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Re: Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" dub seems to be coming...

Post by Arian » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:30 pm

8000 Saiyan wrote:...he obviously had to hear Cox's Goku to say if he was perfect for the part.
Or he could have just fabricated the assessment.
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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:31 pm

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TheBlackPaladin wrote: I really, really, really want to learn more about this dub's supposed sighting in Korea, though. It likely was just a made-up rumor, but on the other hand, the source described Brian Drummond's most current Vegeta voice as "a cross between his traditional Vegeta voice and his Zechs Marquise voice," and that actually gave the rumor a little more credibility in my mind because I think that's an excellent description of how Drummond has sounded at recent cons when asked to do his Vegeta voice.
I have mixed feelings about this. It doesn't make sense that this dub (which was created for Canadian and UK TV broadcast) would air in Korea, but the guy who apparently saw this dub's first three episodes said that Richard Ian Cox as Goku was perfect casting and that Raditz's voice sounds like Justin Cook...he obviously had to hear Cox's Goku to say if he was perfect for the part.
Not necessarily, unfortunately. The internet has no shortage of people who make stuff up just to get attention. Like Arian said, even the person who talked about Drummond's Vegeta could have been making it up based on hearing clips of Drummond at cons.

Also, I forget the name of the show, but apparently Ocean did produce an English dub of a show that aired in an Aisan territory, so it's not out of the question that this aired in Korea. On a vaguely similar note, there was an LA-based dub of Shin Chan that, for God-knows-why, only aired in the UK.
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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:40 pm

Oh, that dub with Kath Soucie as Shin-Chan? I have heard some clips and she's good. Pity she hasn't done much anime. It must cost a lot to bring voice actors who work mostly in western animation to dub anime.
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Post by Attitudefan » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:06 pm

Seriously, if any of you know Canadian TV, since the mid 2000s, is has been trash. Utter garbage. I'd say, when they cut Death Note off air, and reduced the anime hour at night on YTV, and then within weeks cancelled the whole anime night block, was the last vestige of good animation on Canadian TV. By 2005, daytime/prime time TV in Canada only consisted of poor sitcoms, and if there was animation on a network, it would only be Spongebob.

Outside of Quebec, where smaller productions and animation flourish, there's nothing left but reality TV, especially on basic networks. Spike, during this period of time, cancelled their deal with the WWF and replaced it with CSI and its spinoffs and the UFC and all its spinoffs (which essentially is reality TV outside of the main fight cards). That, and 1000 ways to die. So, in Canada, you had news, sitcoms (a plethora of lower budget, unfunny ones), and Nickelodeon cartoons only (which, as time went on, only consisted of Spongebob), hockey/sports/UFC. Outside of crime drama, entertainment outside of comedic dominated genres were removed from Canadian television networks (especially on most cable packages outside of PPV).

Anime was removed from TV, yet, anime is more widely known now than it was at the beginning of the millennium and is a successful industry despite not having any television airtime; ironically, anime by the late 2000s and into the 2010s has mainstream acceptance which it did not have when they actually aired anime on TV!


Not surprised they couldn't get a deal for one of the most popular animes ever. Canadian TV has erased that form of entertainment from its networks and they never looked back. Unsurprisingly, TV ratings are down across the board as time goes on. They don't offer variety like they use to (and therefore, people look to the internet because they can't get it on TV). I am damn sure if Canadian TV aired more of a variety like it did in the 90s and early 2000s, ratings would be higher for sure. Walking Dead and Breaking Bad had some of the highest ratings ever, so the internet excuse doesn't always apply. Dragonball would do immense ratings if aired on TV since it is something people want and it is unique compared to its contemporary competition.

Hell, I'd love to know what the ratings on YTV were when they had that retro week, which built up to the last day and the last show for the retro block, they aired the very first episode of DBZ Saban dub!!! This was back in 06/07/08 (can't remember the exact date, but I was so damn nostalgic and happy), and Carlos and Sugar (the hosts) said it was the most demanded show they received by the viewers when they promoted and aired retro week.
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Post by sangofe » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:08 am

Attitudefan wrote:Seriously, if any of you know Canadian TV, since the mid 2000s, is has been trash. Utter garbage. I'd say, when they cut Death Note off air, and reduced the anime hour at night on YTV, and then within weeks cancelled the whole anime night block, was the last vestige of good animation on Canadian TV. By 2005, daytime/prime time TV in Canada only consisted of poor sitcoms, and if there was animation on a network, it would only be Spongebob.

