Shueisha's 'Dragon Ball' Room, New Department Focused on Dragon Ball

[sintzu]

Something becoming a mega hit is harder and harder because we live in a world of niche tastes.

I really agree with this and another thing is people don't give anything new a chance, if DB started today with the pilaf arc I doubt it would've been able to reach the RRA arc let alone Buu because chances are people would've dropped it by then.

I also agree that writers shouldn't try to be the next big hit but instead just tell their story and see where it goes but companies unfortunately won't let them and instead try to make them do what they think will sell.

Attack On Titan's author said he first went to Shonen Jump with his idea but they said they'd only take it if the main character was another Goku clone so in doing that they missed out on a big hit that another company got because they gave him the freedom to tell his story.

Togashi said the reason he stopped writing Yu Yu Hakusho is because the higher up at jump said he couldn't do anything different from what he was doing and had to focus on tournaments so what could've been a hit alongside what we have now was put to an end just because it wasn't what they thought people wanted.

[Cetra]

I still don't want Gokû replaced at all though. ^^;

I do. He had 500 manga chapters and like 500 anime episodes (I'm probably wrong, but you get the point). I think I've had just about enough of the lovable guy.

He is the show. It's the same reason why Pikachu and Ash haven't been replaced yet. You can't replace Pikachu and thus you can't replace Ash. Goku will always be around no matter what.

You can show Goku from different angles though. Just like Ash. Ash had a very serious part in XYZ. For Alola he is getting a more comical focus.

[Chuquita]

Gokû's my favorite DB character. I'm not interested in DB's world without him.

I still don't want Gokû replaced at all though. ^^;

I do. He had 500 manga chapters and like 500 anime episodes (I'm probably wrong, but you get the point). I think I've had just about enough of the lovable guy.

And that's fine. I agree to disagree. He's my favorite and a big reason I'm even watching Super at all.

I'll be sad if he gets replaced, yes, but I'll find other shows to watch. My quitting Dragon Ball time is pretty much tied to "Is Gokû still a main character in Super?". When he stops being a main character, I'll finally quit and that's ok because I've followed Dragon Ball for such a long time. I almost quit back in 2012 and then BOG got announced. The movies and then Super are the only reasons I'm still here. I don't follow the games much, or the spin offs at all.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I do. He had 500 manga chapters and like 500 anime episodes (I'm probably wrong, but you get the point). I think I've had just about enough of the lovable guy.

He is the show. It's the same reason why Pikachu and Ash haven't been replaced yet. You can't replace Pikachu and thus you can't replace Ash. Goku will always be around no matter what.

You can show Goku from different angles though. Just like Ash. Ash had a very serious part in XYZ. For Alola he is getting a more comical focus.

Oh for sure we've had serious Goku for pretty much the Z portion of the franchise and we're getting a more goofy laid back Goku. Next in line we could be getting teacher Goku.

[Bansho64]

I don't care if Goku stays the main character. Just don't have him acting like a jerk and we're fine. If they made him more like Saiyan-Namek arc Gokuu, then we're talking.

For me, that's literally his peak in terms of characterization and where I like him the most.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

I still don't want Gokû replaced at all though. ^^;

I do. He had 500 manga chapters and like 500 anime episodes (I'm probably wrong, but you get the point). I think I've had just about enough of the lovable guy.

Nah, Son Gokuu is too iconic to be replaced imo. What I do want is the writers going in different directions with his character rather than focusing only on his lust for battle and obsession for food. A story centered around Gokuu and Chi Chi's relationship would be fantastic. I would personally love it.

- Travis

[Gyt Kaliba]

I still don't want Gokû replaced at all though. ^^;

I do. He had 500 manga chapters and like 500 anime episodes (I'm probably wrong, but you get the point). I think I've had just about enough of the lovable guy.

He is the show. It's the same reason why Pikachu and Ash haven't been replaced yet. You can't replace Pikachu and thus you can't replace Ash. Goku will always be around no matter what.

While I get what you're saying, I'm not sure I'd call that the best comparison, since pretty much all the most interesting things done with Pokemon as of late have been the stuff done without Ash - IE the newest games (which have always kept on improving without using the same lead for the entire series), Pokemon Origins, and now the Pokemon Generations shorts.

