The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Khin]

[As many have pointed out, Trunks seemed to be matching Rosé Black, though he apparently just got a lucky shot. I just figured I'd ask to see what people thought.

Then you should have just have Super Saiyan 2 Trunks, since that was the form Trunks used to kick Super Saiyan Rosé Black to the ground. Though given Black powered up after he got up, It's likely that he was suppressing his power at that time.

[Hugo Boss]

I'm curious about why you created this match. Do you have any reason to think Trunks could have a chance?

As many have pointed out, Trunks seemed to be matching Rosé Black, though he apparently just got a lucky shot. I just figured I'd ask to see what people thought.

I see. In this case, why not use Super Saiyan Trunks? I don't think he is able to beat Super Saiyan Blue yet, but this is at least the form he used when everyone was more or less even.

[Anime Kitten]

Honestly, I was going to bump Trunks up a form if he kept losing. So, here's the proper way I'll do it:

Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection 'F') VS Super Saiyan Future Trunks (Zamasu Arc)
Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection 'F') VS Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks (Zamasu Arc)
Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection 'F') VS Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks (Zamasu Arc)

[Khin]

Honestly, I was going to bump Trunks up a form if he kept losing. So, here's the proper way I'll do it:

Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection 'F') VS Super Saiyan Future Trunks (Zamasu Arc)
Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection 'F') VS Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks (Zamasu Arc)
Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection 'F') VS Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks (Zamasu Arc)

Assuming you're referring to Post-episode 55 Trunks, then...

• Trunks gets destroyed.
• Basically a repeat of the whole Cell vs. Grade III Trunks thing. Super Saiyan Grade 3 is the most useless transformation, it doesn't matter if you're stronger or equal to your opponent if you can't land a hit on him.
• I reckon they are more or less equals. But Goku has the skill to take down Trunks, though it will be a one hell of a fight.

[Bullza]

Black vs Staff Officer Black

[Steven Bloodriver]

Black vs Staff Officer Black

Do you mean Goku Black for the former? If that's the case, then the psychotic body-snatcher would effortlessly beat Staff Officer Black.

[Roronoa-pt]

Black vs Staff Officer Black

A blackie fight.

Goku Black sneezes and destroys Officer Black.

[Roronoa-pt]

Future Trunks ( base ) vs SSJ Goten & SSJ Trunks
Future Mai vs Launch
Piccolo & SSJ2 Future Trunks vs Present Zamasu

1) Which version of the future son of Vegeta do you mean? The base form of Future Trunks once he returns to his time after the Cell Games would be more than enough to have him have the advantage over both Super Saiyan Goten and Super Saiyan Trunks.

2) Is this against the good or bad version of Launch? Future Mai would effortlessly beat the Good Launch, but the Bad Launch would be a serious problem.

3) Is this Mr. Piccolo and Future Trunks from Dragon Ball Super? If so, then they would win with no problem whatsoever against the Zamasu that Beerus the Destroyer instantly rendered beyond dead.

1) Base Future Trunks from DBS.
2) The bad version of Launch. The blonde one.
3) Yes, Piccolo and Future Trunks from DBS.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) Super Saiyan Kid Gohan (Frieza Saga) vs. Fourth Form Frieza (right after he had killed Dende).

2) Super Saiyan Goku (Frieza Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Frieza Saga).

[Kaboom]

Gohan and Kuririn (At the start of the Freeza fight) vs. Kaiou-ken Goku (Against Ginyu)
Emotions are off.

200k and 75k against a strained 180k that only happens in bursts? I think the odds are in Gohan and Kuririn's favor.

Yamcha, Goku and Kuririn (End of the first arc) vs Gyuumaou

We don't actually have much to go by for Ox-King's strength, but at this early point in the story I'm betting he's still much stronger than any of them. It probably wouldn't be until he 22nd Tournament period that they eclipsed him.

Pui-pui VS Captain Ginyu (Frieza Saga)

I usually give Pui-Pui some due credit as one of "the universe's strongest fighters" and place him anywhere between Oozaru Vegeta (180k) and 1st-form Freeza (530k). Even on the low end of that range, he's still stronger than Captain Ginyu at 120k and wins pretty easily.

Base Trunks (Manga, Current) VS Base Goku (Current)
Gohan (BoG) VS Goku (BoG)
SSJ3 Gotenks (BoG) VS SSJ3 Goku (BoG)
Raging Vegeta (Bog) VS Vegeta (Current, Without SSJB)
Base Gohan (Current) VS Piccolo (Current)
SSJ Gohan (Current) VS Piccolo (Current)
Vados VS Whis

-Super, pass.
- If Gohan still has access to at least most of his "Ultimate" power he wins without too much trouble. If he's already well on the road to being unable to access any of it in Resurrection F then maybe SS3 Goku's stronger than him now. I doubt it, though.
- No doubt about this one, though. If Gotenks is still capable of SS3 then he can still smoke Goku.
- Super, pass.
- No good way to tell. Super's been real sloppy about portraying Gohan's power. He could still be quasi-ultimate and significantly stronger than Piccolo in base while still nowhere near his full power and needing Super Saiyan to make up for it.
- At the very least, both RF and Super clearly show that Super Saiyan Gohan is stronger than Piccolo.
- Wasn't Vados said to be stronger? If so, I've got no reason not to believe it.

