If the 10x Kamehameha was used instead of the normal and Super Kamehameha...

[Steven Bloodriver]

Following the end of Dragon Ball, how would it have had changed the Dragon World if Goku made it his signature move just before the start of Z?

[Captain Strawberry]

Too much time to charge.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Following the end of Dragon Ball, how would it have had changed the Dragon World if Goku made it his signature move just before the start of Z?

Probably nothing since it's most likely just a fancy name for SS4 Goku's Kamehameha.

But if it was actually 10x as powerful, Goku would still die to Raditz due to the massive speed difference, but he would easily destroy Vegeta and Nappa, this time he may actually end up killing Vegeta due to the overwhelming power of his Kamehameha

What happens next depends on whether or not Goku does the gravity training on his way to Namek, since if he's not injured he may just end up going with Gohan, Krillin and Bulma in which case he will end up much weaker on Namek since his power level will not have increased that much and will be around 12-15k at most. However, that's more than enough for the first few days on Namek as long as Frieza doesn't get involved, at this point Goku can easily defeat Cui, Vegeta (if he's still alive), Dodoria and Zarbon with a Kaioken x2, though if he allows Zarbon to transform he may need to move it up to x3. As long as they avoid Frieza, they'll easily cruise through the 6 days until the arrival of the Ginyus.

Now, at this point Goku will have probably increased his mastery of the Kaioken quite a bit, but not as much as in canon since he did not go through the intense gravity training, so let's say the maximum he can handle safely right now is x5, but he can push up to x7-8 at the cost of damaging his body, he will have also gotten his potential unlocked by Saichoro so let's say his battle power increases to about 30k by the time the Ginyus arrive. Using a Kaioken x5 he can easily dispatch them, though his body will probably get stolen by Ginyu again. Ginyu can't use Goku's body properly so he'll most likely get thrashed by Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta (assuming he's alive).

Now, Krillin and Gohan won't beat Goku up nearly as much as Vegeta did in canon, so instead of the whopping 33.33x Zenkai he got there let's say his power level only goes up to 150k. With this new power he can most likely force himself all the way up to Kaioken x10, now the battle against Frieza starts.

What happens here depends on whether or not Goku allows Frieza to transform, because he can handle the first form easily, but Goku will almost certainly allow Frieza to transform for a good fight, but he'll have to push his Kaioken up to x8 to match Frieza's 2nd form which will place quite the strain on his body, but he can beat this form too fairly easily with the help of Gohan and Krillin. The third form is out of his reach even with his 10x Kaioken, but he can still kill Frieza using the 10x Kamehameha. By this point he will most likely realize what a terrible person Frieza is and what's at stake, so he'll finish him off right here by having Krillin distract him with Taiyoken, then Goku would finish him with the 10x Kamehameha.

However, if Frieza manages to reach his final form Goku's completely screwed unless he manages to kill Frieza while he's still at a low % of power. Because the maximum power output Goku is capable of right now with his Kaioken + Kamehameha x10 is 15 million, which is far below Frieza's maximum, so if Frieza uses even 15% of his power he can take the Kamehameha without too many injuries. If Frieza does increase his power, Goku's only chance is for Frieza to kill Krillin first, causing him to go SSJ which will not only replenish Goku's stamina but increase his Kamehameha x10's maximum power output to 75 million, enough to kill even 50% Frieza, so Goku could most likely end it right here if he acts quickly since Frieza can't sense ki so he most likely won't realize what's going on in time to increase his power enough to stop Goku's 10x Kamehameha. However, if he does manage to power up Goku's screwed, since Frieza demonstrates the ability to power up to 70% of his max power quite quickly, which is enough to stop even SSJ Goku's 10x Kamehameha.

If Frieza manages to get up to 70% of his power, Goku's only hope is for Frieza to kill Gohan as well and cause Goku to go SSJ2 and bring his 10x Kamehameha's maximum power output to 150 million, considerably above Frieza's maximum and enough to finally put the tyrant down for good.

If you're interested I'll probably continue into the Cell and Buu sagas a little later.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Following the end of Dragon Ball, how would it have had changed the Dragon World if Goku made it his signature move just before the start of Z?

Probably nothing since it's most likely just a fancy name for SS4 Goku's Kamehameha.

