using the great ape as concept.

Something which is forgotton right now... The tails and apes

So much this.

[Boo Machine]

SSJ3 is my favorite transformation, but I have to agree with the others who say that it is the most underwhelming so far. Kind of anti climactic actually. (which I'm ok with all things considering.)

I know some people wanted a unique look, but SSJ2, aside from Gohan at the cell games, looks really identical to SSj1, So much so that people to this day have a hard time telling what form is being used when a character turns on the blonde locks. But everyone still loves the form. (It's my least favorite though.)

SS4 is unique sure, but unique doesn't automatically equal good. To me, SS4 has always been hilariously whacky looking. Like they were trying really hard to make it look cool and they mashed together everything they could think of.

Personally I wish they had stuck with the SSJ god red from battle of gods. But I feel like Blue has been pretty good so far. It's not super overwhelming to the point that no one can stand up against it and it's not so underwhelming that it can be achieved by anyone. I think it strikes a fairly good balance. It hasn't done anything earth shattering but I don't think it needs to.

If people don't mind answering the question, What would SSJ Blue have to do to not be considered underwhelming to you? I'd love to know others expectations.

[Chuquita]

As a replacement for ssjg, it was underwhelming imo, but we got those F arc outfits out of it and I really like Gokû and Vegeta's (and Bulma's and Gohan's for that matter) clothes on them.

[Lord Beerus]

I wouldn't say Super Saiyan Blue is underwhelming, because given the context of how the form is achieved, the way the transformation looks like makes sense. I can understand why people wouldn't like it, because in a nutshell, it is essentially a Super Saiyan recolour transformation and coming right the heels of Super Saiyan God, I'm sure some fans would have wanted the next Super Saiyan form to have distinguishing and unique appearance. I'd say the most underwhelming transformation in history of Dragon Ball is Ultimate Gohan because it contributed nothing to the story and became an afterthought almost immediately.

That wasn't technically a transformation, SS3 is by far the most underwhelming even at least with Ultimate Gohan he had the intent on beating Buu for the sake of defeating him and not stalling time. One of the reasons why the Vegetto fight in the anime I have a love hate relationship with, Vegetto was cool did some cool things but my god it became infuriating when it became apparent he was stalling for time and wanted Buu to absorb him.

I'd consider Ultimate Gohan a transformation, mainly due that when power ups into that form he facial expression changes and that one bang in his hairdo always comes out. For what it's worth, SSJ3 is a close second but doesn't get the dubious honour is because how much of flawed transformation and making you realise that even the Saiyans had their limits in regard to how much natural strength they had. And... because of this.

[Pannaliciour]

Yeah ssj blue isnt that great but the worst one is ssj Blue without the aura.

[Gig]

If people don't mind answering the question, What would SSJ Blue have to do to not be considered underwhelming to you? I'd love to know others expectations.

Win a real fight by becoming stronger than the opponent, I guess.
The three transformations introduced in Super (SSG, SSB, SSBKK) have not been enough to beat their enemies...

Note: I don't count Cabba due to that being just a training with a much weaker opponent, at the end.

[Ki Breaker]

If people don't mind answering the question, What would SSJ Blue have to do to not be considered underwhelming to you? I'd love to know others expectations.

At this point.. It's pretty much said and done being an underwhelming transformation..
But for it to make a comeback as a good one.. Well it could go three ways..

One is all fighters try to beat an opponent really powerful and gets messed up..
Then comes around ssb anyone's would do..( I would much rather prefer vegeta )
And beat them with a fight similar to nappa and goku..

Other is if another person achieved the blue transformation and shits on everybody who was opposing him, come to think of it, if rosé indeed IS a ssb variant and ssb has the ability to become as strong as black is becoming per day.. It will be pretty much made a total beast transformation in my book..

Last one is associated with the 2nd one.. Goku figures out blacks way of powering up as it's his own body.. And actually manages to master ssb the level black has done to his rosé..
Then comes the universal tournament and either he beats hit with only ssb this time.. Or hit gets pawned by another guy and he beats that guy with ssb.. ( no kaioken allowed, I would much rather see him using God mode like toyotaro showed )

I personally would prefer the last scenario..
Would show how much of a best real Mastery of ssb can be

[gofishus]

SSJ3 is my favorite transformation, but I have to agree with the others who say that it is the most underwhelming so far. Kind of anti climactic actually. (which I'm ok with all things considering.)

I know some people wanted a unique look, but SSJ2, aside from Gohan at the cell games, looks really identical to SSj1, So much so that people to this day have a hard time telling what form is being used when a character turns on the blonde locks. But everyone still loves the form. (It's my least favorite though.)

SS4 is unique sure, but unique doesn't automatically equal good. To me, SS4 has always been hilariously whacky looking. Like they were trying really hard to make it look cool and they mashed together everything they could think of.

Personally I wish they had stuck with the SSJ god red from battle of gods. But I feel like Blue has been pretty good so far. It's not super overwhelming to the point that no one can stand up against it and it's not so underwhelming that it can be achieved by anyone. I think it strikes a fairly good balance. It hasn't done anything earth shattering but I don't think it needs to.

If people don't mind answering the question, What would SSJ Blue have to do to not be considered underwhelming to you? I'd love to know others expectations.

I like SSJ4, it brings back Oozaru which has been largely forgotten since the Saiyan saga, makes it relevant again, and is probably the most unique SSJ transformation of all. But then again, I also prefer GT over Super, so I'm biased as well

[jplaya2023]

Once again feeding into the idea that Toriyama's never been really great with designing SS forms. Honestly, they should've just called up Nakatsuru to design SSGod and it's successor.

I still can't believe they got Yamamuro running the show with his garbage, yet Nakatsuru barely does anything. I'm utterly baffled. Nakatsuru's literally progressed the best in terms of DB designs.

I'd have taken his cape design for SSGod over what we got honestly. I've probably put a bounty on my head courtesy of Ajay for saying that but fuck it I'm not afraid to die :P

what did his SSJ god look like

One thing i'll say about Blue was the reason people don't like it was because there was no tension build up with it. With each of the ssj transformations of the past we had some tension built and it was needed or the world was going to be destroyed.

ssj1 - goku needed it to beat frieza and it came after krilian died
ssj2 - gohan seeing 16 head get caved in gave into the rage and needed it for cell
ssj3 - goku needed to stall buu while trunks got the radar and ssj2 was no challenge to buu
ssj red - unless they figured out how to access beerus was going to destroy the planet
ssj blue - i would've liked to see goku fight frieza as ssj red get his butt kicked then access the power