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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:39 am

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:What if Goku married Bulma instead of Chi-Chi?
The Dragon World would have been much better off with these two together than when compared to canon as Goku and Bulma were already childhood friends, plus Goku would have vastly improved in his training and regimen with the help of his new wife and father in law giving him access to training equipment strong enough for him and even possibly an artificial higher gravity chamber even before he had used it to train in the original story, and not to mention, because of Son Goku’s gentler nature towards her than when compared to the relationship Bulma has with Vegeta; the couple might have provided more than just than a few new members to keep the Earth's peace.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:No Gotenks :(
I don't really think so, Jinzoningen MULE. For there is always the chance that Future Trunks just might accidentally make a trip to that parallel world if both Goten and Trunks are not born together in that world as brothers to Goku and Bulma.

What if hearing about his father's death had caused Future Gohan to go Super Saiyan? Or if he had attained the transformation much earlier following him hearing his father being stomped by Raditz?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:39 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:What if Goku married Bulma instead of Chi-Chi?
People believe that Gohan got his anger boost from Chi Chi. So I think Gohan would be much weaker and we would probably lose to Radditz unless Goku found away to defeat him like with the taioken. If they defeat Radditz, I don't think Gohan would get the hidden power boost in the Namek saga. They will probably lose to Freeza later on.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:39 pm

What if Mr. Son Goku and Mr. Piccolo (Sync With Nail) had their potential unlocked by Grand Elder Guru before they went on to fight most of the Ginyu Force and Second Form Frieza respectively?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:08 pm

Guru was already dead when Piccolo show up, so it would be too late. Goku may get a stronger boost, so he may able to beat the Ginyu force faster if he has hidden ki to be unlocked.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by MatrixChap » Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:27 pm

What if there was no such thing as Fusion?

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Post by Anime Kitten » Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:38 pm

MatrixChap wrote:What if there was no such thing as Fusion?
Goku and Vegeta would somehow have to beat Buu without it. Though I'm very uncertain as to how...
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:54 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
MatrixChap wrote:What if there was no such thing as Fusion?
Goku and Vegeta would somehow have to beat Buu without it. Though I'm very uncertain as to how...
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by ryou766 » Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:58 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:What if Goku married Bulma instead of Chi-Chi?
No Gotenks :(
Well, if Chichi got with Vegeta rather than Goku and had a kid, the children of Goku/Bulma and Vegeta/Chichi could still be... Gotenks, in a way?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Alruneia » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:04 pm

MatrixChap wrote:What if there was no such thing as Fusion?
This was actually fun to write! Here's my take:

Ultimate Gohan vs Super Buu would be the climax battle of the Buu arc as Gotenks wouldn't be there to be absorbed. Uub might not be made as a consequence of this. Old Kai would also not transfer his life force to Goku, meaning that Goku remains dead.

Battle of Gods would have Vegeta as the main character, and both Pan and Bulla would have to be used in the ritual. I'll assume that the arc happens in 780 to compensate. Vegeta manages to save Earth by promising Beerus tons of food from Bulma plus a rematch after training.

Resurrection F (now in Age 781) is a disaster, as Vegeta must travel with Whis to get back to Earth instead of using Goku's Instant Transmission. Everyone on the scene dies. An enraged SSJ Blue Vegeta kills Golden Frieza before going to New Namek with Whis and using their Dragon Balls. Frieza does not blow up the planet; Vegeta does not give him any breathing room (because of Bulma and Trunks' deaths) to do it.

Goku, being dead, does not suggest support the Beerus-Champa tournament, so Beerus turns Champa's challenge down. The arc does not happen. Vegeta remains unknowing of Cabba, Planet Salad and the Universe 6 saiyans. Zen'ou does not get introduced.

Zamasu follows the Super manga's story and hears from the Supreme Kai about how Gohan defeated Buu. Present Zamasu becomes Gohan Black and terrorises Future Trunks' timeline. Future Trunks returns to the present and meets Vegeta and Gohan. Future Trunks attacks Gohan, confused. Gohan Black comes to the present and battles Gohan, beating him until Vegeta bails him out. Gohan Black is pulled back into the future, but achieves a pink version of Super Saiyan 2 which he names Rosé. I'll refrain from creating the rest of this story until it finishes.

The End of Z story happens like this: Vegeta and co. enter the 28th tournament and fight there. If Uub exists, he is based on Super Buu's power, not Kid Buu's, and is naturally stronger than canon Uub. Vegeta and Uub meet naturally in one of the finals (Fat Buu is also dead, so no magic cheating). Uub is stronger than Base Vegeta, but SSJ Vegeta overwhelms him. Vegeta has no further interest in Uub, sending him home empty handed. Gohan takes pity on Uub, however, and uses his connection with Mr. Satan to give his village monetary aid. If Uub does not exist, the tournament completes normally and everyone goes home.

EDIT: Fixed a detail.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Anime Kitten » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:08 pm

Alruneia wrote:This was actually fun to write! Here's my take:
[spoiler]Ultimate Gohan vs Super Buu would be the climax battle of the Buu arc as Gotenks wouldn't be there to be absorbed. Uub might not be made as a consequence of this. Old Kai would also not transfer his life force to Goku, meaning that Goku remains dead.

