Theories On the Origin of Black

[Hakaishin Saitama]

Ki, or Chi, usually refers to spiritual energies, so I imagine that it would switch along with him.

That is a possibility, but if spiritual energies are tied to the soul of a being then why would Zamasu (as Black) stand to gain such power from switching physical bodies with Goku? Same with captain Ginyu stealing Goku's body. There'd be no gains to be made if the ability to produce and use ki wasn't tied to the physical body of a being (e.g. Saiyans).

Maybe ki is a mix of physical and spiritual qualities - that might explain why Black, with Zamasu's soul and Goku's body, has different colored energy attacks than both Zamasu and Goku.

At any rate, I'm not expecting the anime or Toyotaro to go into those kinds of details... maybe the latter.

[Flamzeron]

These are all pretty interesting theories. I'm also glad to know I wasn't the only one suspecting that Gowasu might have a hand in this. It makes sense to me that, as his mentor, Gowasu would understand Zamasu's feelings about humanity and such, from a standpoint of trying to mentor Zamasu into not being a meanie face, plus all the other evidence people have pointed out (Gowasu changing the subject with the time ring thing, Gowasu watching Goku and Hit's fight, etc.)

What do you guys think about the possibilities of Gowasu being in Future Zamasu's immortal body? In episode 57, when Goku fights Zamasu for a bit, he notes that something is different about this version of Zamasu. Plus, during that episode, when it is revealed about his immortality, he describes it as "THIS immortal body" (at least in the subs I watched.) That's an odd way to phrase it if you are still in your own body, in my opinion. Also, and this is minor, but in episode 59, when Black and Zamasu are at their house, Zamasu is seen drinking tea and sitting. I may be misremembering, but I don't recall Zamasu sitting and drinking tea that much in the show. He always struck me as the brewer and server of the tea, mainly as a gesture towards his master. It's pretty loose conjecture, but I like the idea of Gowasu being involved some how. I feel like it would be too obvious if Zamasu is the only perpetrator.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

These are all pretty interesting theories. I'm also glad to know I wasn't the only one suspecting that Gowasu might have a hand in this. It makes sense to me that, as his mentor, Gowasu would understand Zamasu's feelings about humanity and such, from a standpoint of trying to mentor Zamasu into not being a meanie face, plus all the other evidence people have pointed out (Gowasu changing the subject with the time ring thing, Gowasu watching Goku and Hit's fight, etc.)

What do you guys think about the possibilities of Gowasu being in Future Zamasu's immortal body? In episode 57, when Goku fights Zamasu for a bit, he notes that something is different about this version of Zamasu. Plus, during that episode, when it is revealed about his immortality, he describes it as "THIS immortal body" (at least in the subs I watched.) That's an odd way to phrase it if you are still in your own body, in my opinion. Also, and this is minor, but in episode 59, when Black and Zamasu are at their house, Zamasu is seen drinking tea and sitting. I may be misremembering, but I don't recall Zamasu sitting and drinking tea that much in the show. He always struck me as the brewer and server of the tea, mainly as a gesture towards his master. It's pretty loose conjecture, but I like the idea of Gowasu being involved some how. I feel like it would be too obvious if Zamasu is the only perpetrator.

I don't think it's very likely, Gowasu seems like a generic placeholder character, only existing as a catalyst for proving Zamasu's guilt.

[Kishido]

I have a question.. if we assume that Black is from the unseen 4th timeline and Zamasu from Trunks timeline it lefts out Cells timeline... what about the Zamasu there? Ok there is no Goku, Trunks or whoever but still it exists

[gofishus]

These are all pretty interesting theories. I'm also glad to know I wasn't the only one suspecting that Gowasu might have a hand in this. It makes sense to me that, as his mentor, Gowasu would understand Zamasu's feelings about humanity and such, from a standpoint of trying to mentor Zamasu into not being a meanie face, plus all the other evidence people have pointed out (Gowasu changing the subject with the time ring thing, Gowasu watching Goku and Hit's fight, etc.)

