"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ChronoTwigger]

Present Zamasu is Black and Future Zamasu is the one we've being seeing in Trunk's timeline.

But how could Present Zamasu be Goku Black, if Black was already there fighting with Goku, leading everyone to raise suspicions?

But... are you aware that Black come from 17 years into the future???
What are you saying is "if they beat Present Zamasu, Black couldn't exist".
But Black WILL exist, they didn't stop his creation.

[TheMikado]

Present Zamasu is Black and Future Zamasu is the one we've being seeing in Trunk's timeline.

But how could Present Zamasu be Goku Black, if Black was already there fighting with Goku, leading everyone to raise suspicions?

But... are you aware that Black come from 17 years into the future???
What are you saying is "if they beat Present Zamasu, Black couldn't exist".
But Black WILL exist, they didn't stop his creation.

I think he's trying to say it's a paradox which doesn't look like it's going to be avoided at this point.

[ChronoTwigger]

But how could Present Zamasu be Goku Black, if Black was already there fighting with Goku, leading everyone to raise suspicions?

But... are you aware that Black come from 17 years into the future???
What are you saying is "if they beat Present Zamasu, Black couldn't exist".
But Black WILL exist, they didn't stop his creation.

I think he's trying to say it's a paradox which doesn't look like it's going to be avoided at this point.

There isn't any paradox, this time (luckily!).
Black, in the future, will create havoc. Trunks travel to alternative past (PAST) where black wasn't created so far.
They go stop Zamasu creating Black.
But this doesn't work as Zamasu was still alive and will create Black in the future.

Perfect continuity, at least this time XD.

[Sandubadear]

I was signing to the theory that Black was the present Zamasu, but from an alternate timeline where Trunks didn't time travel. It could still be the case, but I really have no idea now and we'll have to wait for the episode to air.

[Noah]

But... are you aware that Black come from 17 years into the future???
What are you saying is "if they beat Present Zamasu, Black couldn't exist".
But Black WILL exist, they didn't stop his creation.

I think he's trying to say it's a paradox which doesn't look like it's going to be avoided at this point.

Yes! That's my point, three Zamasu would make more sense for me, damn... This is so confusing

[Idiotbyte]

Hello. Long time reader, never posted. But I think I cracked the story.

So here we go.

We all know how time travel goes in this series. If you travel to the past and change something, it doesn't effect the timeline you came from. We all know that there are multiple timelines and you can create more.

To avoid confusion I'll have this as a guideline.

Timeline A - is our timeline. The main one of the series. What we tune into every week.

Timeline B - more about that in a minute.

Timeline C - Future Trunks' world.

I know there is Cell's timeline but that one doesn't matter.

Okay, on to timeline B. Timeline B is exactly like Timeline A. Imagine it's our story that we've watched this whole time. Dragon Ball all the way to the Champa saga. Now in this timeline Trunks never travels back to, to get aid against Black. In this timeline Zamasu learns about Goku like how he did in the manga. Through word of mouth. Probably sees Goku vs Hit on kami tube with Gowasu and learns of the super Dragon balls. He flips his stuff because of his hatred of mortals and can't believe that there is a Mortal with the power of gods. Since Trunks never came back in this timeline, no one can stop him from murdering Gowasu. But remember, this timeline is the same as timeline A, so that means that the super Dragon Balls were used by Beerus. Gowasu needs to be murdered so he can use the potara and time ring. He kills Gowasu, travels to the future and makes his first wish to switch bodies with Goku. He kills Goku and begins his zero Mortals plan. But Beerus is an issue so he travels to different timelines to scout which world would be best to start with. He stumbles upon timeline C, sees that Beerus is dead and and meets with his future self.

But, his future self has no idea on what's going on or who he really is. Why? Because Goku has been dead for years. He never defeated Buu. The Champa tournament never happened. So Future Zamasu never acted out his plans because he doesn't know about the Super Dragon Balls. Hence why in the preview when they meet, future Zamasu has his apprentice earrings. Black probably murders Gowasu in front of him and fills him in on everything. And Future Zamasu is thrilled that his dream is coming true.