Dragon Ball as a whole is definitely tied a lot more closely to it's lead of Goku than Pokemon is to Ash IMO though. I'd be willing to give another character a shot at being the lead, especially in side-story material, but as far as ongoing serial stuff meant to be the next 'arc' of the show, it is kind of hard to imagine how they'd get that to work. I'd be interested to see it tried, but not sure it'd pay off is all.

[ABED]

Something becoming a mega hit is harder and harder because we live in a world of niche tastes.

I really agree with this and another thing is people don't give anything new a chance, if DB started today with the pilaf arc I doubt it would've been able to reach the RRA arc let alone Buu because chances are people would've dropped it by then.

I also agree that writers shouldn't try to be the next big hit but instead just tell their story and see where it goes but companies unfortunately won't let them and instead try to make them do what they think will sell.

Attack On Titan's author said he first went to Shonen Jump with his idea but they said they'd only take it if the main character was another Goku clone so in doing that they missed out on a big hit that another company got because they gave him the freedom to tell his story.

Togashi said the reason he stopped writing Yu Yu Hakusho is because the higher up at jump said he couldn't do anything different from what he was doing and had to focus on tournaments so what could've been a hit alongside what we have now was put to an end just because it wasn't what they thought people wanted.

Yes and no. I don't think that's true of all companies and even if something isn't a blockbuster, if it has some success and if the people in charge believe in it, projects are often given time to find their audience.

As for me, I give a story/characters maybe two episodes to hook me. Even if the stories aren't up to snuff, I need something I find interesting off the bat. I can't wait 10-13 episodes to get into it when it might not ever happen. That feels like a waste of time. I came dangerously close to doing that when I watched The Wire.

Interesting story about YYH that I've never heard. Regardless, I'm glad it did end. It was given an ending at the right time.

[Cetra]

A story centered around Gokuu and Chi Chi's relationship would be fantastic. I would personally love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxMHIYKSOos

[ABED]

I'm not that interested in the relationship between Chichi and Goku. It's barely a relationship. I'd be more interested in seeing a story that doesn't feel very Toriyama like but would show growth in Goku. Goku doesn't have to become an American superhero out to save people, but I'd like to see him stop putting the Earth and his loved ones in direct danger just for a fight. It can be an indirect result of his actions, but no more letting Cyborgs being completed even though you have ample warning.

[Bansho64]

Goku doesn't have to become an American superhero out to save people, but I'd like to see him stop putting the Earth and his loved ones in direct danger just for a fight. It can be an indirect result of his actions, but no more letting Cyborgs being completed even though you have ample warning.

Amen to that.

[Anime Kitten]

And that's fine. I agree to disagree.

I'll excuse this because we're both fans of the F outfits.

I don't care if Goku stays the main character. Just don't have him acting like a jerk and we're fine. If they made him more like Saiyan-Namek arc Gokuu, then we're talking.
For me, that's literally his peak in terms of characterization and where I like him the most.

I hope FUNimation characterizes him how they did in this portion. Faithful, yeah, but I have a lot of issues with how Goku is in the Japanese version (or at least how he's made out to be on here).

What I do want is the writers going in different directions with his character rather than focusing only on his lust for battle and obsession for food. A story centered around Gokuu and Chi Chi's relationship would be fantastic. I would personally love it.
- Travis

On the contrary to my previous point, I'd very much appreciate a Super #43-type Goku. So yes, I'd be up for this.

[sintzu]

Interesting story about YYH that I've never heard. Regardless, I'm glad it did end. It was given an ending at the right time.

We don't really know if it was the right time cause we didn't get to see what the author was planning because some suits didn't like it.

[ABED]

Goku is of an age where it's more than appropriate to reevaluate one's choices.

We don't really know if it was the right time cause we didn't get to see what the author was planning because some suits didn't like it.

But that's not apparent in the work itself. It was an organic ending to the story, and that's all I ask for. Even if the studios don't want to continue with a story, all I ask is they let the story come to a proper conclusion. It felt like the right time because the characters had become so powerful and they mythology had gone in a particular direction that felt as though it was coming to an end both in terms of scale and for the characters.