Outside of Quebec, where smaller productions and animation flourish, there's nothing left but reality TV, especially on basic networks. Spike, during this period of time, cancelled their deal with the WWF and replaced it with CSI and its spinoffs and the UFC and all its spinoffs (which essentially is reality TV outside of the main fight cards). That, and 1000 ways to die. So, in Canada, you had news, sitcoms (a plethora of lower budget, unfunny ones), and Nickelodeon cartoons only (which, as time went on, only consisted of Spongebob), hockey/sports/UFC. Outside of crime drama, entertainment outside of comedic dominated genres were removed from Canadian television networks (especially on most cable packages outside of PPV).

Anime was removed from TV, yet, anime is more widely known now than it was at the beginning of the millennium and is a successful industry despite not having any television airtime; ironically, anime by the late 2000s and into the 2010s has mainstream acceptance which it did not have when they actually aired anime on TV!


Not surprised they couldn't get a deal for one of the most popular animes ever. Canadian TV has erased that form of entertainment from its networks and they never looked back. Unsurprisingly, TV ratings are down across the board as time goes on. They don't offer variety like they use to (and therefore, people look to the internet because they can't get it on TV). I am damn sure if Canadian TV aired more of a variety like it did in the 90s and early 2000s, ratings would be higher for sure. Walking Dead and Breaking Bad had some of the highest ratings ever, so the internet excuse doesn't always apply. Dragonball would do immense ratings if aired on TV since it is something people want and it is unique compared to its contemporary competition.

Hell, I'd love to know what the ratings on YTV were when they had that retro week, which built up to the last day and the last show for the retro block, they aired the very first episode of DBZ Saban dub!!! This was back in 06/07/08 (can't remember the exact date, but I was so damn nostalgic and happy), and Carlos and Sugar (the hosts) said it was the most demanded show they received by the viewers when they promoted and aired retro week.
This sounds like Norwegian tv... Except they never really aired anime except in the 80's and the mainstream crap that is beyblade, pokemon, digimon and yokai watch.

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Post by Attitudefan » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:15 am

Other countries are much luckier than both Norway and Canada :lol:
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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:58 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:I can't reveal the source or the specific network in question (here or in PMs, to be clear), but the producers--whoever they are--apparently did approach a particular Canadian TV network on and off for several years to try and get the show on the air, only to give up when it became clear this network just wasn't biting. So, between clues and actual statements from those involved, all signs really do point to uninterested Canadian TV networks as being the main reason we never saw this dub.
There are only two non-educational English Canadian children's broadcast companies, and only one has had a history with Dragon Ball. It's not exactly a mystery to find out who you're referring to. :wink:

That's why I'm going to suggest people send their programming suggestions here. There's a far greater chance an actual human being will read it.
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Post by Arian » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:43 pm

Super Saiyan Prime wrote:
TheBlackPaladin wrote:I can't reveal the source or the specific network in question (here or in PMs, to be clear), but the producers--whoever they are--apparently did approach a particular Canadian TV network on and off for several years to try and get the show on the air, only to give up when it became clear this network just wasn't biting. So, between clues and actual statements from those involved, all signs really do point to uninterested Canadian TV networks as being the main reason we never saw this dub.
There are only two non-educational English Canadian children's broadcast companies, and only one has had a history with Dragon Ball. It's not exactly a mystery to find out who you're referring to. :wink:

That's why I'm going to suggest people send their programming suggestions here. There's a far greater chance an actual human being will read it.
YTV, those bastards. :x

CHRGD is a great option for Kai. I'm definitely going to send an email to them. But I'm worried that they're going to deem it to adult for the "Family" channels.
Was the hate for Kai largely unjustified?
Super Saiyan Prime wrote:It's an edited, cynically produced, cheap recut with a poorly utilized ancient score and awful scene recreations that later got traded in for a weird green tint.

