"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Pannaliciour]

Question, in episode 58 Zuna said to Zamasu:

"Zuno gets to the point, nervously informing Zamasu about the need to state one’s wish in the language of the gods, though Zamasu is a bit annoyed to learn that he needs to make a cheesy pun to summon the dragon (saying chonmage/topknot instead of choudai/please)"

Which one did zamasu say when he made that body switch wish in episode 61?

[Sandubadear]

Question, in episode 58 Zuna said to Zamasu:

"Zuno gets to the point, nervously informing Zamasu about the need to state one’s wish in the language of the gods, though Zamasu is a bit annoyed to learn that he needs to make a cheesy pun to summon the dragon (saying chonmage/topknot instead of choudai/please)"

Which one did zamasu say when he made that body switch wish in episode 61?

He says chonmage, like Whis.

[Anime Kitten]

Zeno (sometimes written as Zen'ou, which I use; it means the exact same thing) is his Japanese title/name. Omni-King is a fanmade translation that, while accurate, isn't official. King of All (sometimes King of All Universes) is another fanmade translation. They're both fine to use until we get an official English name, if you ask me, but I'll continue calling him Zen'ou (or Zeno) for now.

Yep. I use Zen'ō on mobile and Zen'ou on my computer. Otherwise, I use Omni-King, because King of All is kind of an odd thing to call him. It actually annoys me that people use Zeno, but hey, what can you do? I won't complain.

[Khin]

Why wouldn't he be farming? He has been shown farming off and on since the first episode. The arc started with Goku harvesting his crop. And Gawasu's death is most likely different because Whis, Beerus, Goku, and the Supreme Kai wasn't there to throw Zamasu off. Remember, Gawasu was snacking on Earth food when Zamasu offs him.

Also, Zamasu probably meant that they worked it out in the sense that the figured out that he planned to used the Time Ring to get to the Super Dragon Balls early. He didn't exactly go point by point saying where they were right or wrong.

Black more less confirmed that he is the same Zamasu Goku fought back in Episode 53. There was nothing shown that this was an alternative version where they met and fought.

If you go by the full time-loop theory where Future Trunks came back from Black's flashback, there's no way Goku would have the time to farm. Zamasu learned about the Super Dragon Balls after Gowasu watched Kamitube, after that Goku and co. learned about him from the future, and they killed him.

If there's a full time-loop, why was Goku farming when he would have no time for that ? Why did Zamasu became Black when he should be killed by Beerus ? Why is Zamasu's plan different compared to Black ? Kaioshin exposed his whole plan, and he didn't correct it at all unlike Black.

The most likely reason for all that change is because of Trunks traveling back in time and warning everything about Black, thus preventing a time-loop.

From the information we have so far, It seems that Black is the ''original'' Zamasu of the present timeline. If Trunks wasn't able to escape from the future, we would have a full time-loop, but him escaping and telling everyone about Black prevented that and thus, Zamasu was killed before he became Black. However as Black explained in the episode, the time ring protects him from whatever will happen in the past, which is why he still exist even though Zamasu was killed and the history of the Present Timeline was completely changed. Black is like a time alteration leftover.

Basically, In the original course of history, we have:

• Zamasu and Goku fight for unknown reasons
• Zamasu learns about the Super Dragon Balls, asks Zuno everything about said balls and Goku.
• Zamasu kills Gowasu
• Zamasu uses the SDBs to switch bodies with Goku, who was on Earth farming since there's no threat around
• Zamasu kills Chi Chi, Goten and Goku.
• Zamasu!Black goes to the future, recruits his future counterpart and starts killing humans

However, Trunks traveled back in time and that leads to everyone knowing about Black. The history of the present timeline was changed again, and Zamasu was killed before he became Black.

• Zamasu and Goku fight for unknown reason.
• Zamasu learns about the Super Dragon Balls, asks Zuno everything about said balls and Goku.
• Zamasu kills Gowasu
• Zamasu uses the SDBs to switch bodies with Goku, who was on Earth farming since there's no threat around
• Zamasu kills Chi Chi, Goten and Goku.
  　　　　↓
  • Zamasu and Goku fight due to Whis investigating about Black
  • Zamasu learns about the Super Dragon Balls.
  • Beerus destroys Zamasu before he kills Gowasu.

With the history changed, Black shouldn't exist, but his time ring protects him from being erased out of existence. Toei made it confusing by showing the exact scene of episode 53 for Black's flashback with no explanation why they fought. But the other flashback such as Goku farming and Gowasu's death made it clear that Goku and Zamasu are going to fight regardless.

In should be noted that this changed wouldn't create a split. Trunks caused a split before because he changed the history of his timeline by traveling back in time and giving Goku a hearth virus. However in this case, he only changed the history of the present timeline. It's the reason why Trunks can travel back-and-forth between his timeline and the present without causing split as long as he doesn't change the settings of the Time Machine.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I'm so confused right now is it Zeno, Omni King or King of All?

Zeno (sometimes written as Zen'ou, which I use; it means the exact same thing) is his Japanese title/name. Omni-King is a fanmade translation that, while accurate, isn't official. King of All (sometimes King of All Universes) is another fanmade translation. They're both fine to use until we get an official English name, if you ask me, but I'll continue calling him Zen'ou (or Zeno) for now.

Right thanks. I've been using KoA for a while now since DT used that & I think I'll stick with it until whatever FUNi decide to go with (which is looking to be 2019 at this point lol) Well actually no! Viz should have a translation soon!

