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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:15 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) What if Teen Gohan had transformed into a Super Saiyan 3 following his father's sacrifice, but before Cell had returned?
First off, Cell is defeated easily. Everything else plays out normally until his battle against Dabra, whom Gohan kills easily. Since he's dead, Babidi never has the idea to enslave Vegeta, Babidi can't get the energy required, and Dragon Ball Z ends with Goku spending his last day on Earth with his friends and family, (and getting that fight with Vegeta, of course).
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Noah » Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:04 pm

What if Piccolo accidentally blow up Gohan's head by using his clothes beam? How the events would play after that?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:16 pm

Noah wrote:What if Piccolo accidentally blow up Gohan's head by using his clothes beam? How the events would play after that?
...Ignoring what the rogue A. I. just had said, what if Tween Gohan had joined Future Trunks in his first and second trip to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber?

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Post by Anime Kitten » Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:51 pm

Noah wrote:What if Piccolo accidentally blow up Gohan's head by using his clothes beam? How the events would play after that?
The Spirit Bomb wouldn't have worked, and the Z-Fighters lose. :P
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:25 pm

1) What if Kid Gohan both had Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Junior as his mentors following the defeat of Raditz?

2) What if Goten had interfered before Videl was beaten into submission by Spopovitch?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:41 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) What if Kid Gohan both had Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Junior as his mentors following the defeat of Raditz?

2) What if Goten had interfered before Videl was beaten into submission by Spopovitch?
1) I doubt Piccolo could have created an exact copy while maintaining his own life force, but I doubt there's anything to back that up. If it did happen, I doubt anything important would change.

2) Videl doesn't get injured, Gohan keeps his identity secret for 5 extra seconds. That's all.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:44 pm

What if Bardock was flung forwards in time after Episode of Bardock and arrived on Namek when Frieza's in his second form?

I remember reading SS Bardock was about equal to Form 2 or Form 3 Frieza. I can't remember which.

What happens?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:43 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:What if Bardock was flung forwards in time after Episode of Bardock and arrived on Namek when Frieza's in his second form?

I remember reading SS Bardock was about equal to Form 2 or Form 3 Frieza. I can't remember which.

What happens?
Super Saiyan Bardock is actually between Super Saiyan Son Goku and Full Power Frieza from the Frieza Saga in pure battle power, but both Vegeta and Second Form Frieza would have had been killed by the father of Goku. Since the Saiyan Prince would still have targeted Gohan and the Z Fighters once Frieza had been dealt with even after seeing for himself in Bardock absolutely obliterating his former boss in an instant...just out of him wanting to follow in Frieza's legacy.

And with the threats of both the Bringer of Death and the Evil Emperor subdued, Bardock would have finally been able to accomplish his life's goal of avenging all those Vegeta and Frieza had killed over the years. He then would have had been an invaluable ally to the Z Warriors especially since he would never pull any sort of dick move like how Vegeta just loved to do. To sum it up really, the events following Frieza's destruction would have been nothing but smooth sailing for the Universe as Bardock would have then made it his life's mission to train and become strong enough to always be able to stop anything or anyone from hurting his family on Earth.

P. S. If Gine couldn't have been brought back to life to live with Bardock on Earth, then Bardock would have simply asked for permission to visit her and his friends in the Otherworld with the help of his son and King Kai pulling some strings for him.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:49 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:What if Bardock was flung forwards in time after Episode of Bardock and arrived on Namek when Frieza's in his second form?

I remember reading SS Bardock was about equal to Form 2 or Form 3 Frieza. I can't remember which.

What happens?
Super Saiyan Bardock is actually between Super Saiyan Son Goku and Full Power Frieza from the Frieza Saga in pure battle power, but both Vegeta and Second Form Frieza would have had been killed by the father of Goku. Since the Saiyan Prince would still have targeted Gohan and the Z Fighters once Frieza had been dealt with even after seeing for himself in Bardock absolutely obliterating his former boss in an instant...just out of him wanting to follow in Frieza's legacy.

And with the threats of both the Bringer of Death and the Evil Emperor subdued, Bardock would have finally been able to accomplish his life's goal of avenging all those Vegeta and Frieza had killed over the years. He then would have had been an invaluable ally to the Z Warriors especially since he would never pull any sort of dick move like how Vegeta just loved to do. To sum it up really, the events following Frieza's destruction would have been nothing but smooth sailing for the Universe as Bardock would have then made it his life's mission to train and become strong enough to always be able to stop anything or anyone from hurting his family on Earth.

P. S. If Gine couldn't have been brought back to life to live with Bardock on Earth, then Bardock would have simply asked for permission to visit her and his friends in the Otherworld with the help of his son and King Kai pulling some strings for him.
Wait, what?

Bardock had a PL of 10,000 when battling Frieza before being sent to the past. It's unclear whether he got a zenkai from that. Even after beating Chilled, as a Super Saiyan he'd be around 2nd Form Frieza. No way he's strong than SS Goku.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:02 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:What if Bardock was flung forwards in time after Episode of Bardock and arrived on Namek when Frieza's in his second form?

I remember reading SS Bardock was about equal to Form 2 or Form 3 Frieza. I can't remember which.