What do you guys think about the possibilities of Gowasu being in Future Zamasu's immortal body? In episode 57, when Goku fights Zamasu for a bit, he notes that something is different about this version of Zamasu. Plus, during that episode, when it is revealed about his immortality, he describes it as "THIS immortal body" (at least in the subs I watched.) That's an odd way to phrase it if you are still in your own body, in my opinion. Also, and this is minor, but in episode 59, when Black and Zamasu are at their house, Zamasu is seen drinking tea and sitting. I may be misremembering, but I don't recall Zamasu sitting and drinking tea that much in the show. He always struck me as the brewer and server of the tea, mainly as a gesture towards his master. It's pretty loose conjecture, but I like the idea of Gowasu being involved some how. I feel like it would be too obvious if Zamasu is the only perpetrator.

This is dumb. Gowasu is written to be a good character. End of story. The writers have kept it pretty simple throughout. This is just a dumb a theory as Goten being Black. It's wayyyy out there.

[dragonballhero]

Considering what Zamasu said, I'm honestly getting this weird feeling that Black is STILL the real Goku, with (MOST OF) Zamasu's MINDSET, rather than them totally switching bodies, Captain Ginyu-style. Mainly from him saying he doesn't want immortality, and claiming he'll get stronger by his own strength. Seems like a very Goku/Saiyan thing to say, doesn't it?

That would go directly against his character, so I doubt it. The impulse for self-improvement probably comes from his new biology. Saiyan hormones and stuff.

I agree with the thought above. Zamasu performed a pure body switch with Goku (captain Ginyu style) but with the Super DBs. Inheriting the saiyan body influenced his thinking so he likes getting stronger, wants a good fight, etc. just like any other saiyan - I doubt there's any mental remnants of the actual 'Goku' in there. I'm wondering if that will somehow lead to a situation where, even though Black and Zamasu have the same goals, the saiyan influence will backfire and lead to some... issues between the two.

Of note, I think that Black had very recently wished for this body change since he hadn't fully mastered Goku's body's powers yet, and as we've seen with the story so far Black progresses insanely fast (which makes sense since Zamasu is a fighting prodigy but his original body wasn't able to progress as quickly as a saiyan's).

One of the things about Black that kind of confuses me is Black has god ki in his base form (you can see this when he first encounters and fights Goku in the present). I don't know why his god ki would transfer with his mind into Goku... unless god ki is more a mental state of being (perfect ki control) versus physical inheritance. I guess it could have been included in the transfer wish, but I doubt that...

I had thought that the 'idiot' that Gawasu referred to when describing how a few years ago another time ring appeared was Trunks using the time machine, but now I'm wondering if that was somehow caused by Black travelling into the future and creating a different timeline due to his actions (not sure if that's possible with the time rings, though).

Yeah, that's what I was more or less trying to get at. A Saiyan's love/thirst for battle is practically coded into their DNA, isn't it? Who's to say that said DNA isn't currently influencing some, if not most, of the current decisions and behavior in Zamasu-in-Goku's body more and more right now? Also, if anyone has read Marvel Comics, does anyone think that Black's conception seems to strongly resemble that of the X-Men villain, Onslaught? Lately, I've been drawing some parallels between him and Black...

BTW, something just occurred to me. I think that Zamasu might just be the FIRST villain in all of Dragon Ball's history to possibly straight up murder Goku/"DIRECTLY" take Goku's life. Seriously, I've been thinking about this ever since Black revealed that he killed Goku after stealing his body. I mean, think about the two times in the ENTIRE series in which Goku has actually died:

Raditz - Goku HAD to do what he did, holding Raditz in a Full-Nelson if it would help Piccolo get a clean shot at him.
Cell - With Cell seconds away from self-destructing and taking the entire planet along with him, Goku had no other option left but to teleport him off the planet.

What do these things have in common? Goku WILLINGLY sacrificed himself for the greater good of the world/galaxy/universe. This time around, I REALLY doubt such a situation would arise in terms of Black killing him, which is what makes me think Zamasu might just be the first villain in the franchise as a whole to pull off what countless others have tried to do and failed: Actually kill Son Goku. No sacrifices or any other special cases. I just feel like I should mention it. I don't know why, but something about that makes me really commend Zamasu with a lot of credit as a villain.