[namekiansaiyan]

I'm so confused right now is it Zeno, Omni King or King of All?

Zeno (sometimes written as Zen'ou, which I use; it means the exact same thing) is his Japanese title/name. Omni-King is a fanmade translation that, while accurate, isn't official. King of All (sometimes King of All Universes) is another fanmade translation. They're both fine to use until we get an official English name, if you ask me, but I'll continue calling him Zen'ou (or Zeno) for now.

Right thanks. I've been using KoA for a while now since DT used that & I think I'll stick with it until whatever FUNi decide to go with (which is looking to be 2019 at this point lol) Well actually no! Viz should have a translation soon!

Viz might translate it different though. I will definitely use FUNimation's translation as I use everything they use

[alakazam^]

If you go by the full time-loop theory where Future Trunks came back from Black's flashback, there's no way Goku would have the time to farm. Zamasu learned about the Super Dragon Balls after Gowasu watched Kamitube, after that Goku and co. learned about him from the future, and they killed him.

In should be noted that this changed wouldn't create a split. Trunks caused a split before because he changed the history of his timeline by traveling back in time and giving Goku a hearth virus. However in this case, he only changed the history of the present timeline. It's the reason why Trunks can travel back-and-forth between his timeline and the present without causing split as long as he doesn't change the settings of the Time Machine.

Zamasu had to travel into the future to use the Super Dragon Balls, would Goku stay battle-ready for months on end without anything happening?

Why wouldn't a split happen if history got changed as well? His normal travels don't have to split the timeline because he's not changing stuff that was already established to happen but, in this case, Black prevents that.

[Khin]

Zamasu had to travel into the future to use the Super Dragon Balls, would Goku stay battle-ready for months on end without anything happening?

Oh yeah. I completely forgot that he'd need to travel for about a year into the future. My bad.

Why wouldn't a split happen if history got changed as well? His normal travels don't have to split the timeline because he's not changing stuff that was already established to happen but, in this case, Black prevents that.

Trunks created a split when he changed the history of his timeline by giving Goku a medicine, after that he returned, came back again to help them against the Androids but that trip didn't create a split. That's because he didn't change the settings.

Basically, when Trunks gave Goku the medicine, the history was completely changed. Let's say what was bound to happen after that is Vegeta is the only one who will go to the Room of Spirit and Time to train, however Trunks returned to help them against the Androids, and thus, history was changed yet again and they both went inside the room instead. But as far as we know, that didn't create a split. That's why I think Trunks didn't create a split when he traveled to the past again in this arc, even though he technically changed the history of that timeline.

Another example: let's say what was bound to happen had Trunks not travel back in the past in this arc is Goku and Vegeta will stay at Beerus' place, but Trunks traveled back and Goku and co. returned to Earth earlier that expected. But his travel to the past in this arc didn't cause a split didn't it ?

It's possible that a split happened. But when Gowasu checked the time rings, he wasn't surprised that a new time ring was created, which would imply Trunks' first travel to the past in this arc didn't create a split.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The timeline/paradox discussion is most appropriate if take elsewhere. We've had way too many threads trying to discuss the issue though, so to simplify matters for where to take said discussion, I've merged all the little threads into a single giant one.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I don't think he was perplexed by who he turned into so much as that he turned into someone else out of the blue.

Possible. I just keep thinking when Zamasu appeared in his body he didn't really aknowledge realizing much.

It could be that though. The Super writers can be hit or miss with clarification lol

Well I mean he can't see his own face, and I doubt Goten or Chi Chi recognizes who Zamasu was to give Goku an idea on what happend.

Okay granted that he can't see his own face. Good point. I feel like we could all go back and forth on this a while. Ill just chalk it up to seemingly slightly odd but likely due to execution by TOEI or my not being Japanese and fully understanding. Haha.

[HECTOR4]

Can someone translate this, please?

Fuji TV synopsis:

パワーアップしたトランクスは、ブラックと互角の勝負をする。自分がこの場を抑えている間に帰還するよう求めるトランクス。ベジータは苦渋の決断を迫られる…！

Link: http://www.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/dragonball_super/

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The jist of it seems to be that Trunks faces Black after powering up. Vegeta is forced to make a tough decision when Trunks asks them to take the opportunity to return to the past. So nothing really new.

[ailema88]

I thought the post it was about ep 63 jump preview I'm waiting for that..

[Anime Kitten]

Quick question, not really regarding the timelines:
On the Dragon Ball Wikia (I know, don't believe everything it says), it mentions that Goku Black killed all the Kaioushin across the 12 Universes. Was this said in an episode or was it just made up?

[Sodhi]

It was said in the manga. In the anime he just said he killed all the gods in FT timeline.

[Anime Kitten]

It was said in the manga. In the anime he just said he killed all the gods in FT timeline.

Okay, thanks. I guess that means we won't be seeing the Universe 10 God of Destruction anytime soon.

[HECTOR4]

The jist of it seems to be that Trunks faces Black after powering up. Vegeta is forced to make a tough decision when Trunks asks them to take the opportunity to return to the past. So nothing really new.

Thank you ^^

[Khin]

Fuji TV site preview summary for next episode.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So, Gowasu will go the future world as well... This means that Goku & co. will also have a Potara set available for their fight against Merged Zamasu!

[namekiansaiyan]

So, Gowasu will go the future world as well... This means that Goku & co. will also have a Potara set available for their fight against Merged Zamasu!

If that happens then this will be my least favourite arc in the franchise. Fanfiction galore.