Black gives Zamasu his potara for this reason, if Zamasu puts on Future Gowasu's set, they fuse. They're technically the same set of earrings. Or Black vaporizes Gowasu before telling Future Zamasu what happened and destroyed those potaras.

Present doesn't mean the version we see on screen. The Zamasu who Beerus killed is long and gone. Our Goku is safe from his body being switched.

Black is present Zamasu. From an identical timeline. So Trunks changed history for the better again by travelling to the past.

The reason Beerus and Whis sensed Zamasu within Black but with the slight differences is because it's a more deranged and powerful Zamasu. Kinda like Trunks and Future Trunks having similar ki.

So Black is a present Zamasu who pulled all the strings and recruited the Zamasu in Future Trunks' timeline. Black already killed a Goku so, I'm sure that's why Future Zamasu wants his turn. As seen in episode 57.

I hope this clears things up for everyone. Remember, because the spoilers say present Zamasu, it doesn't mean the one that Beerus destroyed. It just means exactly what it means. A present Zamasu from a similar timeline that Trunks never involuntarily saved.

[ChronoTwigger]

Hello. Long time reader, never posted. But I think I cracked the story.

So here we go.

We all know how time travel goes in this series. If you travel to the past and change something, it doesn't effect the timeline you came from. We all know that there are multiple timelines and you can create more.

To avoid confusion I'll have this as a guideline.

Timeline A - is our timeline. The main one of the series. What we tune into every week.

Timeline B - more about that in a minute.

Timeline C - Future Trunks' world.

I know there is Cell's timeline but that one doesn't matter.

Okay, on to timeline B. Timeline B is exactly like Timeline A. Imagine it's our story that we've watched this whole time. Dragon Ball all the way to the Champa saga. Now in this timeline Trunks never travels back to, to get aid against Black. In this timeline Zamasu learns about Goku like how he did in the manga. Through word of mouth. Probably sees Goku vs Hit on kami tube with Gowasu and learns of the super Dragon balls. He flips his stuff because of his hatred of mortals and can't believe that there is a Mortal with the power of gods. Since Trunks never came back in this timeline, no one can stop him from murdering Gowasu. But remember, this timeline is the same as timeline A, so that means that the super Dragon Balls were used by Beerus. Gowasu needs to be murdered so he can use the potara and time ring. He kills Gowasu, travels to the future and makes his first wish to switch bodies with Goku. He kills Goku and begins his zero Mortals plan. But Beerus is an issue so he travels to different timelines to scout which world would be best to start with. He stumbles upon timeline C, sees that Beerus is dead and and meets with his future self.

But, his future self has no idea on what's going on or who he really is. Why? Because Goku has been dead for years. He never defeated Buu. The Champa tournament never happened. So Future Zamasu never acted out his plans because he doesn't know about the Super Dragon Balls. Hence why in the preview when they meet, future Zamasu has his apprentice earrings. Black probably murders Gowasu in front of him and fills him in on everything. And Future Zamasu is thrilled that his dream is coming true.

Black gives Zamasu his potara for this reason, if Zamasu puts on Future Gowasu's set, they fuse. They're technically the same set of earrings. Or Black vaporizes Gowasu before telling Future Zamasu what happened and destroyed those potaras.

Present doesn't mean the version we see on screen. The Zamasu who Beerus killed is long and gone. Our Goku is safe from his body being switched.

Black is present Zamasu. From an identical timeline. So Trunks changed history for the better again by travelling to the past.

The reason Beerus and Whis sensed Zamasu within Black but with the slight differences is because it's a more deranged and powerful Zamasu. Kinda like Trunks and Future Trunks having similar ki.

So Black is a present Zamasu who pulled all the strings and recruited the Zamasu in Future Trunks' timeline. Black already killed a Goku so, I'm sure that's why Future Zamasu wants his turn. As seen in episode 57.

I hope this clears things up for everyone. Remember, because the spoilers say present Zamasu, it doesn't mean the one that Beerus destroyed. It just means exactly what it means. A present Zamasu from a similar timeline that Trunks never involuntarily saved.

SPEEEECULAAAAATIOOOONNNNNNSSSSS.
Most easily, Immortal Zamasu had killed Gowasu (no one stop him) and go to past, save Present Zamasu and everything is fine.
It's a kid show: use Occam Razor, please.