[Luke Groundwalker]

After observing the current info we have, I really really think Black is the Zamasu from the Unseen Timeline. It's possible there might be another timeline split which is a popular theory right now due to the five time rings, despite that contradicting established rules about time travel in the series. If not, and Black actually does come from ANOTHER 5th timeline created by Trunks, that means there's potentially another set of Zamasu Goku and Trunks might have to deal with which could be problematic. Anyway, here's what I'm thinking...

Cell's Timeline
- Goku dies from heart disease
- Trunks kills Androids and tries going back to the Unseen Timeline until Cell kills him and takes his Time Machine.
- Majin Boo is never awakened because there's LITERALLY no energy to gain here, not even Trunks or Cell or anything.
- Kaioshin and Beerus are still alive.
- Zamasu doesn't encounter Goku whatsoever and therefor his plans don't come to fruition.

Unseen TImeline
- Goku is saved from heart disease
- Androids are defeated but Trunks never comes back.
- The events of Cell arc, Boo arc, Battle of Gods arc, Resurrection F arc, Universe 6 arc take place with some differences
- Trunks and Black doesn't exist, so Goku never meets Zamasu like he did in the Black arc.
- Zamasu sees Goku surpassing the power of Gods on Godtube, creates a plan on obtaining his body.
- Zamasu uses the Super Dragonballs to switch bodies with Goku, then kills Goku.
- Zamasu, now Goku Black, takes all the Time Rings and travels to every timeline until he can find one where Beerus is dead...

Trunks' Timeline (Aka the Godless Timeline)
- Goku dies from heart disease
- Trunks kills the Androids and Cell after travelling to the Main Timeline and getting stronger.
- Due to Trunks providing energy, Babidi and Dabura are able to awaken Majin Boo.
- Trunks defeats Dabura and Babidi with the help of Kaioshin, however Kaioshin dies in the process as does Beerus.
- Goku Black finds this timeline, one without any gods to interfere, and starts initiating his plans by killing every Kaioshin in every universe.
- Zamasu doesn't encounter Goku, but encounters Goku Black instead who convinces him of a Zero Mortal Plan.
- Zamasu uses the Super Dragonballs to wish for immortality.
- Goku Black ravages the Earth, encounters Trunks.
- Trunks uses his time machine to go back to the Main Timeline.

Main TImeline
- Goku is saved from heart disease
- Trunks travels back here to warn the others of Goku Black.
- Goku Black slips into the present due to an anomaly in time, but gets pushed back into Trunks' Timeline.
- Whis notices that Black's ki is similar to Zamasu's in Universe 10, and goes to investigate.
- Zamasu encounters Goku here and his hatred for mortals begins.
- However Beerus, Whis, Goku, and Kaioshin apprehend him before he gets a chance to do this and obliterates him.

[Nejishiki]

Nothing is contradicted so far. The timeline splits from the original story are still referenced in Dragon Ball Super. If there is a fourth split, then one can't say it's contradictory without the context behind it. Personally, again if it exists, I don't think it would belong to Future Trunks.

I warn you the next segment of my post is just being technical and literal. It's not meant to nitpick incessantly, since I'm sure it'll look this way. For Cell's era, Boo being unable to revive isn't necessarily true. The amount of energy required hastened thanks to our protagonists. It can still sluggishly accumulate. The fates of Kaioshin and Beerus are unknown, therefore anything can be crafted for them. Cell's era is a wildcard, in general. For the unseen era, only the Cell Games are confirmed to happen. Of course, events must have been wildly divergent. Additional arcs are debatable. I would think things such as Beerus seeking Super Saiyan God transpired, but this era is yet another wildcard. It can be written however Toriyama wishes without contradiction. Relating to my next point, there isn't anything specifically discounting a Zamasu meeting with alternate circumstances. Goku Black hopping across dimensions and murdering Kaioshin is a manga-only fact, for now. I'd hold off on attributing Zamasu to the unseen era. The same goes for thinking Goku Black jumped into Future Trunks' era. It's not explicit yet. Boo was prevented from being awakened in Future Trunks' era. We know Goku Black and Future Zamasu meet at the Kaioshin Realm (It looks like it, at least), but the circumstances of who met who first may be misleading in the Next Episode Preview.

