"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Khin]

I doubt he'd learn the Mafuba, but it's too early to say that he'd have no reason to go back. Besides, what else could "Goku and Co." mean if not for Vegeta, Goku, and Bulma ? I'm sure that it would have at least been noted, as was Trunks.

The same preview said Trunks entrusts Goku with a finding a way of defeating “Zamasu and co.” , why can't the “Goku and co.” just mean two people as well ?

It was also mentioned that Goku will ask Roshi to teach him the Mafuba this week (10/16), the episode with Vegeta will be on 10/23.

[Avery]

We're getting a B-plot? Hell yeah!

I miss the 'try your best to fend them off until Goku arrives!' thing too. That would put more emphasis on Goku especially if Vegeta stayed with Trunks.

I think I'm the only one here who likes them going back and forth in time. I hope they take Mai with them this time just for a few fun interactions.

[Nejishiki]

That said though, would Goku really have to go to the past to learn it? Unless I misunderstood that bit of theorizing and it just meant returning to their own timeline rather than going back to DB or further beyond - Roshi is alive in the main timeline, so there's no reason he couldn't learn it from him there, right?

Be kind of nifty if Tenshinhan also assisted teaching it to Goku.

He should still be alive going by Trunks The Story's anime adaption. However, we only know about Future Pu'er and Future Oolong knowing his whereabouts, I think. I'm not saying it's impossible, merely listing provided information. There's also the factor of an active, stressful environment. They probably don't have the luxury to sit around and immediately consider checking if Future Turtle Hermit is living.

[namekiansaiyan]

I see that everyone now understands my point of this arc stopping and starting.

I know some people would like Goku to learn the Mafuba but this is the perfect oppurtunity to include Roshi, Piccolo and Tien without any nonsense and to me it would be Goku stealing something from them which will make him better and the others slightly worse.

[Kanassa]

If Goku is using the Mafuba, then the chances of Trunks and Vegeta being the ones to finish off Black come all the more higher...
Also, Zamasu better get trapped in some sort of tea related container!

[sophitia]

In Japanese, Goku and co could mean "Goku and one other guy". So Goku going back with Bulma while Vegeta fighting is still plausible imo.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

In Japanese, Goku and co could mean "Goku and one other guy". So Goku going back with Bulma while Vegeta fighting is still plausible imo.

Preview clearly says Trunks stays back and fights Black on his own after sending everyone back.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

In Japanese, Goku and co could mean "Goku and one other guy". So Goku going back with Bulma while Vegeta fighting is still plausible imo.

Preview clearly says Trunks stays back and fights Black on his own after sending everyone back.

I actually forgot about that part-way through the conversation, but you're right. This whole conversation would have lasted 2 or 3 posts if everyone had actually read the preview, which I even linked.

I guess that makes me, like, god tier. Is that how this works? Do I own the website now?

[ArchedThunder]

In Japanese, Goku and co could mean "Goku and one other guy". So Goku going back with Bulma while Vegeta fighting is still plausible imo.

Preview clearly says Trunks stays back and fights Black on his own after sending everyone back.

He fights Black on his own, Vegeta could be fighting Zamasu, just like how Trunks fought Zamasu on his own for a bit.
If Trunks stayed behind alone to fight Black AND Zamasu he would probably be dead before Goku came back.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

In Japanese, Goku and co could mean "Goku and one other guy". So Goku going back with Bulma while Vegeta fighting is still plausible imo.

Preview clearly says Trunks stays back and fights Black on his own after sending everyone back.

He fights Black on his own, Vegeta could be fighting Zamasu, just like how Trunks fought Zamasu on his own for a bit.
If Trunks stayed behind alone to fight Black AND Zamasu he would probably be dead before Goku came back.

You may have a point there actually. Zamasu nor Vegeta are mentioned at all. But then it talks about Trunks wanting to protect his era on his own etc.
We'll probably know by Saturday, probably show it in the NEP.

[HeroR]

Here's a question. What difference does it make if something is Toei's idea or Toriyama's as long as it's done well and explained. This forum in particular has a nasty habit of Everything Toei = bad, Everything Toriyama = good.

Well it's not just this forum, a lot of people had mix-negative feelings to original content from Toei. Most of the old DBZ movies are not very good and GT was consider to be mediocre at best. Toriyama tries to something new while Toei has been known to rehash things (Like most of the old movie villains and GT villains being rehashes).

Most of the Toei = bad, especially for Super, I have seen here. Everyone where else, most either don't care or they're at least willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Most of the old movies except a few like the third Broly movie are well-liked and GT is what fans call Dragon Ball with no direction from Toriyama.

Toei has shown over and over again with Toriyama's direction, they don't rehash as much and can do great world building like the Bardock story and History of Trunks.

[HeroR]

I like that the Mafuu-ba is making a return but I find it a bit much that we keep going back-and-forth in time. This arc could be streamlined a lot better.

Oh, well, maybe Tenshinhan and the Muten Roushi will use the Mafuu-ba in Gokuu's place. He's not the type to use it.

I don't see Goku letting his friends and father figure use the Evil Containment Wave if he knows they will die. He will learn it and used it himself.

If they're really bringing back the Mafuba, I wish they would let someone else do it, not named Goku. Maybe like Kid Trunks, I hate how Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks are the only three who have did anything this whole arc, should let Kid Trunks' minor role pay off and let him in on the action at least.