Battle of Gods would have Vegeta as the main character, and both Pan and Bulla would have to be used in the ritual. I'll assume that the arc happens in 780 to compensate. Vegeta manages to save Earth by promising Beerus tons of food from Bulma plus a rematch after training.

Resurrection F (now in Age 781) is a disaster, as Vegeta must travel with Whis to get back to Earth instead of using Goku's Instant Transmission. Everyone on the scene dies. An enraged SSJ Blue Vegeta kills Golden Frieza before going to New Namek with Whis and using their Dragon Balls. Frieza does not blow up the planet; Vegeta does not give him any breathing room (because of Bulma and Trunks' deaths) to do it.

Goku, being dead, does not suggest the Beerus-Champa tournament. The arc does not happen. Vegeta remains unknowing of Cabba, Planet Salad and the Universe 6 saiyans. Zen'ou does not get introduced.

Zamasu follows the Super manga's story and hears from the Supreme Kai about how Gohan defeated Buu. Present Zamasu becomes Gohan Black and terrorises Future Trunks' timeline. Future Trunks returns to the present and meets Vegeta and Gohan. Future Trunks attacks Gohan, confused. Gohan Black comes to the present and battles Gohan, beating him until Vegeta bails him out. Gohan Black is pulled back into the future, but achieves a pink version of Super Saiyan 2 which he names Rosé. I'll refrain from creating the rest of this story until it finishes.

The End of Z story happens like this: Vegeta and co. enter the 28th tournament and fight there. If Uub exists, he is based on Super Buu's power, not Kid Buu's, and is naturally stronger than canon Uub. Vegeta and Uub meet naturally in one of the finals (Fat Buu is also dead, so no magic cheating). Uub is stronger than Base Vegeta, but SSJ Vegeta overwhelms him. Vegeta has no further interest in Uub, sending him home empty handed. Gohan takes pity on Uub, however, and uses his connection with Mr. Satan to give his village monetary aid. If Uub does not exist, the tournament completes normally and everyone goes home.[/spoiler]
How come Rosé is SSJ2 and not, say, Ultimate? Besides that, loved this. :clap:
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Alruneia » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:15 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
Alruneia wrote:<snip>
How come Rosé is SSJ2 and not, say, Ultimate? Besides that, loved this. :clap:
You saw in the canon Resurrection F that Gohan lost his Ultimate powers and had to use SSJ. This is once again the case, only he re-attains SSJ2 by training with Piccolo between the Resurrection F arc and the Black arc. His realisation that he needs to be strong, which we saw in Super's version of the story, is much more important here because his father isn't around.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Noah » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:18 pm

Alruneia wrote:
MatrixChap wrote:What if there was no such thing as Fusion?
This was actually fun to write! Here's my take:
I was enjoying till BoG, I think it was forced to Vegeta be the main character, I mean Beerus could pretty much meet Goku in the afterlife, fight with him and then get a permit to go the Earth for one day and become a God, now I don't know if he could train with Whis being dead or get the same permit to save his friends from Freeza in F, he could even ask to be revived at some point, I think, well apart from that, I liked the Gohan Black concept :thumbup:
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:30 pm

What if Dabra killed Piccolo and Kuririn instead of turning them into stone?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:32 pm

What if Goku Black had appeared in Dragon Ball GT during SSJ4 Goku and Golden Great Ape Baby's second battle on Planet Tuffle instead of following Future Trunks with the Time Ring he had stolen?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:40 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:What if Dabra killed Piccolo and Kuririn instead of turning them into stone?
Then Dabura would have been faced with an enraged SSJ2 Gohan who would have killed him like how Teen Gohan had done to Super Bojack and the Galaxy Soldiers in Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Alruneia » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:49 pm

Noah wrote:
Alruneia wrote:
MatrixChap wrote:What if there was no such thing as Fusion?
This was actually fun to write! Here's my take:
I was enjoying till BoG, I think it was forced to Vegeta be the main character, I mean Beerus could pretty much meet Goku in the afterlife, fight with him and then get a permit to go the Earth for one day and become a God, now I don't know if he could train with Whis being dead or get the same permit to save his friends from Freeza in F, he could even ask to be revived at some point, I think, well apart from that, I liked the Gohan Black concept :thumbup:
Reusing the "Goku is back on Earth for one day!" idea in the Battle of Gods arc right after it was used in the Buu arc would be bad storytelling, not to mention much more forced, and convoluted, even, than just shifting the timeline slightly and having God Vegeta. Furthermore, I'm not sure Baba is even able to bring the same person to Earth for a day twice. Using it a third time in the Resurrection F arc, so that the same concept appears three arcs in a row, would be straight up pathetic storytelling.
Though a resurrection wish could be used at some point or another, which would essentially revert this what-if to canon.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:54 am

Without fusion, how can Goku and Vegeta defeat Janemba in DBZ Movie 12?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:57 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:Without fusion, how can Goku and Vegeta defeat Janemba in DBZ Movie 12?
The same way they do in most other movies, make a Genki Dama.
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Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:04 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:Without fusion, how can Goku and Vegeta defeat Janemba in DBZ Movie 12?
They wouldn't, because the movie wouldn't have been made if Fusion was never implemented. Janemba, sure, but with a vastly differing storyline to his movie.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:36 pm

What if Goku had tracked Gero down and attempted to reason with him before he made himself an android?
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