"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Bonus Stage]

Another DBS 60 synopsis - http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/dragonball ... index.html

[Xeztin]

Another DBS 60 synopsis - http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/dragonball ... index.html

I'm probably way off but from what I gather Black has his own separate ambition?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No one ever denied that. It does not change the fact that they could destroy it any time in the future with such moves. They probably will not but if they were smart they would do so and if they were even smarter they would have already done that during battle because even a battle does not forbid them to use an explosion-like move.

They can't "destroy it anytime". First, Black nor Zamasu doesn't even know that the time machine comes in a capsule; so unless they destroyed Trunks' jacket or if the capsule fell out and coincidentally revealed the time machine, they have no way of knowing. The first time Black saw the time machine, it was just sitting there. He doesn't know how capsules work.

Of course he knows how Capsules work. He has Goku's moves therefore his memories.

From what we've seen so far, Black doesn't have all of Goku's memories, if any. He knew Kamehameha & Shunkan Ido ever since his first appearance, but sensing & masking his ki was something he had recently learned when he first appeared, and he learned Goku's fighting style & how to become a Super Saiyan after he fought Goku. Seeing how he can mimic techniques, it's possible that he had seen Kamehameha & Shunkan Ido before and learned them, instead of learning them through Goku's memories. There are still mysteries around Black, so we better wait & see.

I have a feeling that the Mafuba will fail on Gods and Goku will be the one that ends up getting sealed in some-kind of reverse technique. Actually, that'd be sort of nice for once. I feel like this arc wants us to feel as helpless as possible for Goku and co.

If it doesn't work on gods, how did Piccolo seal God with the Mafuba?

[ryou766]

If it doesn't work on gods, how did Piccolo seal God with the Mafuba?

We shouldn't take Kami's position of "God" too literally. If nothing else, it's more than likely just a title seeing as he's the literal overseer of Earth. He isn't an actual God.

[dragonballhero]

I have a feeling that the Mafuba will fail on Gods and Goku will be the one that ends up getting sealed in some-kind of reverse technique. Actually, that'd be sort of nice for once. I feel like this arc wants us to feel as helpless as possible for Goku and co.

If my memory serves me correctly, Takeshi Kusao (Trunks' VA, present AND future) himself even said in an interview that was conducted 1-2 weeks before the Black arc/Zamasu arc had even started that in this arc you'd get a creeping feeling of "Is there any way they're going win this time?"

If I find the link to the interview, I'll try to post it.

[ekrolo2]

If it doesn't work on gods, how did Piccolo seal God with the Mafuba?

We shouldn't take Kami's position of "God" too literally. If nothing else, it's more than likely just a title seeing as he's the literal overseer of Earth. He isn't an actual God.

The Super anime seems to support it being more than a title as Dende could sense Beerus when the others couldn't. Piccolo could also sense something divine with Supreme Kai too if you need evidence from a more consistent source than Supers anime (not that I can blame you).

[Draconic]

If it doesn't work on gods, how did Piccolo seal God with the Mafuba?

We shouldn't take Kami's position of "God" too literally. If nothing else, it's more than likely just a title seeing as he's the literal overseer of Earth. He isn't an actual God.

By that logic none of the gods in Dragon Ball should be taken literally.

[ryou766]

If it doesn't work on gods, how did Piccolo seal God with the Mafuba?

We shouldn't take Kami's position of "God" too literally. If nothing else, it's more than likely just a title seeing as he's the literal overseer of Earth. He isn't an actual God.

The Super anime seems to support it being more than a title as Dende could sense Beerus when the others couldn't. Piccolo could also sense something divine with Supreme Kai too if you need evidence from a more consistent source than Supers anime (not that I can blame you).

That's true. But in Piccolo's case, I wouldn't say that he sensed anything divine, he didn't automatically come to the conclusion that the Kaioshin was a God. He first assumed that he was an alien of some sorts (Chapter 244). With Dende, how could that work? He wasn't always a God since birth until Goku brought him to Earth to become the new overseer. It wasn't any special ritual or anything, he was just literally given the task to become the new "God" and recreate Shenron. That's why I'm just leaning towards it just being a title if anything.

By that logic none of the gods in Dragon Ball should be taken literally.

No? We know there's more to Beerus' role as a God than just being a title. For Kami, he was just given the task to oversee Earth by the previous God.

[Anime Kitten]

I hate how Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks are the only three who have did anything this whole arc.

That's not entirely true.

[nite_jay]

I hate how Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks are the only three who have did anything this whole arc.

For this Black arc you can't really say that Goku, Trunks, and Vegeta are the only people doing anything because people like Bulma, Beerus, Whis, Kaioshin etc. have had a pretty large presense as well. While I'd like to see more involvement from the old cast in Super, you kind of just have to take it for what it is.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

I hate how Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks are the only three who have did anything this whole arc.

Only if you work under the false dichotomy of "doing something = throwing punches & kicks".

[Nicolas Nx]

someone could translate this? perhaps could say something important

[Baggie_Saiyan]

someone could translate this? perhaps could say something important

I believe someone has already looked at that, nothing important just seems to hype the upcoming episodes up.

Another DBS 60 synopsis - http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/dragonball ... index.html

Spoilers.

[spoiler]Herms confirmed. Black is Present Zamasu[/spoiler]

[Nicolas Nx]

someone could translate this? perhaps could say something important

I believe someone has already looked at that, nothing important just seems to hype the upcoming episodes up.

Another DBS 60 synopsis - http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/dragonball ... index.html

Spoilers.

[spoiler]Herms confirmed. Black is Present Zamasu[/spoiler]

Thanks!

[nite_jay]

[spoiler]So Zamasu didn't truly die? R.I.P most of the previous theories, then. There's still a lot to be explained, though.[/spoiler]

[Anime Kitten]

We don't need to use Spoilers, I don't think.

Interesting. Makes sense, though. Present Zamasu's death was so fast. How does Black know Vegeta, though?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

[spoiler]So Zamasu didn't truly die? R.I.P most of the previous theories, then. There's still a lot to be explained, though.[/spoiler]

Definitely but we're slowly getting answers though. Expect a good chunk to be answered next episode since we're getting flashbacks.

We don't need to use Spoilers, I don't think.

Interesting. Makes sense, though. Present Zamasu's death was so fast. How does Black know Vegeta, though?

Just pre warning folks incase they're scrolling through the thread. And don't want anymore spoilers.

[ekrolo2]

[spoiler]Black is present Zamasu?! What the fuck![/spoiler]

[namekiansaiyan]

Present Zamasu being Black makes no sense and probably never will.

[nite_jay]

Present Zamasu being Black makes no sense and probably never will.

The episode hasn't even aired yet lol.