Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

Well he didn't really get stronger unlike Goku, he'd just extended his time skip from 0.1 seconds to....was it 0.5 seconds?

[Helios518]

Well he didn't really get stronger unlike Goku, he'd just extended his time skip from 0.1 seconds to....was it 0.5 seconds?

Yes but it was implied he did get stronger otherwise he wouldn't be walking from punches from someone 10x stronger than him.

[TheMikado]

Well he didn't really get stronger unlike Goku, he'd just extended his time skip from 0.1 seconds to....was it 0.5 seconds?

Yes but it was implied he did get stronger otherwise he wouldn't be walking from punches from someone 10x stronger than him.

I think the bigger take away is that if SSBKK surpasses Champa/Beerus by a wide margin then Hit should be able to take both out fairly easily.

[Helios518]

Well he didn't really get stronger unlike Goku, he'd just extended his time skip from 0.1 seconds to....was it 0.5 seconds?

Yes but it was implied he did get stronger otherwise he wouldn't be walking from punches from someone 10x stronger than him.

I think the bigger take away is that if SSBKK surpasses Champa/Beerus by a wide margin then Hit should be able to take both out fairly easily.

Depends if you believe Beerus and Champa are even that weak and if you believe the improvements wear off. I don't put past the anime to have Beerus being possibly so strong considering we have stuff like the entire U6 team + Trunks possibly being god tier due to its incoherency.

[Bullza]

Yes but it was implied he did get stronger otherwise he wouldn't be walking from punches from someone 10x stronger than him.

He did say that he couldn't increase his strenght in the same way that Goku could. In their final exchange Hit punched Goku a bunch of times and then Goku punched him once and he went flying into that decoration.

[Helios518]

Yes but it was implied he did get stronger otherwise he wouldn't be walking from punches from someone 10x stronger than him.

He did say that he couldn't increase his strenght in the same way that Goku could. In their final exchange Hit punched Goku a bunch of times and then Goku punched him once and he went flying into that decoration.

Same way = normal powering up/transformations. Anime! Hit improved in a way that was completely different from what we've seen in most if not all the franchise.

Don't you remember what happened with the Cell Juniors? They're no more than 2 if not possibly 3x weaker and they were all blitzed and one shoted by SSJ2 Gohan as oppose to Hit still taking Goku's punches, being able to react to him, and could still hurt him even to the point of Goku thinking he was going to lose no matter what even without Hit's killing moves.

[Bullza]

Those kinda things aren't that consistent, especially with the anime. Krillin was punched in the face by Imperfect Cell and he wasn't blitzed. The humans briefly held in there with the Cell Jrs.

This is the same show where Tagoma punched Master Roshi and Krillin and their heads didn't explode.

[Helios518]

Those kinda things aren't that consistent, especially with the anime. Krillin was punched in the face by Imperfect Cell and he wasn't blitzed. The humans briefly held in there with the Cell Jrs.

This is the same show where Tagoma punched Master Roshi and Krillin and their heads didn't explode.

True but those fights clearly show that the one's with the power disadvantage can't win no matter what they do while Hit somehow being 10x weaker + not using killing moves was making even Goku saying he can't win and we know how stubborn he is. How is that? Time skipping shouldn't be able to do that because even if I had an entire minute to stop time I still wouldn't be able to dent a thick steel wall with my punches.

[Bullza]

Well Hit was going after pressure points before so that should make up that difference and the Kaioken was messing up Goku's body and he wasn't going to be able to hold it for much longer.

[Helios518]

Well Hit was going after pressure points before so that should make up that difference and the Kaioken was messing up Goku's body and he wasn't going to be able to hold it for much longer.

Pressure points don't let you dominate someone so far above you (look at Nail chopping Freeza's neck and then look at Majin Vegeta chopping Trunks' neck) and all he was doing against Goku is punching (cue that scene where Hit improves and proceeds to rapidly punch Goku in his face and a gut).

[ssbgoku]

Generally real logic should be thrown away unless in universe stated rules use it. I am reffering to Nail attaking freeza pressure points. There are some clues which omitting cause people to miss point. They are:

1. Hit was definietlt presented as unique type od opponent who's fighting style and special technique masde him so expectional and hard to beat character

2. Time skip, Special ability which give hit advantage against anyone no matter how powerfull. It is also shown to bypass ki layer attacking lethaly organs and pressure points.

3. Kaioken is double edged sword technique which why amplyfing ki and power keep draining stamina and decreasing body endurance etc.

What hit did was attack goku hurting/dealing damage interbally instead of externally. Forcing goku body to suffer and in the end fall down from kaioken.

Out of universe explanation: Toei doing whatevee is great for entertainnemt sales ans flashy

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Well Hit was going after pressure points before so that should make up that difference and the Kaioken was messing up Goku's body and he wasn't going to be able to hold it for much longer.