The story of Kai's production is far more interesting than the actual product.
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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:01 pm

Arian wrote:
Super Saiyan Prime wrote:
TheBlackPaladin wrote:I can't reveal the source or the specific network in question (here or in PMs, to be clear), but the producers--whoever they are--apparently did approach a particular Canadian TV network on and off for several years to try and get the show on the air, only to give up when it became clear this network just wasn't biting. So, between clues and actual statements from those involved, all signs really do point to uninterested Canadian TV networks as being the main reason we never saw this dub.
There are only two non-educational English Canadian children's broadcast companies, and only one has had a history with Dragon Ball. It's not exactly a mystery to find out who you're referring to. :wink:

That's why I'm going to suggest people send their programming suggestions here. There's a far greater chance an actual human being will read it.
YTV, those bastards. :x

CHRGD is a great option for Kai. I'm definitely going to send an email to them. But I'm worried that they're going to deem it to adult for the "Family" channels.
Maybe, maybe not. In all likelihood, the footage they have is the edited footage used for the Nicktoons airing of the FUNimation dub, so a lot of the more objectionable stuff, in all likelihood, been removed from this TV-only dub.
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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:03 pm

OK, so I decided to message Lee Tockar via Facebook about the cancellation issue. When I asked Tockar if there was any truth to it he said:

"Not as far as I know"

Then I proceeded to ask if he's allowed to say whether or not it will be released, and he responded with:

"Not allowed to say but I have heard it is coming :)"

I want to be cautiously optimistic here because reading between the lines it sounds like Tockar is saying he was informed this dub will be airing, and he is not allowed to say when that will be.

On the other hand there is the scenario previously mentioned where he was cleared to annonce he was Frieza because the dub was cancelled and he had no obligation to keep it a secret, but if that was the case why would he say on more than one occasion that he was told the dub is still coming?
Super Saiyan Prime wrote:That's why I'm going to suggest people send their programming suggestions here. There's a far greater chance an actual human being will read it.
Thanks, I will definitely send them a suggestion for the Ocean Group dub of "Dragon Ball Kai".
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Post by Arian » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:19 pm

*Sigh* At least we got some positive energy going about this project to counteract the negative.

Good looking out, @Dragon Ball Ireland! :)
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Super Saiyan Prime wrote:It's an edited, cynically produced, cheap recut with a poorly utilized ancient score and awful scene recreations that later got traded in for a weird green tint.

The story of Kai's production is far more interesting than the actual product.
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Post by NitroEX » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:22 pm

It would also be pretty redundant to even bother announcing he's playing Frieza if they informed him the dub was never coming out. He seemed excited when he announced it this time which leaves me hopeful. I doubt he'd go out of his way to make that kind of announcement a second time without at least being a little sure of something.

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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:23 pm

Dragon Ball Ireland wrote:OK, so I decided to message Lee Tockar via Facebook about the cancellation issue. When I asked Tockar if there was any truth to it he said:

"Not as far as I know"

Then I proceeded to ask if he's allowed to say whether or not it will be released, and he responded with:

"Not allowed to say but I have heard it is coming :)"

I want to be cautiously optimistic here because reading between the lines it sounds like Tockar is saying he was informed this dub will be airing, and he is not allowed to say when that will be.

On the other hand there is the scenario previously mentioned where he was cleared to annonce he was Frieza because the dub was cancelled and he had no obligation to keep it a secret, but if that was the case why would he say on more than one occasion that he was told the dub is still coming?
This just gets more confusing. But if we ever see this dub, then I hope we see it uncut.
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Post by Bansho64 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:23 pm

Well, maybe this thing is coming. I hope the replacement score is good. If it's anything made by a live orchestra, there's a chance I'll love it. If anything, this thread ain't going down anytime soon.

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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:49 pm

8000 Saiyan wrote:This just gets more confusing. But if we ever see this dub, then I hope we see it uncut.
Ocean Studios appeared in the credits of the Nicktoons-edited version as being the ones responsible for the edits for the Nicktoons airing of the FUNImation dub. Between that and the Ocean dub being a TV-only dub, there's almost zero chance of it being uncut.