I also hate that they keep going back and forth between timelines. What's the point of going in without a plan, just to fail and come right back to the present again? And why not bring the others with them to help out?

The Evil Containment Wave kills the user. Who with any morals would let kid Trunks sacrifice himself?

I see that everyone now understands my point of this arc stopping and starting.

I know some people would like Goku to learn the Mafuba but this is the perfect oppurtunity to include Roshi, Piccolo and Tien without any nonsense and to me it would be Goku stealing something from them which will make him better and the others slightly worse.

The time machine can just barely fit four people and it's extremely crapped. How do you expect Goku and Bulma to fit Piccolo, Tien and Roshi? It would be better for Goku to just learn the move from his old master instead of dragging in three other people to do the exact same thing. Especially, as I mentioned before, Goku isn't going to let his friends kill themselves if he's the only one who needs to be sacrifice.

[Roronoa-pt]

The way I see it, Mafuuba shortens the life span of the user but doesn't necessarily kill the user. The technique is mortal when aged users use it. Kikoho was stated to shorten life span as well and nowadays Tenshinhan uses the technique like Goku uses Kamehameha. Given the fact Tenshinhan's KI is high and he's still young, Kikoho no longer endangerous his life.
The same logic can be applied to Mafuuba. Roshi and Mutaito died when they used the technique against Daimao. But neither Tenshinhan or Kami died ( Kami was old but his battle power was high enough ). You can argue that neither Kami or Tenshinhan sealed Daimao but Roshi didn't seal him either and died anyway.

Back in the days, Roshi didn't want to teach Tenshinhan the Mafuuba and probably doesn't want to teach Goku, either. The "but" word in the preview spoilers shows me that probably Goku isn't the one will be using the Mafuuba. I'm hoping they will bring either Ten or Piccolo to the future, probably Piccolo, to seal Zamasu.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The way I see it, Mafuuba shortens the life span of the user but doesn't necessarily kill the user. The technique is mortal when aged users use it. Kikoho was stated to shorten life span as well and nowadays Tenshinhan uses the technique like Goku uses Kamehameha. Given the fact Tenshinhan's KI is high and he's still young, Kikoho no longer endangerous his life.
The same logic can be applied to Mafuuba. Roshi and Mutaito died when they used the technique against Daimao. But neither Tenshinhan or Kami died ( Kami was old but his battle power was high enough ). You can argue that neither Kami or Tenshinhan sealed Daimao but Roshi didn't seal him either and died anyway.

Back in the days, Roshi didn't want to teach Tenshinhan the Mafuuba and probably doesn't want to teach Goku, either. The "but" word in the preview spoilers shows me that probably Goku isn't the one will be using the Mafuuba. I'm hoping they will bring either Ten or Piccolo to the future, probably Piccolo, to seal Zamasu.

They use the but? Thing all the time it doesn't really mean anything.

[namekiansaiyan]

I see that everyone now understands my point of this arc stopping and starting.

I know some people would like Goku to learn the Mafuba but this is the perfect oppurtunity to include Roshi, Piccolo and Tien without any nonsense and to me it would be Goku stealing something from them which will make him better and the others slightly worse.

The time machine can just barely fit four people and it's extremely crapped. How do you expect Goku and Bulma to fit Piccolo, Tien and Roshi? It would be better for Goku to just learn the move from his old master instead of dragging in three other people to do the exact same thing. Especially, as I mentioned before, Goku isn't going to let his friends kill themselves if he's the only one who needs to be sacrifice.

It is an anime, they will fit in somehow and Toei will make a joke with Bulma and Roshi as well.

For Mafuba if Piccolo, Tien and Roshi do it together then maybe it won't kill them and especially as they are stronger now.

[fadeddreams5]

This saga is reminding me of GT: wonderful concepts; piss-poor execution. The manga is good so far though.

[Araki]

In Japanese, Goku and co could mean "Goku and one other guy". So Goku going back with Bulma while Vegeta fighting is still plausible imo.

Yeah, the "-tachi" used here is often used to refer to two people (the mentioned by name plus one more).
If that's not enough, going by titles and summaries It's pretty obvious that only Goku and Bulma go back.

[omaro34]

The Mafuba most likely won't work. When it was used against King Piccolo, Roshi ended up dying. Tenshinhan failed to do it against King Piccolo as well, and when Kami tried to do it against Piccolo Jr the move was reversed on him and he ended up getting trapped. It seems the only time it was successful was when Mutaito used it to trap King Piccolo for years.

The Mafuba doesn't have a very high success rate, bt regardless I'm excited to see how it turns out.

[dbgtFO]

Bulma can just make another shrinking device, if they really want more people to come.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

In Japanese, Goku and co could mean "Goku and one other guy". So Goku going back with Bulma while Vegeta fighting is still plausible imo.

Yeah, the "-tachi" used here is often used to refer to two people (the mentioned by name plus one more).
If that's not enough, going by titles and summaries It's pretty obvious that only Goku and Bulma go back.

They used Trunks and co for the episode 60 summary though, said Bulma takes her son and co to the future. People speculated Goku would stay given the leaked titles but he ended up going too. Cuz of that and how the summary is worded I still refuse to rule out Vegeta isn't coming back.

I hope he stays but given how misleading things have been around the arc, gotta prepare for any eventuality.