Pressure points don't let you dominate someone so far above you (look at Nail chopping Freeza's neck and then look at Majin Vegeta chopping Trunks' neck) and all he was doing against Goku is punching (cue that scene where Hit improves and proceeds to rapidly punch Goku in his face and a gut).

Freeza wasn't taken off guard though. Hit takes his opponents off guard with his "speed".

[Helios518]

Well Hit was going after pressure points before so that should make up that difference and the Kaioken was messing up Goku's body and he wasn't going to be able to hold it for much longer.

Pressure points don't let you dominate someone so far above you (look at Nail chopping Freeza's neck and then look at Majin Vegeta chopping Trunks' neck) and all he was doing against Goku is punching (cue that scene where Hit improves and proceeds to rapidly punch Goku in his face and a gut).

Freeza wasn't taken off guard though. Hit takes his opponents off guard with his "speed".

That explains Vegeta but doesn't help Goku. Goku had no reason to be off guard and he was in full-power (like Freeza) the entire time considering he know hows the time-skip works unlike Vegeta.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That explains Vegeta but doesn't help Goku. Goku had no reason to be off guard and he was in full-power (like Freeza) the entire time considering he know hows the time-skip works unlike Vegeta.

Goku knew how it work, but the reason he took the hits was because he wasn't able to predict them & didn't have enough time to react like he did before Hit's improvements. As a result, he was taken off guard.

[Helios518]

That explains Vegeta but doesn't help Goku. Goku had no reason to be off guard and he was in full-power (like Freeza) the entire time considering he know hows the time-skip works unlike Vegeta.

Goku knew how it work, but the reason he took the hits was because he wasn't able to predict them & didn't have enough time to react like he did before Hit's improvements. As a result, he was taken off guard.

But why would that bypass his entire durability? We've seen many times in DB where someone is taken off guard but still takes the attack due their durability.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

That explains Vegeta but doesn't help Goku. Goku had no reason to be off guard and he was in full-power (like Freeza) the entire time considering he know hows the time-skip works unlike Vegeta.

Goku knew how it work, but the reason he took the hits was because he wasn't able to predict them & didn't have enough time to react like he did before Hit's improvements. As a result, he was taken off guard.

But why would that bypass his entire durability? We've seen many times in DB where someone is taken off guard but still takes the attack due their durability.

Remember when Piccolo took 50% Final Form Freeza off guard? Or when SS Trunks took Fat Boo of guard? They didn't do any damage, but they sent them flying away, which isn't normally possible. Hit, instead of randomly hitting his more powerful opponents to send them flying, hits them at their pressure points.

[Helios518]

Goku knew how it work, but the reason he took the hits was because he wasn't able to predict them & didn't have enough time to react like he did before Hit's improvements. As a result, he was taken off guard.

But why would that bypass his entire durability? We've seen many times in DB where someone is taken off guard but still takes the attack due their durability.

Remember when Piccolo took 50% Final Form Freeza off guard? Or when SS Trunks took Fat Boo of guard? They didn't do any damage, but they sent them flying away, which isn't normally possible. Hit, instead of randomly hitting his more powerful opponents to send them flying, hits them at their pressure points.

Makes more sense but even then if he hits their pressure points to damage them how can you explain Goku going all-out against Hit and still believing he will lose? Hit literally showed all the signs on being SSJBKKx10's level: he can take and give equal's amount of damage to Goku and react to him.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Makes more sense but even then if he hits their pressure points to damage them how can you explain Goku going all-out against Hit and still believing he will lose? Hit literally showed all the signs on being SSJBKKx10's level: he can take and give equal's amount of damage to Goku and react to him.

Goku believed he would lose because his time using KKx10 SSB is limited, and he didn't have enough time to defeat Hit who had improved his Tokitobashi even further.

[Helios518]

Makes more sense but even then if he hits their pressure points to damage them how can you explain Goku going all-out against Hit and still believing he will lose? Hit literally showed all the signs on being SSJBKKx10's level: he can take and give equal's amount of damage to Goku and react to him.

Goku believed he would lose because his time using KKx10 SSB is limited, and he didn't have enough time to defeat Hit who had improved his Tokitobashi even further.

Even if it was limited Goku should be able to end Hit in one attack or at least do a great chunk of without Hit even blinking which is definitely not the case at all.

[ZombieVito]

Makes more sense but even then if he hits their pressure points to damage them how can you explain Goku going all-out against Hit and still believing he will lose? Hit literally showed all the signs on being SSJBKKx10's level: he can take and give equal's amount of damage to Goku and react to him.

Goku believed he would lose because his time using KKx10 SSB is limited, and he didn't have enough time to defeat Hit who had improved his Tokitobashi even further.

Even if it was limited Goku should be able to end Hit in one attack or at least do a great chunk of without Hit even blinking which is definitely not the case at all.

Goku did a lot more damage to Hit with one punch than Hit did with dozens of them.

He doesn't get stronger.