As for what Lee Tockar said...I don't mean to be the pessimistic one here, but it's worth remembering that voice actors are just not very reliable sources of release dates. I don't mean that in a bad way, and I'm not at all suggesting that Tockar was lying. I just mean that actors are only responsible for what they're paid to be responsible for, which in this case means acting. They are never given info on release dates, and only find out when something's coming out when the rest of us do: when the trailers and promos hit. So, I'm certain he didn't have any bad intentions, but I'd take his words with a grain of salt...he's just not in a position to know, unless the info was somehow leaked to him (which, hey, it might have been...but I doubt it).
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Post by Arian » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:59 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:As for what Lee Tockar said...I don't mean to be the pessimistic one here, but it's worth remembering that voice actors are just not very reliable sources of release dates. I don't mean that in a bad way, and I'm not at all suggesting that Tockar was lying. I just mean that actors are only responsible for what they're paid to be responsible for, which in this case means acting. They are never given info on release dates, and only find out when something's coming out when the rest of us do: when the trailers and promos hit. So, I'm certain he didn't have any bad intentions, but I'd take his words with a grain of salt...he's just not in a position to know, unless the info was somehow leaked to him (which, hey, it might have been...but I doubt it).
Normally I'd agree but he said that he wasn't allowed to say when it's coming. That means that something must be going on that we don't know about, and that Tockar knows what that is, but is forbidden from telling us.
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Super Saiyan Prime wrote:It's an edited, cynically produced, cheap recut with a poorly utilized ancient score and awful scene recreations that later got traded in for a weird green tint.

The story of Kai's production is far more interesting than the actual product.
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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:04 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:As for what Lee Tockar said...I don't mean to be the pessimistic one here, but it's worth remembering that voice actors are just not very reliable sources of release dates. I don't mean that in a bad way, and I'm not at all suggesting that Tockar was lying. I just mean that actors are only responsible for what they're paid to be responsible for, which in this case means acting. They are never given info on release dates, and only find out when something's coming out when the rest of us do: when the trailers and promos hit. So, I'm certain he didn't have any bad intentions, but I'd take his words with a grain of salt...he's just not in a position to know, unless the info was somehow leaked to him (which, hey, it might have been...but I doubt it).
The reason I brought this to Tockar's attention is because we were speculating, based on what Kirbographer said that perhaps he could have posted that Facebook status if the powers that be informed him that the dub was definitely cancelled. I know voice actors aren't told about release dates, but I asked Tockar to gauge in a roundabout way whether or not there were NDAs, which would theoretically be unnecessary if the dub was not happening.
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Post by SX10 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:26 pm

I hear the replacement score is meant to be amazing. Akin to DC animated shows like Justice League or Teen Titans :/

I really value Lee Tockar's words because he's pushed beyond acting, he's interested in production himself and he seems savvy on that side of things. I trust he knows what he's doing.

Interesting side note, I e-mailed Teletoon and got an automated response and it highlighted some new shows they are bringing to the channel:

"This month, enjoy new shows on TELETOON!

We’re adding Masha & the Bear, Beyblade Burst and new episodes of your TELETOON favourites like Alvinnnn!!! And the Chipmunks, Wabbit, Yu-Gi-Oh and more!"

It's slim pickings, but it's a start? Remember to always specify that we are after the Ocean dub :mrgreen:


Edit: Also, not to get mystical and stuff, but I remember some time ago, a user on here made a fun bet that when this thread reached a certain number of pages, the dub would be released. Needless to say this didn't come to pass. But way back when I saw it, I made a bet of my own that it would happen if we reached page 186 :L A few days ago I was gutted because I thought there was no chance of that happening anymore haha.
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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:50 pm

I don't want you guys to hype up the dub's soundtrack. We know who's doing it. They recycle music tracks from unrelated shows. There's a good chance any of Kai's original music can be heard in Scan2Go or LBX.
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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:02 pm

Super Saiyan Prime wrote:I don't want you guys to hype up the dub's soundtrack. We know who's doing it. They recycle music tracks from unrelated shows. There's a good chance any of Kai's original music can be heard in Scan2Go or LBX.
They're probably not recycling Megaman music anymore. And why didn't they make original music for those shows instead of recycling music from that cartoon? Are they so proud of it that they think it's the best score for a cartoon?
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