[Veilmurder]

I am going to leave my theory about the timeline of Black that I posted on reddit and a lot of people seemed to agree. The details about how the black timeline works are hard to be sure about, but I am confident that Black comes from a timeline in which Trunks didn't arrive in episode 46. It's the only timeline in which Zamasu would find a Goku with God Ki on it. Without God Ki, Zamasu wouldn't be interested in Goku. And I doubt that all the events in the Buu Saga in a timeline without Cell could lead to Goku becoming the ssjGod in BoG. And I find it that it would be too complex to explain in a 20 min episode. Toei wouldn't do that. The Unseen timeline is something only dedicated fans know or think about, you can't explain that to children easily.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Nothing is contradicted so far. The timeline splits from the original story are still referenced in Dragon Ball Super. If there is a fourth split, then one can't say it's contradictory without the context behind it. Personally, again if it exists, I don't think it would belong to Future Trunks.

I warn you the next segment of my post is just being technical and literal. It's not meant to nitpick incessantly, since I'm sure it'll look this way. For Cell's era, Boo being unable to revive isn't necessarily true. The amount of energy required hastened thanks to our protagonists. It can still sluggishly accumulate. The fates of Kaioshin and Beerus are unknown, therefore anything can be crafted for them. Cell's era is a wildcard, in general. For the unseen era, only the Cell Games are confirmed to happen. Of course, events must have been wildly divergent. Additional arcs are debatable. I would think things such as Beerus seeking Super Saiyan God transpired, but this era is yet another wildcard. It can be written however Toriyama wishes without contradiction. Relating to my next point, there isn't anything specifically discounting a Zamasu meeting with alternate circumstances. Goku Black hopping across dimensions and murdering Kaioshin is a manga-only fact, for now. I'd hold off on attributing Zamasu to the unseen era. The same goes for thinking Goku Black jumped into Future Trunks' era. It's not explicit yet. Boo was prevented from being awakened in Future Trunks' era. We know Goku Black and Future Zamasu meet at the Kaioshin Realm (It looks like it, at least), but the circumstances of who met who first may be misleading in the Next Episode Preview.

However so far literally everything related to bigger plotlines has been consistent between both the anime and manga. The manga specifically implies that Future Trunks' timeline isn't the timeline Black is from, as well as the Kaioshin comment as well. Toyotaro just likes to drop info that's supposed to be shown much later (in the anime) earlier on to keep his manga more viable despite how behind it is. That's why the Kaioshin and Hakaioshin link was mentioned in the manga before it was in the anime. Yes currently it's Manga-only, but there's nothing to suggest it won't transition to the anime since it isn't simply a superfluous difference like the Goku vs. Hit battle using two different transformations. These are major plotlines that are likely to be revealed in more depth in future episodes of the anime.

Also if the fifth timeline theory is true, there should be even more timelines just from Trunks' travel in the Android arc. However Dragonball has established that you only really need to travel back in time once to create a split, and after that you can freely traverse between the two timelines which is what's occuring right now in Dragonball Super.

[gofishus]

After observing the current info we have, I really really think Black is the Zamasu from the Unseen Timeline. It's possible there might be another timeline split which is a popular theory right now due to the five time rings, despite that contradicting established rules about time travel in the series. If not, and Black actually does come from ANOTHER 5th timeline created by Trunks, that means there's potentially another set of Zamasu Goku and Trunks might have to deal with which could be problematic. Anyway, here's what I'm thinking...

Cell's Timeline
- Goku dies from heart disease
- Trunks kills Androids and tries going back to the Unseen Timeline until Cell kills him and takes his Time Machine.
- Majin Boo is never awakened because there's LITERALLY no energy to gain here, not even Trunks or Cell or anything.
- Kaioshin and Beerus are still alive.
- Zamasu doesn't encounter Goku whatsoever and therefor his plans don't come to fruition.

