"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[THEGOKU]

Just saw the recent titles. Man this is really shaping up to be one hell of an ending to the arc. Fusion is now more of a possibility than ever. It must be a potara fusion that Black and Zamasu do and goku and vegeta most likely will do the same since there is no time limit on it. Also happy to see they give Piccolo some sort of relevancy with making that suggestion.

[vilker]

ok my bet:

They use the Mafuba against Black. Black is Zamasu in Goku's body so if the Mafuba is executed successfully, Zamasu will end locked and the other zamasu immediatly will change his potala to the other ear in order to fuse with Goku's body. The result will be an inmortal Zamaku.

I doubt that the Mafuba is for Black but for the other Zamas because the other Zamas is the immortal one.

And who said it months ago that Black will probably fuse? I did. Does not make much sense though because if it is no collective consciousness that holds both of them intact they just give up their consciousness which means the person they are would die to create the new life of a new person.

And the "you are the cause of it all" is a classic bootstrap paradox moment.

Also - Toriyama-san said in an interview once that a fusion can fuse again. So maybe this demands a Goku, Vegeta, Trunks fusion to win? Not that I really think it but of course it is a possibility.

Provably, but Piccolo locked Kamisama and Shen body was freed. So maybe it's the same now and the only way to save that Goku.
Mafuba is the solution to defeat both Zamasus.

[HeroR]

Just saw the recent titles. Man this is really shaping up to be one hell of an ending to the arc. Fusion is now more of a possibility than ever. It must be a potara fusion that Black and Zamasu do and goku and vegeta most likely will do the same since there is no time limit on it. Also happy to see they give Piccolo some sort of relevancy with making that suggestion.

What's the point of Goku and Vegeta fusion if they can't kill fusion Zamasu, or are you thinking that immorality is broken upon fusion.

Provably, but Piccolo locked Kamisama and Shen body was freed. So maybe it's the same now and the only way to save that Goku.

Kami willingly released Shen because he didn't want him trapped with him. So the Evil Containment Wave didn't do it, it was Kami.

[Cetra]

I still want to know why they fuse. I don't think they were losing given that Goku says in the summary that they can't win directly.

Do they need a reason other than arrogance? Freeza just transformed to his true form just to own his enemies even more.

Freeza just went to his true form. Black and Zamasu are united body and mind forever, unless they intend to use the Dragon Balls. That's not something you do lightly, especially if there is no pressing reason.

Yes but it really depends on how they intend to present that fusion. Fusion has never been unequivocal in Dragon Ball. Sometimes it is shown like a collective consciousness with you still existing and sometimes as a totally new individual. If they would still continue to exist I would not think they would have that much of a problem. But maybe they would. I really don't know.

[HeroR]

Yes but it really depends on how they intend to present that fusion. Fusion has never been unequivocal in Dragon Ball. Sometimes it is shown like a collective consciousness with you still existing and sometimes as a totally new individual. If they would still continue to exist I would not think they would have that much of a problem. But maybe they would. I really don't know.

Going by Black, he didn't want immorality because he didn't want to get rusty. Merging with Zamasu and gaining his immorality goes against what he wanted, so it is somewhat of a big deal. It isn't just the merger of consciousness here.

[Alruneia]

I'll quote myself from a Facebook post but with some minor edits:
My guess is that Vegeta (and Goku and Trunks too, but Vegeta has the Fierce Battle) actually does manage to beat Black up pretty well this time. Somehow. Then, out of desperation, Black moves his earring to the other ear, and fuses with Zamasu. The result is... "Zamack"? Anyway, Zamack is probably the "Supreme God" in Episode 65's title, and he's obviously extremely strong because of how Potara fusion works (maybe even above Beerus?). I don't think we'll see Vegito or Gogeta, though, because Zamack is immortal due to Zamasu's immortality, so that wouldn't really help. The Evil Containment Wave (Mafuba) plan doesn't necessarily need that power anyway.

[Cetra]

Yes but it really depends on how they intend to present that fusion. Fusion has never been unequivocal in Dragon Ball. Sometimes it is shown like a collective consciousness with you still existing and sometimes as a totally new individual. If they would still continue to exist I would not think they would have that much of a problem. But maybe they would. I really don't know.

Going by Black, he didn't want immorality because he didn't want to get rusty. Merging with Zamasu and gaining his immorality goes against what he wanted, so it is somewhat of a big deal. It isn't just the merger of consciousness here.

Maybe Zamas forces the fusion while Black is ko or something like that.

[FortuneSSJ]

Goku learning Mafuba in one episode doesn't convince me, so maybe someone will tag along and come with them to the Future.
Vegeta should stay behind and fight with his son.

It's not like there was much competition, but the quality difference of this arc compared to the other three is mind blowing.
If they don't screw up in the end, it may turn out to be one of my favourite arcs that this franchise ever had.

[Psykomatik]

To me : Vegeta and Future Trunks will merge while Goku will prepare the Mafuba

[Cetra]

If they don't screw up in the end, it may turn out to be one of my favourite arcs that this franchise ever had.

Same here. Together with Baby Zamas is my favourite "show villain". I mean, the both have a grudge that could be written to be way more but it is what it is.

The way I see it, Zamas is like Ultimecia from Final Fantasy VIII. Ultimecia is bound to be defeated forever because of her bootstrap paradox. She dies through Squall and gives her power to Edea. Future Ultimecia knows about that and controls Edea now but she does not want to die, leading to the events that have already happened before. In Dragon Ball Trunks goes to find a way to defeat Black but because he does the Zamas disaster happens in the first place.

[namekiansaiyan]

Goku learning Mafuba in one episode doesn't convince me, so maybe someone will tag along and come with them to the Future.
Vegeta should stay behind and fight with his son.