[nite_jay]

Hello. Long time reader, never posted. But I think I cracked the story.

So here we go.

We all know how time travel goes in this series. If you travel to the past and change something, it doesn't effect the timeline you came from. We all know that there are multiple timelines and you can create more.

To avoid confusion I'll have this as a guideline.

Timeline A - is our timeline. The main one of the series. What we tune into every week.

Timeline B - more about that in a minute.

Timeline C - Future Trunks' world.

I know there is Cell's timeline but that one doesn't matter.

Okay, on to timeline B. Timeline B is exactly like Timeline A. Imagine it's our story that we've watched this whole time. Dragon Ball all the way to the Champa saga. Now in this timeline Trunks never travels back to, to get aid against Black. In this timeline Zamasu learns about Goku like how he did in the manga. Through word of mouth. Probably sees Goku vs Hit on kami tube with Gowasu and learns of the super Dragon balls. He flips his stuff because of his hatred of mortals and can't believe that there is a Mortal with the power of gods. Since Trunks never came back in this timeline, no one can stop him from murdering Gowasu. But remember, this timeline is the same as timeline A, so that means that the super Dragon Balls were used by Beerus. Gowasu needs to be murdered so he can use the potara and time ring. He kills Gowasu, travels to the future and makes his first wish to switch bodies with Goku. He kills Goku and begins his zero Mortals plan. But Beerus is an issue so he travels to different timelines to scout which world would be best to start with. He stumbles upon timeline C, sees that Beerus is dead and and meets with his future self.

But, his future self has no idea on what's going on or who he really is. Why? Because Goku has been dead for years. He never defeated Buu. The Champa tournament never happened. So Future Zamasu never acted out his plans because he doesn't know about the Super Dragon Balls. Hence why in the preview when they meet, future Zamasu has his apprentice earrings. Black probably murders Gowasu in front of him and fills him in on everything. And Future Zamasu is thrilled that his dream is coming true.

Black gives Zamasu his potara for this reason, if Zamasu puts on Future Gowasu's set, they fuse. They're technically the same set of earrings. Or Black vaporizes Gowasu before telling Future Zamasu what happened and destroyed those potaras.

Present doesn't mean the version we see on screen. The Zamasu who Beerus killed is long and gone. Our Goku is safe from his body being switched.

Black is present Zamasu. From an identical timeline. So Trunks changed history for the better again by travelling to the past.

The reason Beerus and Whis sensed Zamasu within Black but with the slight differences is because it's a more deranged and powerful Zamasu. Kinda like Trunks and Future Trunks having similar ki.

So Black is a present Zamasu who pulled all the strings and recruited the Zamasu in Future Trunks' timeline. Black already killed a Goku so, I'm sure that's why Future Zamasu wants his turn. As seen in episode 57.

I hope this clears things up for everyone. Remember, because the spoilers say present Zamasu, it doesn't mean the one that Beerus destroyed. It just means exactly what it means. A present Zamasu from a similar timeline that Trunks never involuntarily saved.

I really like this theory. And it' not too confusing for a kids show imo. (Or DB for that matter)

[Idiotbyte]

SPEEEECULAAAAATIOOOONNNNNNSSSSS.
Most easily, Immortal Zamasu had killed Gowasu (no one stop him) and go to past, save Present Zamasu and everything is fine.
It's a kid show: use Occam Razor, please.

A. Time Rings don't let you travel to the past.
B. "With my first wish with the Super Dragon Balls, we switched bodies."

[ChronoTwigger]

SPEEEECULAAAAATIOOOONNNNNNSSSSS.
Most easily, Immortal Zamasu had killed Gowasu (no one stop him) and go to past, save Present Zamasu and everything is fine.
It's a kid show: use Occam Razor, please.

A. Time Rings don't let you travel to the past.
B. "With my first wish with the Super Dragon Balls, we switched bodies."

A. You could do it, they do it twice, is just bad practice XD.
B. Black wish, not Immortal Zamasu one.

[FortuneSSJ]

-Time Machine size-

If Toriyama wants to bring x characters to the Future, he will find a way to make them fit in the Time Machine.
In General Blue arc, Bulma had a watch that could shrink her almost to the size of an ant. Give one of these watches to each character and even Satan's dog can go to the future.