Unseen TImeline
- Goku is saved from heart disease
- Androids are defeated but Trunks never comes back.
- The events of Cell arc, Boo arc, Battle of Gods arc, Resurrection F arc, Universe 6 arc take place with some differences
- Trunks and Black doesn't exist, so Goku never meets Zamasu like he did in the Black arc.
- Zamasu sees Goku surpassing the power of Gods on Godtube, creates a plan on obtaining his body.
- Zamasu uses the Super Dragonballs to switch bodies with Goku, then kills Goku.
- Zamasu, now Goku Black, takes all the Time Rings and travels to every timeline until he can find one where Beerus is dead...

Trunks' Timeline (Aka the Godless Timeline)
- Goku dies from heart disease
- Trunks kills the Androids and Cell after travelling to the Main Timeline and getting stronger.
- Due to Trunks providing energy, Babidi and Dabura are able to awaken Majin Boo.
- Trunks defeats Dabura and Babidi with the help of Kaioshin, however Kaioshin dies in the process as does Beerus.
- Goku Black finds this timeline, one without any gods to interfere, and starts initiating his plans by killing every Kaioshin in every universe.
- Zamasu doesn't encounter Goku, but encounters Goku Black instead who convinces him of a Zero Mortal Plan.
- Zamasu uses the Super Dragonballs to wish for immortality.
- Goku Black ravages the Earth, encounters Trunks.
- Trunks uses his time machine to go back to the Main Timeline.

Main TImeline
- Goku is saved from heart disease
- Trunks travels back here to warn the others of Goku Black.
- Goku Black slips into the present due to an anomaly in time, but gets pushed back into Trunks' Timeline.
- Whis notices that Black's ki is similar to Zamasu's in Universe 10, and goes to investigate.
- Zamasu encounters Goku here and his hatred for mortals begins.
- However Beerus, Whis, Goku, and Kaioshin apprehend him before he gets a chance to do this and obliterates him.

Yup. Totally viable, and this is not unprecedented either, since we already had a villain in DBZ come from an unseen timeline (Cell)

[vilker]

I repeat my theory from months ago:


We have a timeline (1) when Trunks advice about Black, and Bills destroys Zamasu. So there is other future timeline (2) where Black never arrived because Bills destroys Zamasu before.
If there is no Black, Trunks never would travel to the past and He would live in peace with Bulma and Mai.
So there is a new timeline (3) where Trunks never arrived from the future because there was no Black, here Zamasu could do his plans, change Goku body to became Black and go to the Trunks timeline (4) where doing his plans with Zamasu 4 becoming inmortal because there was no Bills, and here is when the circle starts.

So there is a fucking paradojical vicious circle between 4 lines, it's necessary to have 4 timeline to explain this bullshit as in Cell saga, 2 presents and 2 futures but not the old 4 timelines created in Cell saga, only main timeline, Trunks destruction timeline, Zamasu timeline and Trunks peace timeline.

[Alruneia]

Cell's Timeline
- Goku dies from heart disease
- Trunks kills Androids and tries going back to the Unseen Timeline until Cell kills him and takes his Time Machine.
- Majin Boo is never awakened because there's LITERALLY no energy to gain here, not even Trunks or Cell or anything.
- Kaioshin and Beerus are still alive.
- Zamasu doesn't encounter Goku whatsoever and therefor his plans don't come to fruition.

Unseen Timeline
- Goku is saved from heart disease
- Androids are defeated but Trunks never comes back.
- The events of Cell arc, Boo arc, Battle of Gods arc, Resurrection F arc, Universe 6 arc take place with some differences
- Trunks and Black doesn't exist, so Goku never meets Zamasu like he did in the Black arc.
- Zamasu sees Goku surpassing the power of Gods on Godtube, creates a plan on obtaining his body.
- Zamasu uses the Super Dragonballs to switch bodies with Goku, then kills Goku.
- Zamasu, now Goku Black, takes all the Time Rings and travels to every timeline until he can find one where Beerus is dead...