[Bansho64]

I hope FUNimation characterizes him how they did in this portion. Faithful, yeah, but I have a lot of issues with how Goku is in the Japanese version (or at least how he's made out to be on here).

Woah, woah woah. No. I can't get with that. I don't want them to make him stupid but I also don't want them make him a cheesy, stereotypical Superman-wannabe either. He completely loses his individuality. His original personality in the Saiyan-Namek arcs is that perfect bridge for me between selfish and idiotic. He's got his flaws but he's also not a goody two shoes at the same time.

The minute Funimation starts regressing and doing speeches like the "Hope of the Universe" trash is the minute I stop watching.

[ekrolo2]

On the contrary to my previous point, I'd very much appreciate a Super #43-type Goku. So yes, I'd be up for this.

As would I but #43 kind of highlights the fact Goku can only ever care about anything else if you literally cripple his ability to fight and/or train.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It's the brand Dragon Ball that is strong which Super is a part of. Even if they end it and come up with a new series with DB logo attached on it it will eventually grow strong.

- Travis

But as we saw with Kai it might not work out so great the point is it's a risk, it would frankly rather foolish to let all that go in hopes that the next series "Dragon Ball Awesome" as an example will do just as well. Production maybe a mess but from what I understand it's improving. Literally no reason to stop Super and start a new series. Temporary hault Super sure but not entirely stop it.

This I can agree with. If Super goes on hiatus and comes back with proper planning and scheduling I'm fine with it, but sadly that doesn't look possible cause Toei might lose the time slot. The only way I see is Toriyama quits and they end it due to lack of material and to resolve the production issues.

Yeah it is risky no doubt about it, but it's a risk I want them to take. It would be interesting. Not to mention the staff working in healthy schedules would more than likely boost animation quality and the product might turn out to be a better experience than Super.

- Travis

Fujitv could get another anime that has a definitive amount of episodes like their new monster hunter show which has been announced to have 48 episodes. Infact thinking about it this thing was set up in June if that had any ramifications for Super it likely would have been known by now. Fujitv specifically created a new time slot and made this new show Super's lead in. I doubt they'd do that if Super was gonna end or halt soon.

I personally wouldn't have been opposed to Super going on a temporary hiatus and let Monster Hunter finish it's 48 episode run then start again but then I guess it's like why stop a good thing? Even if temporary like the recent BD sales just keep going up after each volume so the series is gaining strength as weeks go by so I can sorta understand why Toei/Fujitv don't want to do this.

I hope FUNimation characterizes him how they did in this portion. Faithful, yeah, but I have a lot of issues with how Goku is in the Japanese version (or at least how he's made out to be on here).

Woah, woah woah. No. I can't get with that. I don't want them to make him stupid but don't make him a cheesy, stereotypical Superman-wannabe either. He completely loses his individuality. His original personality in the Saiyan-Namek arcs is that perfect bridge for me between selfish and idiotic

No matter what one things of Goku, we want FUNi to faithfully dub the show. I absolutely cannot get behind this at all. Same reason why yes Sumitomo's music may suck but it's better then having FUNi have replacement score. We're finally at a point where we are almost 1:1 in terms of Sub to Dub this would be a MASSIVE stepbackwards.

[FoolsGil]

Well, I'm feeling optimistic. Yes, things can go horribly wrong, but I think it' all going to work out. Expanded Universe here we come.

[Bansho64]

I absolutely cannot get behind this at all.

You mean, get behind what I'm saying? Or the post I was quoting?

[perucho1990]

In these days, like I said again, people appreciate female MCs(Mikasa, Ryuuko, Revy, Lucy, Fubuki, Uraraka etc ).

I do as well but this kind of franchise has a certain status quo that they won't let go of.

For DB it's being in the 10 year time gap, Goku as the main character and unfunny gags.

Because Toriyama? He is also the main reason why the Pilaf Gang is back.

The only gag they should get rid of is the food gags when Toriko and SnS cant draw flies these days(specially Toriko).