Mr. Satan vs. Captain Chicken.
The fight takes place on a fully evacuated, indestructible planet.

The planet itself may be indestructible, but the fabric of time and space around it is so irreparably damaged by this battle of titans that nobody's ever able to observe the outcome. It's possible they're still locked in combat to this day.

Kid Goku (Pilaf Saga) vs Hercule
Arale vs Hercule
SS3 Gotenks (DBS RF) vs SS2 GT Kid Goku
SSGSS Goku (EoZ) vs Whis
Angry Uub vs Kid Buu
Baby Pan vs Pilaf, Mai, and Shu (Androids Saga) Before Becoming Babies
Nam vs Eighter
End of Z Goku SS3 vs Black
Krillin (Cell Games Saga) vs Imperfect Cell (No Absorbtions)
Yamcha (Other World Kid Buu Saga) vs First Form Freeza

- Goku's power level (i.e. amount of ki) is "only" twice as much as a regular Earthling's at this point, but his Saiyan physiology already makes him much stronger than any regular joe, even a stronger-than-average regular average joe like Mr. Satan.
- Can Mr. Satan crack the Earth in half with a punch? Nyoooope.
- GT Logic: Goku wins by virtue of being GT Goku. Super Logic{/b]: Goku wins because he's Goku. Normal Logic: Inapplicable.
- Super Saiyan Blue doesn't exist in Z's ending. If Whis does and is out there somewhere, he wins by default.
- Angry Oob only showed off enough power to challenge a base Goku moderately stronger than his Boo-arc self, confirming that he was who Goku thought he was and showing promise if he was trained. He doesn't even come close to his past-life self yet. Even IF he did, his quick, sloppy, fleeting bursts of anger power aren't going to do any lasting damage, and Pure Boo wins anyway.
- Super. Don't care. Pass.
- I might have things mixed up, but I think Eighter was stronger than Goku, who'd already beaten Nam? Eighter wins, then. Nam's techniques are great but they probably wouldn't do much against an Android with a sizable power advantage.
- Super. Don't care. Pass.
- Despite being the strongest Earthling, Kuririn would be lucky to ever measure up to 1st-form Freeza, much less someone like Cell.
- Filler Yamcha's power is only effective against other Filler characters. Freeza is not one, unfortunately.

Beerus, Whis, Zeno,kai priest VS Pre crisis superman, Superman prime, superman 1 million, superman cosmic armor

Cosmic Armor Superman is so overpowered and broken that he transcends the fourth wall, being a personification of a literary hero driven by narrative power. He exists outside of the multi-franchise multiverse, and is aware of things like the reader looking at him.

The only character in all of Dragon Ball who could challenge him is Arale, and the only one who could beat him is The Tori-Bot. He doesn't need help from his teammates, and wills the opposing team out of existence with a thought.

1.) Namek Kamiccolo vs Initial FF Frieza
2.) Nappa, Piccolo, Tien & Krillin vs Base Goku(bloodlust)
3.) Yamcha vs Raditz
4.) Bloodlusted Kid Gohan(post-saiyan training) vs Piccolo
5.) Fresh Kamicollo, Tien, 17 & 18 vs Imperfect Cell(Post-Humans)
4.) Ginger Town Piccolo vs Pre-ROSAT SSJ Goku, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Trunks
5.) Base Goku(Post-KK) vs Great Ape Kid Gohan
6.) Yajirobe & Master Roshi vs Spopovich and Yamu
7.) Mystic Gohan (Buu Saga) vs SSJ2 Trunks (DBS)
8.) Serious SSJ3 Gotenks (Buu saga) vs Super Janemba
9.) SSJ Goten & SSJ Trunks (WMAT) vs 2 Cell Jrs
10.) Full Power Garlic Jr vs Vegeta (Post-Namek)