Trunks' Timeline (Aka the Godless Timeline)
- Goku dies from heart disease
- Trunks kills the Androids and Cell after travelling to the Main Timeline and getting stronger.
- Due to Trunks providing energy, Babidi and Dabura are able to awaken Majin Boo.
- Trunks defeats Dabura and Babidi with the help of Kaioshin, however Kaioshin dies in the process as does Beerus.
- Goku Black finds this timeline, one without any gods to interfere, and starts initiating his plans by killing every Kaioshin in every universe.
- Zamasu doesn't encounter Goku, but encounters Goku Black instead who convinces him of a Zero Mortal Plan.
- Zamasu uses the Super Dragonballs to wish for immortality.
- Goku Black ravages the Earth, encounters Trunks.
- Trunks uses his time machine to go back to the Main Timeline.

Main Timeline
- Goku is saved from heart disease
- Trunks travels back here to warn the others of Goku Black.
- Goku Black slips into the present due to an anomaly in time, but gets pushed back into Trunks' Timeline.
- Whis notices that Black's ki is similar to Zamasu's in Universe 10, and goes to investigate.
- Zamasu encounters Goku here and his hatred for mortals begins.
- However Beerus, Whis, Goku, and Kaioshin apprehend him before he gets a chance to do this and obliterates him.

I really appreciate the work you put into this. It's a very well put together theory, and it doesn't need a fifth timeline to work (depending more on some pretty fair assumptions for the unseen timeline, namely that it closely resembles the main timeline). Until something else is proven, this is what I believe as well.

[dragonballhero]

After observing the current info we have, I really really think Black is the Zamasu from the Unseen Timeline. It's possible there might be another timeline split which is a popular theory right now due to the five time rings, despite that contradicting established rules about time travel in the series. If not, and Black actually does come from ANOTHER 5th timeline created by Trunks, that means there's potentially another set of Zamasu Goku and Trunks might have to deal with which could be problematic. Anyway, here's what I'm thinking...

Cell's Timeline
- Goku dies from heart disease
- Trunks kills Androids and tries going back to the Unseen Timeline until Cell kills him and takes his Time Machine.
- Majin Boo is never awakened because there's LITERALLY no energy to gain here, not even Trunks or Cell or anything.
- Kaioshin and Beerus are still alive.
- Zamasu doesn't encounter Goku whatsoever and therefor his plans don't come to fruition.

Unseen TImeline
- Goku is saved from heart disease
- Androids are defeated but Trunks never comes back.
- The events of Cell arc, Boo arc, Battle of Gods arc, Resurrection F arc, Universe 6 arc take place with some differences
- Trunks and Black doesn't exist, so Goku never meets Zamasu like he did in the Black arc.
- Zamasu sees Goku surpassing the power of Gods on Godtube, creates a plan on obtaining his body.
- Zamasu uses the Super Dragonballs to switch bodies with Goku, then kills Goku.
- Zamasu, now Goku Black, takes all the Time Rings and travels to every timeline until he can find one where Beerus is dead...

Trunks' Timeline (Aka the Godless Timeline)
- Goku dies from heart disease
- Trunks kills the Androids and Cell after travelling to the Main Timeline and getting stronger.
- Due to Trunks providing energy, Babidi and Dabura are able to awaken Majin Boo.
- Trunks defeats Dabura and Babidi with the help of Kaioshin, however Kaioshin dies in the process as does Beerus.
- Goku Black finds this timeline, one without any gods to interfere, and starts initiating his plans by killing every Kaioshin in every universe.
- Zamasu doesn't encounter Goku, but encounters Goku Black instead who convinces him of a Zero Mortal Plan.
- Zamasu uses the Super Dragonballs to wish for immortality.
- Goku Black ravages the Earth, encounters Trunks.
- Trunks uses his time machine to go back to the Main Timeline.