What happens?
Super Saiyan Bardock is actually between Super Saiyan Son Goku and Full Power Frieza from the Frieza Saga in pure battle power, but both Vegeta and Second Form Frieza would have had been killed by the father of Goku. Since the Saiyan Prince would still have targeted Gohan and the Z Fighters once Frieza had been dealt with even after seeing for himself in Bardock absolutely obliterating his former boss in an instant...just out of him wanting to follow in Frieza's legacy.

And with the threats of both the Bringer of Death and the Evil Emperor subdued, Bardock would have finally been able to accomplish his life's goal of avenging all those Vegeta and Frieza had killed over the years. He then would have had been an invaluable ally to the Z Warriors especially since he would never pull any sort of dick move like how Vegeta just loved to do. To sum it up really, the events following Frieza's destruction would have been nothing but smooth sailing for the Universe as Bardock would have then made it his life's mission to train and become strong enough to always be able to stop anything or anyone from hurting his family on Earth.

P. S. If Gine couldn't have been brought back to life to live with Bardock on Earth, then Bardock would have simply asked for permission to visit her and his friends in the Otherworld with the help of his son and King Kai pulling some strings for him.
Wait, what?

Bardock had a PL of 10,000 when battling Frieza before being sent to the past. It's unclear whether he got a zenkai from that. Even after beating Chilled, as a Super Saiyan he'd be around 2nd Form Frieza. No way he's strong than SS Goku.
I beg to differ, anyone with the basic Super Saiyan transformation attained even for the first time can defeat any form of Frieza from the Frieza Saga...with the possible exception of those highly inexperienced with the form like Future Trunks in the manga.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:07 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: Super Saiyan Bardock is actually between Super Saiyan Son Goku and Full Power Frieza from the Frieza Saga in pure battle power, but both Vegeta and Second Form Frieza would have had been killed by the father of Goku. Since the Saiyan Prince would still have targeted Gohan and the Z Fighters once Frieza had been dealt with even after seeing for himself in Bardock absolutely obliterating his former boss in an instant...just out of him wanting to follow in Frieza's legacy.

And with the threats of both the Bringer of Death and the Evil Emperor subdued, Bardock would have finally been able to accomplish his life's goal of avenging all those Vegeta and Frieza had killed over the years. He then would have had been an invaluable ally to the Z Warriors especially since he would never pull any sort of dick move like how Vegeta just loved to do. To sum it up really, the events following Frieza's destruction would have been nothing but smooth sailing for the Universe as Bardock would have then made it his life's mission to train and become strong enough to always be able to stop anything or anyone from hurting his family on Earth.

P. S. If Gine couldn't have been brought back to life to live with Bardock on Earth, then Bardock would have simply asked for permission to visit her and his friends in the Otherworld with the help of his son and King Kai pulling some strings for him.
Wait, what?

Bardock had a PL of 10,000 when battling Frieza before being sent to the past. It's unclear whether he got a zenkai from that. Even after beating Chilled, as a Super Saiyan he'd be around 2nd Form Frieza. No way he's strong than SS Goku.
I beg to differ, anyone with the basic Super Saiyan transformation attained even for the first time can defeat any form of Frieza from the Frieza Saga...with the possible exception of those highly inexperienced with the form like Future Trunks in the manga.
The SS transformation is 50x the base PL. Even if Bardock got a zenkai during EoB, his PL in base would be like 20k there, and 1 million in SS. Even then, SS Bardock is nowhere NEAR close to Frieza beyond his third form. 4th Form/50%/70%/100% would CRUSH SS Bardock.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Dorexx » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:48 am

What if Ran Fan took off all her clothes during her fight with Nam?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:04 pm

Dorexx wrote:What if Ran Fan took off all her clothes during her fight with Nam?
Then both Master Roshi and Nam would have fainted.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by DBS916 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:20 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Dorexx wrote:What if Ran Fan took off all her clothes during her fight with Nam?
Then both Master Roshi and Nam would have fainted.
With Roshi dying of extreme blood loss before he can fight Goku in the finals.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:24 pm

DBS916 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Dorexx wrote:What if Ran Fan took off all her clothes during her fight with Nam?
Then both Master Roshi and Nam would have fainted.
With Roshi dying of extreme blood loss before he can fight Goku in the finals.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:38 pm

What if Vegeta was on Earth when Garlic Jr. got out of the Dead Zone?

Would Vegeta make Garlic Jr. his punching bag?

Would he go Super Saiyan at the discovery that someone had achieved immortality with ease, while he died trying?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Anime Kitten » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:43 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:What if Vegeta was on Earth when Garlic Jr. got out of the Dead Zone?
Would Vegeta make Garlic Jr. his punching bag? Would he go Super Saiyan at the discovery that someone had achieved immortality with ease, while he died trying?
Yes, he'd probably beat him up pretty good, but I don't think he'd go Super Saiyan unless he thought about it more and maybe was mocked by Garlic Jr. about it.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:21 pm

What if Gohan met Videl a day after the Cell Games?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:40 pm

What if Vegeta and Nappa picked up Tarble or Onio on their way to Earth?

Also, do the two know Turles survived? One would think they knew of his organisation.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:58 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:What if Gohan met Videl a day after the Cell Games?
Absolutely nothing, though she may vaguely recognize him when they go to the same high school 7 years later.

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