1) Re-merging with Kami doubles Piccolo's power, which makes him about as strong as Goku's 3 million at best. So he can put up a fight for a while, but Freeza still wins.
2) Goku picks them all apart. Nappa is the only one with the durability to withstand his blows, but if Goku's not holding back or looking for a fun fight, that won't last long enough to matter.
3) This is post-training Saiyan arc Yamcha, I assume. In that case, he's practically equal with Raditz in power (1,480 vs 1,500) but as an Earthling fighter he's got more going for him in technique and power amplification. So putting aside his Yamcha-ness, he wins this one.
4) The best Gohan put out (the 2,800 angry Masenko) was still less than Piccolo's best (3,500), so based on that Piccolo wins.
5) With the Android twins as backup and Ten's Kikoho as a possible annoyer, Piccolo wins this. Cell's power advantage over him wasn't necessarily THAT big, and I'm sure being tired from his fight with 17 was a big factor in Pic's helplessness.
6) If it's the current, improved Muten Roshi from Resurrection F, then he probably stomps Spopovich and Yamu into the dirt all by himself.
7) Going by Super's halfway-consistent manga, Ultimate Gohan was still much, much stronger than anyone who's not SS3 Gotenks or godly-powered. His full power makes very short work of Trunks.
8) Gotenks can be as serious as he wants, but he's not beating someone who's only a small notch weaker than Evil Boo's absorption forms and has just as many tricks up his sleeve.
9) The kids lose. They're not quite as strong as the Cell Juniors, don't have much in the way of fighting skills yet, and can't really match the Juniors' brutality.
10) Y'know, I'm still not sure how powerful Garlic Jr was supposed to be during his filler arc, because it's been so long since I last tried to watch it. Pass.

Mr. Incredible (the Incredibles) runs the Dragonball gauntlet (Bob is healed after every round and we're using Bob in his prime from the flashback at the beginning of the film).

I agree with DanielSSJ, I think. Bob's first real challenge would probably be General Blue, whom he's most likely clever enough to prevail against somehow. But then there's a big jump between that and Jackie Chun, who's capable of using massive, high-scale destruction ki attacks, which Bob probably can't overcome.

Vegeta vs Piccolo if their power levels are the same?
I'd say Piccolo. He has regeneration, stretchy limbs and arguably better strategy.

Could go either way, I think. They're both amazingly skilled fighters, and while Piccolo's got his Namekian abilities, Vegeta's also got the natural Saiyan durability and tenacity. But there's also that "Saiyans get stronger the longer they fight" thing, so if the battle goes on for long enough, then Vegeta would probably gain the advantage and win.

Gotenks vs Gohan, same power levels!

Putting aside both of their natural propensities for failure... gonna give it to Gohan. When he fights seriously, he's pretty smart and perceptive, and doesn't mess around (except for cases like SS2 against Cell when his train of thought was clouded by the new form's power). He's going to fight analytically, figure out Gotenks' tricks, and if nothing else outlast him.

Goku vs Shaggy (Scooby Doo)
-All-out eating contest
-Morals off
-Both are pork-blood-lusted
-Arena is Nathan's Hot Dog Competition

Goku seems to be full and it looks like Shaggy is pulling ahead... but then Goku goes for a quick jog. His Saiyan metabolism quickly burns off what he's eaten and he makes a miraculous comeback, eating easily twice as much as Shaggy in the end.

How about this: If every DB character were to participate in a rap battle tournament, who would win?

Goku wins. Surprisingly, his final and best battle is against Bra.

Mr.Satan vs Bear Bandit
SSJ2 Future Trunks (Manga) vs Super Boo (Piccolo-absorbed)
SSJ Trunks and SSJ Goten (Boo Arc, Pre-RoSaT) vs SSJ Gohan (Cell Games)

- I don't think Mr. Satan has the raw physical strength required to beat an 8-foot-tall, 99% muscle bear-man.
- Even with his fancy new "full-power SS2" state, Trunks was only mostly as strong as a SS3 Goku who's only moderately improved since the Boo arc. He can't beat any form of Evil Boo.
- The twerps are only about half as strong as Gohan and both get beaten at once.

Muten Roshi vs Babidi ?
Kid Gohan Oozaru vs Gurudo ?
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai vs Spopovith ?
Kuririn (from Cell Games) Vs Vegeta (first time in Earth) ?
Yajirobe (Budokai 23) vs Yamcha (Budokai 23) ?
Chibi Trunks SSJ Vs Ginyu Force (all 5 fighters together) ?
Reecom vs Baata ?

- Bobbidi's weak, but his magic is so potent that it was a threat to even Kaioshin. There's no way Muten Roshi's beating him.
- Oozaru Gohan's just going to stomp around at random. There's probably a hundred ways that Gurd could beat him.
- Since Videl was able to fight him so well and really only lost to Spopovich's weird zombie-like resiliency, I don't think he's all THAT strong. A well-placed Dodonpa from Cyborg Tao would probably go right through him and end it.
- Kuririn's no doubt got a power level well over 100,000 by now, leagues above Vegeta's 18,000. Even if Vegeta survives long enough to go Oozaru, Kuririn could probably outmaneuver and overcome him in that form, too.
- Who knows? If nothing else, I guess Yajirobe would be more durable.
- Their only hope would be for Gurd to do something tricky with his time-freeze that allows Ginyu to body-swap with their foe by surprise. Otherwise Trunks just casually blitzes all five of them before they can do anything about it.
- Recoome and Butta have roughly the same power level, but each have different specialties. I'm guessing Recoome's durable tank-ness will prevail over Butta's speed, though.