-Mafuba kills the user-

Not always. Tenshinhan and Kami used it and didn't die.
We could say it's because they weren't successful, but Roshi also wasn't and he still died.

And in the beginning, Kami wanted to get rid of Piccolo without dying too, so he wouldn't use a suicidal move.

I love the idea of a triple Mafuba with Piccolo, Tenshinhan and Roshi, that someone said here before. Unfortunately I don't see it happening.

-Black is present Zamasu-

Confusing. I'm loving this Zamasu Xehanort stuff, but I need more info.
For now, I would only be disappointed if it turn out to be a split like Kami and Piccolo. I want new concepts.

[HeroR]

SPEEEECULAAAAATIOOOONNNNNNSSSSS.
Most easily, Immortal Zamasu had killed Gowasu (no one stop him) and go to past, save Present Zamasu and everything is fine.
It's a kid show: use Occam Razor, please.

A. Time Rings don't let you travel to the past.
B. "With my first wish with the Super Dragon Balls, we switched bodies."

A. You could do it, they do it twice, is just bad practice XD.
B. Black wish, not Immortal Zamasu one.

It was done once and it's because Black was following Trunks' time machine. Even then, he could only stay for a few minutes.

[HeroR]

-Time Machine size-

If Toriyama wants to bring x characters to the Future, he will find a way to make them fit in the Time Machine.
In General Blue arc, Bulma had a watch that could shrink her almost to the size of an ant. Give one of these watches to each character and even Satan's dog can go to the future.

-Mafuba kills the user-

Not always. Tenshinhan and Kami used it and didn't die.
We could say it's because they weren't successful, but Roshi also wasn't and he still died.

And in the beginning, Kami wanted to get rid of Piccolo without dying too, so he wouldn't use a suicidal move.

I love the idea of a triple Mafuba with Piccolo, Tenshinhan and Roshi, that someone said here before. Unfortunately I don't see it happening.

-Black is present Zamasu-

Confusing. I'm loving this Zamasu Xehanort stuff, but I need more info.
For now, I would only be disappointed if it turn out to be a split like Kami and Piccolo. I want new concepts.

Tien using the Evil Containment Wave only happened in the anime. He never got to use it in the manga.

[Lujin_16]

I like the idea that Present Zamasu is Black Goku many were happy that Beerus killed Zamasu and now Akira has trolled everyone

[Sodhi]

Now I am really looking forward to this weekend's episode. Curious as to how they explain everything.

[Lionel]

I'm also ecstatic to hear of the Mafuba's return. The means through which it's brought back, not so much. It seems like a needless gesture to provide Goku with the final act of a battle by going through the tedious endeavour of teaching him the technique rather than bring Roshi, Tenshinhan, or Piccolo to the future so they can perform it. Is there any guarantee of it being the final technique used, though?

[SansrivaaL]

I've never been so hyped about an episode in DBS before, so Black turns out to be present Zamasu? how in the world did that happen? and Mafuba's return, quite conflicted about this whole thing, I mean its cool that Goku learns another technique other than the unlimited turtle wave but I kinda hoped for a different approach on how he should beat an immortal.

[alakazam^]

Not sure what to think of the Mafuuba possibly returning, it seems kinda random although some people here had already talked about it. This also makes me think about Toriyama saying he'd sometimes reread the manga to think about future plotlines and, since people pointed out that the God of Destruction/Kaioushin link was similar to Piccolo and God, I wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama reread the Piccolo arc and took ideas from there. It would be hilarious if Goku asked Piccolo to help him getting used to the technique, though

Also, I'm confused about what's going to happen in what episode. This will be the fighting, the next one the fleeing/Mafuuba and the one after that the Vegeeta one?

[Sodhi]

Summaries, titles and staff listings for #62-65 are out.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Edit: I translated all of the epsiode staff on Animation staff listings thread . Thats all I can do

[Sandubadear]

The first summary of episode 62 and the second summary of episode 63 say something about Piccolo and the Mafuba, omg I wonder what it is.