Goku and Instant Transmission in the Future.

[DbzRyan24]

I know Goku used IT during his second fight with Black in the future. But if in the next battle, him, Vegeta and Trunks are losing again could he use it to escape? For example to King Kai's planet? Is he alive in Trunks' timeline?

[Polyphase Avatron]

There's no way to tell until it happens.

[ekrolo2]

I'd love for them to go to King Kai's so he can explain why he and the dead fighters did nothing to help all these years.

[Steven Bloodriver]

I'd love for them to go to King Kai's so he can explain why he and the dead fighters did nothing to help all these years.

The Z Fighters were probably forced to not interfere because of the strict rules in the Otherworld.

[FoolsGil]

Well, I doubt Future King Kai's ki would change. I suppose he could escape there.

I'd love for them to go to King Kai's so he can explain why he and the dead fighters did nothing to help all these years.

Earth is small potatoes. The Kais normally don't interfere. King Kai made exceptions for his pupils. With them being dead, it would have been against the rules for him to continue helping

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I know Goku used IT during his second fight with Black in the future. But if in the next battle, him, Vegeta and Trunks are losing again could he use it to escape? For example to King Kai's planet? Is he alive in Trunks' timeline?

Don't take this as law, but according to Toyotaro's manga, Black killed all of the Kaioshin (except the U6 Kaioshin and Kibito, they were killed by Babidi and Dabura), and of course the Hakaishin died by proxy. It was never explicitely stated, but it's entirely plausible that Zamasu killed all of the Kaio as well.

Then again, none of this was never said in the show. So, like I said, don't take this as law.

[ekrolo2]

Well, I doubt Future King Kai's ki would change. I suppose he could escape there.

I'd love for them to go to King Kai's so he can explain why he and the dead fighters did nothing to help all these years.

Earth is small potatoes. The Kais normally don't interfere. King Kai made exceptions for his pupils. With them being dead, it would have been against the rules for him to continue helping

That doesn't stop him from offering them help to go to Namek or checking up on Goku to see how their plan of reviving everyone is going. All of these are purely favors to Goku and the Earth which have no bearing on the larger universe. And this is all before he even knows Freeza's on Namek. Plus, King Kai doesn't know what the Androids are capable of so him just outright dismissing guys who're much stronger than Freeza like that feels weird. How does he know they can't just blow the whole thing up and move on to other planets later? We the audience know this but unless King Kai has Gero's blueprints, I doubt he or any of the dead fighters do.

There is no explanation for this really, Toriyama just needs everyone to suddenly give up in the afterlife so Trunks' contrived dystopian future can exist when in actuality it wouldn't last five minutes.

[FoolsGil]

That doesn't stop him from offering them help to go to Namek or checking up on Goku to see how their plan of reviving everyone is going. All of these are purely favors to Goku and the Earth which have no bearing on the larger universe. And this is all before he even knows Freeza's on Namek.

Yes. He made exceptions for Goku, who was still alive. I already said he made exceptions for his students, I'm glad we agree.

Plus, King Kai doesn't know what the Androids are capable of so him just outright dismissing guys who're much stronger than Freeza like that feels weird. How does he know they can't just blow the whole thing up and move on to other planets later? We the audience know this but unless King Kai has Gero's blueprints, I doubt he or any of the dead fighters do.

King Kai under no circumstances stated he was omniscient. He knows Freeza because he can check on the universe and knows Freeza does big things, nothing that warrants him actively taking action like the Supreme Kais vs Buu, but knowing him. But Earth is just one planet out in space away from everything else and is self contained, if he's not searching actively for evil, and if he's looking through the universe and not seeing anything about Androids going from planet to planet, what do you expect?

There is no explanation for this really, Toriyama just needs everyone to suddenly give up in the afterlife so Trunks' contrived dystopian future can exist when in actuality it wouldn't last five minutes.

Well this is an in universe discussion, not general, so...that response can go there maybe?

[ekrolo2]

Yes. He made exceptions for Goku, who was still alive. I already said he made exceptions for his students, I'm glad we agree.

That's my point though: why does it matter if they're alive or dead? Why didn't he tell Goku to piss off when he first came to train under him if he was just going to return to the living realm when King Kai's training is meant exclusively for dead warriors? He's under no obligation to help them for the Namek trip but he does so anyway, yet when Goku's dead, that's where he draws the line? How come he didn't tell a dead Goku to piss off when he asks him for helping in contacting the people on Earth to revive him for Nappa & Vegeta's arrival? Why can't he do the same thing for Piccolo and the others and contact Namek?

King Kai under no circumstances stated he was omniscient. He knows Freeza because he can check on the universe and knows Freeza does big things, nothing that warrants him actively taking action like the Supreme Kais vs Buu, but knowing him. But Earth is just one planet out in space away from everything else and is self contained, if he's not searching actively for evil, and if he's looking through the universe and not seeing anything about Androids going from planet to planet, what do you expect?

I'm talking the inital days or weeks of the Androids arrival, he knows these guys are incredibly powerful and just murdered almost everyone he's taught recently and he has no idea if they can go to other planets or not. I would expect Goku & co to urge him to call New Namek and revive Piccolo so he can Gohan can clean this mess up instead of doing.... nothing for no good in-character reason. Isn't it better to not take risks with the two people a lot stronger than Freeza and simply kill them on Earth before they can potentially become threats down the line?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

It does seem odd that there'd be no contact with the Otherworld in the future timeline. It's almost as if there's a disconnection there. Goku passed away from the heart virus, the others were killed by the Androids, and that's that. Goku most likely never kept contact with Gohan from Otherworld, or his one day to visit the Earth in that timeline. I just imagine Goku eating and playing around with Bubbles while the Androids were on a rampage for nearly 20 yrs. Makes me wonder where Piccolo and the others went.