- Avo and Cado vs. Vegeta, Son Gohan, Krillin (vs. first form Freeza) and Freeza (first form).
- Gohan-Boo vs. Son Goku (base, Resurrection F).
- Freeza (true form, Resurrection F) vs. Ultimate Son Gohan (Boo arc).
- Kaioshin vs. SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (post-ROSAT).
- Krillin vs. Tenshinhan and Yamcha (Resurrection F).

- 1st-form Freeza plus a few people less than half as strong as him, versus two people somewhat stronger than him? Hmm... I'd say Avo and Cado win this one.
- Hard to tell, since Freeza was labeled stronger than all the initial Earth defense heroes in the film... but the strongest of them was a sub-par Super Saiyan Gohan. It's only with his Golden form that Freeza matched SSB Goku or Vegeta and approached Beerus' power, so his first and true form, and Goku's "base" along with it, could really fall anywhere between a rough Super Saiyan 2 level and that. So it's mostly a mystery, but my gut tells me that Goku could at least give Gohan-Boo a good fight here.
- With the above said, Freeza wins this one through sheer power.
- I consider the kids to be on the same rough strength level as Piccolo, so Kaioshin is thus a good amount stronger than either of them. It depends on how well he can divide his power and attention between two opponents, but odds are he wins.
- Kuririn's still stronger than Tenshinhan, but at this point it's probably not by a huge amount. They all know each other's techniques and how to deal with them, so the Kienzan and Kikoho won't really be a factor here. With Yamcha as backup, Ten might be able to win. I'd say it's like 60/40 in Kuririn's favor.

[*]Captain america with shield vs Kid goku BoDB (before meeting roshi, no nyo-bo)
[*]Tao pai pai vs Hulk (no dodonpa)
[*]Tao pai pai vs Thor
[*]Iron Man vs 21st Tb goku[/size]

Alright, finally a crossover I can get behind.

- If Cap is skilled enough to overcome a strength difference and beat Spider-Man (who's admittedly still very young and inexperienced in the MCU), then he can take down this version of Goku too.
- Tao Pai Pai's attacks hurt Hulk a little at first, but mostly just make him angry. And you wouldn't like... well, you know the rest.
- Tao Pai Pai's speed might annoy Thor, but one clean hit from Mjolnir is all it takes to bring him down.
- Iron Man's armor typically isn't actually all that durable, so odds are that once Goku gets serious and starts using "battle level" power, he'll tear it apart and claim victory pretty easily.

SSJ2 Gohan [Post Z Sword] vs Fat Buu [vs Majin Vegeta].
Base Vegeta [Champa arc] vs Buuhan.
Ultimate Gohan vs First Form Freeza [RoF arc].
SSJ3 Vegetto [Buu arc] vs Final Form Freeza [RoF arc].
Zamasu and SSR Black vs Hit.

- At the very most, the Z-Sword training has made Gohan a little bit stronger than Goku or Vegeta. It was only pointed out to have increased his "arm strength." Fat Boo still smokes him.
- Who knows?
- I don't think Freeza's power rockets up into or beyond the upper-tier Boo arc powers until his true form appears. Gohan would win this. Narratively, if Super was better written and Gohan wasn't nerfed, I could see him holding his own against true-form Freeza long enough for Goku and Vegeta to get there.
- SS1 Vegetto probably couldn't win this, and SS2 Vegetto only might be able to, but SS3 Vegetto can definitely get the job done in the 5 minutes that the form lasts him.
- Super, don't care, pass.

Jaco vs. Tenshinhan [spoiler]in a game of "I Spy."[/spoiler]

I'm gonna say Tenshinhan. Gotta let the poor guy win at something.

Android 18 (Buu Saga) VS Android 17
I know 17 is marginally more powerful, but in the Cell Saga neither of the Androids really knew martial arts, they just relied on brute strength and speed. but over the 7 years between the arcs, 18 learns martial arts from Krillin. I think this might be enough to give her the edge over her brother.

We know the Androids can increase their somehow-biologically-based power through training, but there's really no indication that either of them ever did so. For all we know, the status quo remained intact and 17's still the stronger one. If it was a fight to the death for some reason, then technique would maybe let her hit him with a Kienzan or something though.

Who's the strongest character that Evolution Goku can beat?

He's still pretty strong, so I'm sure he could beat his start-of-series original manga self, and maybe put up a good fight at the 21st World Tournament.

SSj3 Movie 13 Goku vs. Janemba
Does Goku have a better chance on winning since he knows the Dragon Fist attack?

