Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[DanielSSJ]

How strong was Korin supposed to be again?

Karin was stronger than Goku after he trained Goku, but he was surpassed by the time the Piccolo Daimao arc rolls around. Officially, his power level is 190.

[Bullza]

Isn't that from the same source that gave Mr Popo a power level of over 1,000?

[DanielSSJ]

Isn't that from the same source that gave Mr Popo a power level of over 1,000?

Yep, but I and a lot of other people assume that the 1,030 number was specifically for Mr. Popo after he had trained all the Earthlings, and had consequently gotten stronger.

[Rubens]

How strong was Korin supposed to be again?

Karin was stronger than Goku before he fought Tao Pai Pai. After training, Goku barely manages to take the water jug from Karin, so I assume at that point Goku got on par with the old cat (maybe slightly weaker... But just a little bit) and both much stronger than Tao Pai Pai. I believe that at the 22nd tournament Goku had already surpassed Karin.

[Khin]

I was wondering about Frieza. Where do you guys put

• 2nd form Frieza (Namek)
• Mecha-Frieza
• 1st form Frieza (RoF)
• 4th form Frieza (RoF)
• Golden Frieza

Personally I put 2nd form Frieza as 1,060,000, a simple x2. As for RoF, I kicked his 1st and 4th forms up by a factor of 10,000 because of that one place (I don't quite remember exactly what it was from, but we have discussed it on Kanzenshuu before) where he said "My power level is 5,300,000,000" (gojuusanoku instead of gojuusanman). But what do you think?

Freeza: 530,000
-- Second Form: 800,000
-- Power-up Versus Gohan: 900,000
-- Full Power: 1,200,000

Mecha Freeza: 150,000,000

That where I put them currently. I don't have any numbers for ROF Freeza so far, but I'm thinking of putting him above SS Gotenks, whom I plan to have at around 40 Million.

[Bullza]

Isn't that from the same source that gave Mr Popo a power level of over 1,000?

Yep, but I and a lot of other people assume that the 1,030 number was specifically for Mr. Popo after he had trained all the Earthlings, and had consequently gotten stronger.

The 190 number seems at odd with another number that put 22nd Budokai Goku at 180. Korin said that Goku had already surpassed him when he went to see him after being beaten by Piccolo.

So Korin should have a sub 180 power level.

[ekrolo2]

I was wondering about Frieza. Where do you guys put

• 2nd form Frieza (Namek)
• Mecha-Frieza
• 1st form Frieza (RoF)
• 4th form Frieza (RoF)
• Golden Frieza

Personally I put 2nd form Frieza as 1,060,000, a simple x2. As for RoF, I kicked his 1st and 4th forms up by a factor of 10,000 because of that one place (I don't quite remember exactly what it was from, but we have discussed it on Kanzenshuu before) where he said "My power level is 5,300,000,000" (gojuusanoku instead of gojuusanman). But what do you think?

Freeza: 530,000
-- Second Form: 800,000
-- Power-up Versus Gohan: 900,000
-- Full Power: 1,200,000

Mecha Freeza: 150,000,000

That where I put them currently. I don't have any numbers for ROF Freeza so far, but I'm thinking of putting him above SS Gotenks, whom I plan to have at around 40 Million.

Why is Freeza so low?

[Khin]

Why is Freeza so low?

Which form ?

[ekrolo2]

Why is Freeza so low?

Which form ?

All after the first one. Freeza's second form is over a million but you give him small boosts in-between forms.

[Khin]

All after the first one. Freeza's second form is over a million but you give him small boosts in-between forms.

Freeza saying his power in his second form is over a million could easily be interpreted as his full power. After all, he powered up several times in that form. I don't believe he's already over a million initially.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What are your multipliers for SSGod and SSBlue?

Personally, I have:
SSGod: 100,000x,
Godly Base state: 1/2 of SSGod or 50,000x
SSBlue: SSGod + God Base or 150,000x.

[ZombieVito]

I was wondering about Frieza. Where do you guys put

• 2nd form Frieza (Namek)
• Mecha-Frieza
• 1st form Frieza (RoF)
• 4th form Frieza (RoF)
• Golden Frieza

Personally I put 2nd form Frieza as 1,060,000, a simple x2. As for RoF, I kicked his 1st and 4th forms up by a factor of 10,000 because of that one place (I don't quite remember exactly what it was from, but we have discussed it on Kanzenshuu before) where he said "My power level is 5,300,000,000" (gojuusanoku instead of gojuusanman). But what do you think?

Freeza: 530,000
-- Second Form: 800,000
-- Power-up Versus Gohan: 900,000
-- Full Power: 1,200,000

Mecha Freeza: 150,000,000

That where I put them currently. I don't have any numbers for ROF Freeza so far, but I'm thinking of putting him above SS Gotenks, whom I plan to have at around 40 Million.