It's not like there was much competition, but the quality difference of this arc compared to the other three is mind blowing.
If they don't screw up in the end, it may turn out to be one of my favourite arcs that this franchise ever had.

Goku should not have the time to learn mafuba as Trunks is about to be killed, so that is why Piccolo, instead of just suggesting Mafuba should do it himself.

[Cetra]

Goku learning Mafuba in one episode doesn't convince me, so maybe someone will tag along and come with them to the Future.
Vegeta should stay behind and fight with his son.

It's not like there was much competition, but the quality difference of this arc compared to the other three is mind blowing.
If they don't screw up in the end, it may turn out to be one of my favourite arcs that this franchise ever had.

Goku should not have the time to learn mafuba as Trunks is about to be killed, so that is why Piccolo, instead of just suggesting Mafuba should do it himself.

They broke the "you can only enter the Room of Spirit in Time twice" rule already so they can just make Goku go in again once more to learn it if they really need time, in theory at least.

[Nekis13]

Will this be an actual thing, then?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Guess this means that with them merged, they'll BOTH be sealed because of immortality.

Where's this from? It looks like Xicor

It's just fanart, I've seen it in DeviantArt before.


On the whole topic of Zamasu merging with Black...

Gogeta, please. PLEASE!

[HeroR]

Goku learning Mafuba in one episode doesn't convince me, so maybe someone will tag along and come with them to the Future.
Vegeta should stay behind and fight with his son.

It's not like there was much competition, but the quality difference of this arc compared to the other three is mind blowing.
If they don't screw up in the end, it may turn out to be one of my favourite arcs that this franchise ever had.

Goku usually learns technique from seeing them used once or twice. It would take him long to learn the Evil Containment Wave. Tien learned it just by seeing Master Roshi using it once.

[Cetra]

Goku learning Mafuba in one episode doesn't convince me, so maybe someone will tag along and come with them to the Future.
Vegeta should stay behind and fight with his son.

It's not like there was much competition, but the quality difference of this arc compared to the other three is mind blowing.
If they don't screw up in the end, it may turn out to be one of my favourite arcs that this franchise ever had.

Goku usually learns technique from seeing them used once or twice. It would take him long to learn the Evil Containment Wave. Tien learned it just by seeing Master Roshi using it once.

Yes, but Tenshinhan also had to train using it afterwards. It is one thing to know the basics and another thing to really master it and in case of the Mafuba you even have to train how to lock on.

[HeroR]

Yes, but Tenshinhan also had to train using it afterwards. It is one thing to know the basics and another thing to really master it.

Goku mastered techniques without needing to practice them. He just does them. Goku always been superior to Tien when it comes to copying techniques.

[Noah]

Will this be an actual thing, then?
[spoiler][spoiler][/spoiler]

Guess this means that with them merged, they'll BOTH be sealed because of immortality.

No, dude... This is ugly as f***, there are better concepts:

[spoiler]
[/spoiler]

They'll likely fuse because of another reason, either its because of the Mafuba or they simply want Goku and co. to feel complete desperation and hopelessness.

Oh, sure... They'll fuse because of the Mafuba, I can picture this:

Zamasu: "Oh no! They know a technique that can seal one person forever in a electric rice cooker! Hurry Black, let's fuse so it will be easier for them!"

Yeah can't see either. They don't have any portara (unless they get given it when they go back in the past) Definitely seems like Mafuba is going to be their trump card.

There's still metamoru fusion, though

If they don't screw up in the end, it may turn out to be one of my favourite arcs that this franchise ever had.

I'll not let myself be taken by hype, it can end as one of the greteast arcs this franchise ever had, but never will surpass the original, maybe if he had less dumb Goku, food and Pilaf gags I could think more about it

[TheMikado]

Will this be an actual thing, then?
[spoiler][spoiler][/spoiler]

Guess this means that with them merged, they'll BOTH be sealed because of immortality.

No, dude... This is ugly as f***, there are better concepts:

[spoiler]
[/spoiler]

They'll likely fuse because of another reason, either its because of the Mafuba or they simply want Goku and co. to feel complete desperation and hopelessness.

Oh, sure... They'll fuse because of the Mafuba, I can picture this:

Zamasu: "Oh no! They know a technique that can seal one person forever in a electric rice cooker! Hurry Black, let's fuse so it will be easier for them!"

Yeah can't see either. They don't have any portara (unless they get given it when they go back in the past) Definitely seems like Mafuba is going to be their trump card.

There's still metamoru fusion, though

If they don't screw up in the end, it may turn out to be one of my favourite arcs that this franchise ever had.

I'll not let myself be taken by hype, it can end as one of the greteast arcs this franchise ever had, but never will surpass the original, maybe if he had less dumb Goku, food and Pilaf gags I could think more about it

Those looks even more like Xicor to me...

[namekiansaiyan]

Goku learning Mafuba in one episode doesn't convince me, so maybe someone will tag along and come with them to the Future.
Vegeta should stay behind and fight with his son.

It's not like there was much competition, but the quality difference of this arc compared to the other three is mind blowing.
If they don't screw up in the end, it may turn out to be one of my favourite arcs that this franchise ever had.

Goku should not have the time to learn mafuba as Trunks is about to be killed, so that is why Piccolo, instead of just suggesting Mafuba should do it himself.

They broke the "you can only enter the Room of Spirit in Time twice" rule already so they can just make Goku go in again once more to learn it if they really need time, in theory at least.

This would just be stealing from a great Piccolo, Tien nd Roshi if Goku learns it and I do not like the idea of that one bit.

[Nekis13]

I wouldn't be surprised if a Black/Zamasu fusion looks similar to Xicor/Zaiko. I mean, the concepts are already similar and Toyble IS Toriyama's right hand as of now.