I'm going to agree with Darkron2151 on this one. Janemba's not going to be anywhere near as easy a target as Hirudegarn. Plus since he's presumably stronger than him too, odds are pretty could he could recover from the attack somehow.

Jaco Runs the Gauntlet-

He clears the list in my book. He's only said to be no match for an average adult Saiyan, but if we assume Raditz personifies that, then Jaco might be able to even smack down start-of-Z Goku and Piccolo. Even though he doesn't show any extraordinary ki-based abilities, I still give him an equivalent power level of about 1,000.

Current Roshi vs. Current Yamcha.
Before you answer, keep in mind that Toriyama said that during the events of Resurrection F, Roshi was nearly or maybe just as powerful as Krillin.

Not quite. Toriyama only said that Muten Roshi could have been as strong as he was in the movie all along "if he put his mind to it." It was the article writer who said something tongue-in-cheek about maybe Muten Roshi being the strongest Earthling instead of Kuririn. Muten Roshi doesn't have to have a power level of any more than a few thousand to fight the Freeza mooks like he did, and even then they were wearing him out visibly more than the other Earthlings. Yamcha, meanwhile, almost certainly has a power level in the several tens of thousands from his training time on Kaio's, so he's got an easy win here.

Majin Boo vs First Form Freeza.
Kuririn implied in the RoF arc that having Boo with them will make the situation "Okay". Can Boo beat this trained Freeza? Or was Kuririn mistaken?

Yeah, that line is a big basis for my "high Super Saiyan 2" placement of Freeza. I'm thinking he'd be backed into a corner by Boo and forced to transform to win. His 2nd form might make it an even battle, and his 3rd and True forms would shoot him way above Fat Boo and put him in the upper Evil Boo range.

Strongest Dragon Ball character who Arale can beat?

That recently-introduced high priest dude. The Omni-King fights evenly with her, and Tori-Bot's the only one who can beat her.

Demon King Piccolo stands still and tries to tank Roshi's MAX Power Kamehameha in his buff form.
What happens?

My gut tells me that Piccolo's injured but not beaten.

Kibitokai vs Kid buu

Merged Kaioshin is probably on a "high Super Saiyan 2" level at best. The SS3-level Pure Boo completely wrecks him.

Super Perfect Cell, Dabura, Kibitoshin, Piccolo, Majin Vegeta, Broly, Bojack
ALL
vs Pure Boo

Boo laughs as he jumps around picking them all apart at once. Even the strongest of them is still a fraction of his power, and most of them don't have any special abilities to make up for that. Sheer numbers isn't going to work against any form of Boo when the power level difference is so large.

- SSJ Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Freeza (true form, Resurrection F).
- Kibitoshin vs. Dabura.
- Ninja Murasaki vs. Great Saiyawoman and Mr. Satan.
Who is the strongest character General Rilldo can defeat in the original Manga?

It's a tough fight, but I think Gogeta's got it. I'd think all these guys are roughly in the range of Evil Boo's absorbed forms until Freeza goes Golden. Unlike with the Boos, though, Freeza doesn't have regeneration or infinite stamina for Gogeta to deal with.
- Dabra gets annihilated. He's down there with SS1 Gohan in strength while Kaioshin's now on a high SS2 level. Kaioshin probably wasn't too far behind him even before the merger with Kibito.
- I'm gonna say the father-and-daughter prevail here, but mostly thanks to the latter.
- Normal Logic: Rild is probably on a SS2 level and could stomp his way through the Cell Games. GT Logic: Rild actually forced Goku to go Super Saiyan, so he's above literally everybody and anybody from Z.

[*]SS Goku [Cell Games] vs. Dabra
[*]SS Goku [Cell Games] vs. SS Future Trunks [Vs. Dabra]
[*]SS Teen Gohan [Vs. Dabra] vs. SS Future Trunks [Vs. Dabra]
[*]Perfect Cell [Vs. Goku] vs. Dabra
[*]Perfect Cell [Vs. Goku] vs. Dabra [No Spit]
[*]Super Perfect Cell vs. SS2 Future Trunks [Vs. Dabra][/size]

[*] A very even fight that could probably go either way. It might unfold much like Goku's match with Cell, except Dabra wouldn't regenerate if Goku blew him to pieces. I think the odds are slightly in Goku's favor as long as he doesn't get hit with stone spit.
[*] Gonna give it to Goku again. Since Trunks was having considerably trouble with Dabra, I don't think he was quite on Goku or Gohan's level yet. Goku's still the more skilled fighter too.
[*] Gohan wins. He's got an even bigger power edge on Trunks than he did with Dabra, and Trunks doesn't have crazy magic tricks to deal with.
[*] Cell wins. He's got the power advantage, and he's pretty crafty too. His regeneration would let him get around Dabra's stone spit.
[*] Cell again. Removing Dabra's stone spit just makes it easier.
[*] Cell yet again. He's roughly equal with SS2 Gohan.