Main TImeline
- Goku is saved from heart disease
- Trunks travels back here to warn the others of Goku Black.
- Goku Black slips into the present due to an anomaly in time, but gets pushed back into Trunks' Timeline.
- Whis notices that Black's ki is similar to Zamasu's in Universe 10, and goes to investigate.
- Zamasu encounters Goku here and his hatred for mortals begins.
- However Beerus, Whis, Goku, and Kaioshin apprehend him before he gets a chance to do this and obliterates him.

I LOVE the effort you've put into this. I don't think I could ever make such a comprehensive list without getting lost myself. Heck, it actually gets me a bit more hyped to see how Black truly came to be this week!

[Pluto]

After observing the current info we have, I really really think Black is the Zamasu from the Unseen Timeline. It's possible there might be another timeline split which is a popular theory right now due to the five time rings, despite that contradicting established rules about time travel in the series. If not, and Black actually does come from ANOTHER 5th timeline created by Trunks, that means there's potentially another set of Zamasu Goku and Trunks might have to deal with which could be problematic. Anyway, here's what I'm thinking...

Cell's Timeline
- Goku dies from heart disease
- Trunks kills Androids and tries going back to the Unseen Timeline until Cell kills him and takes his Time Machine.
- Majin Boo is never awakened because there's LITERALLY no energy to gain here, not even Trunks or Cell or anything.
- Kaioshin and Beerus are still alive.
- Zamasu doesn't encounter Goku whatsoever and therefor his plans don't come to fruition.

Unseen TImeline
- Goku is saved from heart disease
- Androids are defeated but Trunks never comes back.
- The events of Cell arc, Boo arc, Battle of Gods arc, Resurrection F arc, Universe 6 arc take place with some differences
- Trunks and Black doesn't exist, so Goku never meets Zamasu like he did in the Black arc.
- Zamasu sees Goku surpassing the power of Gods on Godtube, creates a plan on obtaining his body.
- Zamasu uses the Super Dragonballs to switch bodies with Goku, then kills Goku.
- Zamasu, now Goku Black, takes all the Time Rings and travels to every timeline until he can find one where Beerus is dead...

Trunks' Timeline (Aka the Godless Timeline)
- Goku dies from heart disease
- Trunks kills the Androids and Cell after travelling to the Main Timeline and getting stronger.
- Due to Trunks providing energy, Babidi and Dabura are able to awaken Majin Boo.
- Trunks defeats Dabura and Babidi with the help of Kaioshin, however Kaioshin dies in the process as does Beerus.
- Goku Black finds this timeline, one without any gods to interfere, and starts initiating his plans by killing every Kaioshin in every universe.
- Zamasu doesn't encounter Goku, but encounters Goku Black instead who convinces him of a Zero Mortal Plan.
- Zamasu uses the Super Dragonballs to wish for immortality.
- Goku Black ravages the Earth, encounters Trunks.
- Trunks uses his time machine to go back to the Main Timeline.

Main TImeline
- Goku is saved from heart disease
- Trunks travels back here to warn the others of Goku Black.
- Goku Black slips into the present due to an anomaly in time, but gets pushed back into Trunks' Timeline.
- Whis notices that Black's ki is similar to Zamasu's in Universe 10, and goes to investigate.
- Zamasu encounters Goku here and his hatred for mortals begins.
- However Beerus, Whis, Goku, and Kaioshin apprehend him before he gets a chance to do this and obliterates him.

SPOT ON!!! I wonder if we'll have a "Clean up the timelines arc", i can already see Zeno giving Goku explicitly the permission to do it.

With this theory making all sense, can we conclude, assume or suppose that timetravel affects all universes simultaneously? As in, all other universes will have exactly the same set of rings?

This may be connected with the 6 other Universes that were destroyed.

[Anime Kitten]

Sorry to not bring anything to the actual discussion, but why does everyone keep quoting the same long post without Spoilering it?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I only use the spoiler function for actual spoilers, unless the rules of the thread mandate otherwise. I assume it's happening because clutter isn't that big of a deal on this type of thread, so there's no need to put in the extra effort to make things compact.