I used to have 2nd form Freeza like that but changed it. Maybe I'll go back to this to make Future Vegeta fit better later.

Where do you have third form Freeza and Vegeta post Dende?

[DanielSSJ]

I used to have 2nd form Freeza like that but changed it. Maybe I'll go back to this to make Future Vegeta fit better later.

Where do you have third form Freeza and Vegeta post Dende?

I know you didn't ask me but I'll post these anyway. I'm including Freeza's other forms for context.
Freeza (First Form): 530,000
Second Form: 1,000,000
-- vs. Gohan: 1,200,000
-- Full Power: 1,400,000
Third Form: 2,100,000
True Form: 3,500,000
-- 50% Power: 60,000,000
-- 100% Power: 120,000,000

Vegeta: 250,000
-- Near-Death Recovery: 2,500,000

[ZombieVito]

I used to have 2nd form Freeza like that but changed it. Maybe I'll go back to this to make Future Vegeta fit better later.

Where do you have third form Freeza and Vegeta post Dende?

I know you didn't ask me but I'll post these anyway. I'm including Freeza's other forms for context.
Freeza (First Form): 530,000
Second Form: 1,000,000
-- vs. Gohan: 1,200,000
-- Full Power: 1,400,000
Third Form: 2,100,000
True Form: 3,500,000
-- 50% Power: 60,000,000
-- 100% Power: 120,000,000

Vegeta: 250,000
-- Near-Death Recovery: 2,500,000

Your opinion is valued as well.

Yeah we have similar numbers which makes Future SSJ Vegeta < SSJ Goku on Namek impossible for me to do.

[DanielSSJ]

Your opinion is valued as well.

Yeah we have similar numbers which makes Future SSJ Vegeta < SSJ Goku on Namek impossible for me to do.

Since we never actually see the battle between the future Z warriors and the Androids in the manga, I usually don't even bother with them. If I had to make a level for Future Vegeta, I'd probably just make him as strong as Goku was on Namek.

[ZombieVito]

Your opinion is valued as well.

Yeah we have similar numbers which makes Future SSJ Vegeta < SSJ Goku on Namek impossible for me to do.

Since we never actually see the battle between the future Z warriors and the Androids in the manga, I usually don't even bother with them. If I had to make a level for Future Vegeta, I'd probably just make him as strong as Goku was on Namek.

I like to consider that flashback on episode 164 canon since it's confirmed on Super Yajirobe fought the androids.

[RandomGuy96]

I was wondering about Frieza. Where do you guys put

• 2nd form Frieza (Namek)
• Mecha-Frieza
• 1st form Frieza (RoF)
• 4th form Frieza (RoF)
• Golden Frieza

Personally I put 2nd form Frieza as 1,060,000, a simple x2. As for RoF, I kicked his 1st and 4th forms up by a factor of 10,000 because of that one place (I don't quite remember exactly what it was from, but we have discussed it on Kanzenshuu before) where he said "My power level is 5,300,000,000" (gojuusanoku instead of gojuusanman). But what do you think?

First Form Freeza: 530,000
Second Form Freeza: 800,000
-Power up vs Gohan: 1,000,000
-Power up vs Piccolo: 1,200,000
Third Form Freeza: 1,800,000
Mecha Freeza: 100,000,000
-Full Power [unseen]: 150,000,000

First Form Freeza [ROF]: 5,300,000,000
Fourth Form Freeza [ROF]: 53,000,000,000

Personally I put 2nd form Frieza as 1,060,000, a simple x2. As for RoF, I kicked his 1st and 4th forms up by a factor of 10,000 because of that one place (I don't quite remember exactly what it was from, but we have discussed it on Kanzenshuu before) where he said "My power level is 5,300,000,000" (gojuusanoku instead of gojuusanman). But what do you think?

He said his power level (presumably in his 4th form, since that's the state he was in when he said it) was 53 billion in this promotional clip for the 4-D attraction.

[ZombieVito]

Random, are you ever going to do a Super BP list?

Really curious to see how it would look.

[RandomGuy96]

Random, are you ever going to do a Super BP list?

Really curious to see how it would look.

I haven't been keeping up with Super for the past couple months. If I do eventually get around to watching it, then I'll do a list... but it's probably a long ways off.

[DanielSSJ]

Random, are you ever going to do a Super BP list?

Really curious to see how it would look.

I haven't been keeping up with Super for the past couple months. If I do eventually get around to watching it, then I'll do a list... but it's probably a long ways off.

Yeah, I think I'll hold off until they wrap Super up, which may be a while if it goes on for several hundred episodes.