Base Goku (GT) VS First Form Frieza (Resurrection 'F')

Normal Logic: Goku's considerably stronger than in the Boo arc, from 15 years of training with Oob as a partner for the last 5. But he's probably only Android-level at best, and no match for Freeza's SS2-level power unless he goes at least Super Saiyan 1 himself.
GT Logic: GT Goku wins because he's GT Goku and is thus stronger than everyone in Z by default. Transforming just makes him weaker.

Super Vegetto vs SSJ4 Goku

It's largely a mystery, which I think is the point that the bit from the GT Special Anime Comic was trying to make. We never saw the full extent of Super Vegetto's awesome power, so for all we know he could be way up there with SS4 Goku.

- Android #19 vs. SSJ Future Son Gohan.
- Krillin (22nd Budokai) vs. Yamcha (22nd Budokai).
- Nappa and Raditz vs. Freeza's army (Resurrection F).
- Piccolo (Tree of Might) vs. Vegeta (Saiyan arc).
- Videl (25th Budokai) vs. Panpoot.
Who is the strongest character teenage Bebi (during his fight with Goten) can defeat in the original Manga?

- Gohan wins this as long as he doesn't let 19 absorb any of his energy. I think both 19 and 20 started out a good chunk weaker than Freeza, and Gohan's at least stronger than that.
- Could go either way.
- Nappa and Raditz don't have nearly enough stamina to overcome the huge difference in numbers. It'd be like removing all the other heroes from the movie and leaving only Muten Roshi and Jaco to fight the entire army all by themselves.
- Like the equal-powers Piccolo vs Vegeta match earlier in my post, it could go either way. Piccolo's strange Namekian abilities versus Tullece's Saiyan tenacity and durability.
- My gut says Panput has at least a slight advantage in physical strength and wins this one.
- Not sure. GT wasn't very consistent with this stuff.

Young Piccolo Daimao vs. Sea King from One Punch Man
Speed of Sound Sonic vs. Tao Pai Pai

The Deep Sea King was a Demon-level threat, meaning he was a danger to an entire city or its infrastructure... but not necessarily that he could nuke an entire city in one shot or something. Other threats on the same level might have ways of doing that, but Sea King was a strictly melee-based fighter. I'd bet King Piccolo is not only just as deadly with his blows, but also has massive energy blast abilities that could dry his foe up.

This is a little trickier. Sonic might be capable of faster movement speed than Tao, but I'm sure that'd be all he has over him.

- Zangya vs Saiyan Arc Vegeta (with or without Oozaru)
- Bojack vs Freeza (transformations allowed)

- Vegeta's tough, and most of Bojack's henchlings seemed to rely on teamwork a little too much. I think Vegeta wins this one.
- I think Freeza's got more going for him in terms of techniques, and he's resilient enough to survive some pretty gruesome injuries too.

1) Super Saiyan Goku (Battle of Gods) vs. Majin Dabura.
2) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Battle of Gods) vs. Hakaishin Beerus.
3) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Battle of Gods) vs. Baby Janemba.

1) SS1 Goku was already strong enough to kick Dabra's ass back in the Boo arc. He could do it even more easily now.
2) While SS4 GT Goku's strength specifically compared to Super Saiyan God BoG/Super Goku isn't clear, the message we're being fed by all the current media is that as forms, Super Saiyan 4 is weaker than Super Saiyan God. So if Goku couldn't beat Beerus with the latter, then he's definitely not beating him with the former either.
3) Who knows? Baby-Janemba doesn't exist outside of a video game.

1) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Baby Saga) vs. Tagoma (after enduring his training with Frieza).
2) Piccolo Daimao (Youth Restored) vs. Raditz. (But both being at the same power level.)

1) Tagoma's probably on a Super Saiyan 2 level of power at best. He stands no chance whatsoever against a Super Saiyan 4.
2) Despite his relative power when he was the badguy, as a Dragon-type Namekian King Piccolo actually isn't well-suited to combat. But as a Saiyan, Raditz most definitely is. Had Goku been a full-grown adult when they fought, he most likely would have kicked the Demon King's ass even at equal power levels. So Piccolo's going to be worn out from the stress of using his own full power while constantly struggling uphill against Raditz, who will win before very long.

1) Super Saiyan Kid Gohan (Frieza Saga) vs. Fourth Form Frieza (right after he had killed Dende).
2) Super Saiyan Goku (Frieza Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Frieza Saga).

1) Crunching the numbers, Gohan would end up with a power level of well over 10 million as a Super Saiyan, while Freeza was down somewhere around base Goku's 3 million. Gohan wins easily.
2) There was a pretty decent difference between base Goku and Vegeta, where the former could fight pretty darn well against Freeza while the latter could barely see him move. Vegeta as a Super Saiyan wouldn't do any better against Super Saiyan Goku than Freeza did. It wouldn't necessarily be a one-sided fight, but Goku would definitely have the significant advantage.

[DanielSSJ]

Iron Man's armor typically isn't actually all that durable, so odds are that once Goku gets serious and starts using "battle level" power, he'll tear it apart and claim victory pretty easily.

It's Goku from the 21st Budokai, not the 22nd.

[apex_pretador]

King Chappa vs Mercenary Tao

Tao would outright one shot king chappa, and if it is improved king chappa from 23rd TB, then we use cyborg tao from 23rd TB, so tao again one shots.

New match:

- Super Saiyan 4 Goku vs. Zamasu Goku a.k.a Goku Black

Goku black

1) Super 17 Saga Little Goku (GT) vs. Present Zamasu. (The incarnation of him that was destroyed by Beerus.)

2) Super 17 Saga Super Saiyan Little Goku (GT) vs. Meta Rhildo.

3) Super 17 Saga Super Saiyan 2 Little Goku (GT) vs. Fourth Form Frieza (Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F).

4) Super 17 Saga Super Saiyan 3 Little Goku (GT) vs. Super Janemba.

5) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Super 17 Saga) vs. Super 17. (Right after being born, but before being hit by GT Gohan's Super or Ultimate Kamehameha.)

1. Even SS3 little goku would lose. Current goku had to go SS2 and still had tough time.

4. Goku would one-shot super janemba easily.

6) Super Saiyan 4 Goku (King Piccolo Saga) vs. King Piccolo (Youth Restored) and Lord Slug (Youth Restored).

7) Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon) vs. Super Buu.

Eight) Super Saiyan 4 Gohan (Saiyan Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Nappa and Super Saiyan Vegeta.

9) Super Saiyan 4 Goten (World Tournament Saga) vs. Legendary Super Saiyan Broly (Movie Ten).

10) Super Saiyan 4 Trunks (World Tournament Saga) vs. Present Zamasu.

6. King piccolo is irrelevant, and lord slug is alone enough to win.

7. Super buu is slightly above a SS3 from buu arc. Wrath of dragon SS3 would smash him to pieces quite easily.

8. Ozaru gohan could probably rival Nappa at best, not vegeta, so if we use SS4 gohan, he would still be far beneath SS vegeta and rival SS nappa.

9. Super Saiyan 3 goten would demolish Broly very easily.

10. Zamasu

Future Trunks ( base ) vs SSJ Goten & SSJ Trunks
Future Mai vs Launch
Piccolo & SSJ2 Future Trunks vs Present Zamasu

Future trunks easily.

Mai

Piccolo is irrelevant here. He probably rivals base trunks. Current SS2 trunks should be enough to beat Zamasu alone in a tough fight.

11) Katanaji (The Nameless Namekian) vs. Saiyan Arc Vegeta (Scouter).

12) Kami (Young, right after being fissioned) vs. Garlic Junior (Dragon Ball Z: Dead Zone).

13) King Piccolo (Young, right after being fissioned) vs. Rushiferu.

14) Piccolo Junior (his Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods incarnation, if he had fused with King Piccolo) vs. Fourth Form Frieza (Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F).

15) Nail (if he had gone through the same ritual from Old Kai as Gohan) vs. Mira (Base Form, from the first Dragon Ball: Xenoverse).

Katanaji

11 Vegeta will win but with difficulty, and he may even have to go Ozaru.

12 Young Kami would be strong enough to wipe out Garlic junior even if he turned to his buff form.

14 I don't think that the boost would be any more than , say 2x , even if there is a boost.
Maybe piccolo can now put up a fight against Tagoma.

I agree, though I wish she could somehow beat someone in her calm form. Just for the fun of it.

Anyhow, though...
Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection 'F') VS Base Future Trunks (Zamasu Arc)
This is Goku in his top form before training for the tournament.

A joke? Sorbet one-shot SSB Goku, trunks will one shot in his base form, suppressed.

Honestly, I was going to bump Trunks up a form if he kept losing. So, here's the proper way I'll do it:

Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection 'F') VS Super Saiyan Future Trunks (Zamasu Arc)
Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection 'F') VS Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks (Zamasu Arc)
Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection 'F') VS Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks (Zamasu Arc)

Seriously though, blue goku finger flicks.

1) Super Saiyan Kid Gohan (Frieza Saga) vs. Fourth Form Frieza (right after he had killed Dende).

2) Super Saiyan Goku (Frieza Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Frieza Saga).

Gohan.

Goku was stronger in base, calmer, had better techniques. How does he not win this?

[Bullza]

Tao would outright one shot king chappa, and if it is improved king chappa from 23rd TB, then we use cyborg tao from 23rd TB, so tao again one shots.

But even though Roshi knew that Goku had taken down the entire Red Ribbon Army and saw him fight Grandpa Gohan and knew he would have grown stronger from training he was still somewhat concerned when he had to fight King Chappa.

Isn't that kind of odd if he's that much weaker than Tao?

[apex_pretador]

Tao would outright one shot king chappa, and if it is improved king chappa from 23rd TB, then we use cyborg tao from 23rd TB, so tao again one shots.

But even though Roshi knew that Goku had taken down the entire Red Ribbon Army and saw him fight Grandpa Gohan and knew he would have grown stronger from training he was still somewhat concerned when he had to fight King Chappa.

Isn't that kind of odd if he's that much weaker than Tao?

And after seeing goku one-shot king chappa, Roshi couldn't even believe that goku beat Tao.

[Bullza]

And after seeing goku one-shot king chappa, Roshi couldn't even believe that goku beat Tao.

Which is all kind of inconsistent because he saw him "defeat" Gohan who was much stronger than Tao so why the surprise?

[Steven Bloodriver]

Dragon Ball vs. Dragon Ball Z) Kid Goku (during his rematch against King Piccolo) vs. Mr. Satan (Cell Games Saga).

Dragon Ball Z vs. Dragon Ball GT) Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan vs. Hell Fighter 17.

Dragon Ball GT vs. Dragon Ball Super) GT Gotenks (Baby Saga) vs. Tagoma (after training with Frieza).

Dragon Ball Super vs. Dragon Ball) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Future Trunks Saga) vs. Lucifer.

[Ki Breaker]

Don't know if this is the right thread to post this or not..
But I had a thought, black continusly stating goku's body is getting stronger and pretty much showing its limitless potential also rosé overpowering blue.. Is this a indication goku is going to end up far more powerful than he is right now..
Emphasis on "far"

[DanielSSJ]

Dragon Ball vs. Dragon Ball Z) Kid Goku (during his rematch against King Piccolo) vs. Mr. Satan (Cell Games Saga).

Dragon Ball Z vs. Dragon Ball GT) Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan vs. Hell Fighter 17.

Dragon Ball GT vs. Dragon Ball Super) GT Gotenks (Baby Saga) vs. Tagoma (after training with Frieza).

Dragon Ball Super vs. Dragon Ball) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Future Trunks Saga) vs. Lucifer.

- Goku from the beginning of Dragon Ball could take down Mr. Satan in the blink of an eye. Sending Super God Water Goku after him is overkill to the extreme.

- Normal Logic: No. 17's clone is just as strong as the original and is nowhere near strong enough to take out a Super Saiyan 2. GT Logic: Hell Fighter No. 17 wins by the virtue of being a GT character and, therefor, stronger than anyone from Z.

- I normally skip GT vs Super matches, but this one seems fairly straightforward. At his best, Tagoma's only true feat is beating up Piccolo and losing to a rusty Super Saiyan Gohan. Even with normal logic, i.e. that Trunks' and Goten's powers have either stagnated or degraded since Z due to not training, fusing should still be enough to put them in the realm of a Super Saiyan 2 and kick Tagoma's shit in, and that's without counting Super Saiyan 3 (though it is doubtful whether or not they could still do that.)

- You expect the guy who was killed by Goku before he had even been trained by the Turtle Hermit to be a threat to a motherf*cking Super Saiyan Blue?!

[Steven Bloodriver]

Don't know if this is the right thread to post this or not..
But I had a thought, black continusly stating goku's body is getting stronger and pretty much showing its limitless potential also rosé overpowering blue.. Is this a indication goku is going to end up far more powerful than he is right now..
Emphasis on "far"

Yes, both Son Goku and Goku Black (Zamasu) will become much stronger in the future. But Akira Toriyama and the rest behind Dragon Ball Super, would still try their damn hardest to make sure to limit the original Goku in anyway they possibly can and hype up the lesser version of the real Goku.

[DBZ Macky]

New Matches (No special techniques like Dodonpa or Akkumaito Beam, only good ol' martial arts):

1-Tao Pai Pai VS Son Gohan
2-Tao Pai Pai VS Chapa-o
3-Son Gohan VS Chapa-o
4-Tao Pai Pai VS Akkuman
5-Sergeant Metallic VS Akkuman
6-Sergeant Metallic VS Pirate Robot
7-General Blue VS Sgt. Metallic
8-General Blue VS Pirate Robot
9-General Blue VS Staff Officer Black
10-BoDB Goku VS T-Rex (The one who attacked Chichi, Kamehameha allowed as special case)
11-Gyumao VS Kuririn (21st Budokai)

Also, how high would you put Buyon and Botamo's attack potency? I'd say a little above 21st Budokai Kuririn and a little below First Form Frost respectively.