But if it was actually 10x as powerful, Goku would still die to Raditz due to the massive speed difference, but he would easily destroy Vegeta and Nappa, this time he may actually end up killing Vegeta due to the overwhelming power of his Kamehameha

What happens next depends on whether or not Goku does the gravity training on his way to Namek, since if he's not injured he may just end up going with Gohan, Krillin and Bulma in which case he will end up much weaker on Namek since his power level will not have increased that much and will be around 12-15k at most. However, that's more than enough for the first few days on Namek as long as Frieza doesn't get involved, at this point Goku can easily defeat Cui, Vegeta (if he's still alive), Dodoria and Zarbon with a Kaioken x2, though if he allows Zarbon to transform he may need to move it up to x3. As long as they avoid Frieza, they'll easily cruise through the 6 days until the arrival of the Ginyus.

Now, at this point Goku will have probably increased his mastery of the Kaioken quite a bit, but not as much as in canon since he did not go through the intense gravity training, so let's say the maximum he can handle safely right now is x5, but he can push up to x7-8 at the cost of damaging his body, he will have also gotten his potential unlocked by Saichoro so let's say his battle power increases to about 30k by the time the Ginyus arrive. Using a Kaioken x5 he can easily dispatch them, though his body will probably get stolen by Ginyu again. Ginyu can't use Goku's body properly so he'll most likely get thrashed by Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta (assuming he's alive).

Now, Krillin and Gohan won't beat Goku up nearly as much as Vegeta did in canon, so instead of the whopping 33.33x Zenkai he got there let's say his power level only goes up to 150k. With this new power he can most likely force himself all the way up to Kaioken x10, now the battle against Frieza starts.

What happens here depends on whether or not Goku allows Frieza to transform, because he can handle the first form easily, but Goku will almost certainly allow Frieza to transform for a good fight, but he'll have to push his Kaioken up to x8 to match Frieza's 2nd form which will place quite the strain on his body, but he can beat this form too fairly easily with the help of Gohan and Krillin. The third form is out of his reach even with his 10x Kaioken, but he can still kill Frieza using the 10x Kamehameha. By this point he will most likely realize what a terrible person Frieza is and what's at stake, so he'll finish him off right here by having Krillin distract him with Taiyoken, then Goku would finish him with the 10x Kamehameha.

However, if Frieza manages to reach his final form Goku's completely screwed unless he manages to kill Frieza while he's still at a low % of power. Because the maximum power output Goku is capable of right now with his Kaioken + Kamehameha x10 is 15 million, which is far below Frieza's maximum, so if Frieza uses even 15% of his power he can take the Kamehameha without too many injuries. If Frieza does increase his power, Goku's only chance is for Frieza to kill Krillin first, causing him to go SSJ which will not only replenish Goku's stamina but increase his Kamehameha x10's maximum power output to 75 million, enough to kill even 50% Frieza, so Goku could most likely end it right here if he acts quickly since Frieza can't sense ki so he most likely won't realize what's going on in time to increase his power enough to stop Goku's 10x Kamehameha. However, if he does manage to power up Goku's screwed, since Frieza demonstrates the ability to power up to 70% of his max power quite quickly, which is enough to stop even SSJ Goku's 10x Kamehameha.

If Frieza manages to get up to 70% of his power, Goku's only hope is for Frieza to kill Gohan as well and cause Goku to go SSJ2 and bring his 10x Kamehameha's maximum power output to 150 million, considerably above Frieza's maximum and enough to finally put the tyrant down for good.

If you're interested I'll probably continue into the Cell and Buu sagas a little later.

Please do so... But I think you are downplaying how powerful both the Super Saiyan transformations of 1 and 2 are as well as the 10x Kamehameha.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Following the end of Dragon Ball, how would it have had changed the Dragon World if Goku made it his signature move just before the start of Z?

Probably nothing since it's most likely just a fancy name for SS4 Goku's Kamehameha.

But if it was actually 10x as powerful, Goku would still die to Raditz due to the massive speed difference, but he would easily destroy Vegeta and Nappa, this time he may actually end up killing Vegeta due to the overwhelming power of his Kamehameha

What happens next depends on whether or not Goku does the gravity training on his way to Namek, since if he's not injured he may just end up going with Gohan, Krillin and Bulma in which case he will end up much weaker on Namek since his power level will not have increased that much and will be around 12-15k at most. However, that's more than enough for the first few days on Namek as long as Frieza doesn't get involved, at this point Goku can easily defeat Cui, Vegeta (if he's still alive), Dodoria and Zarbon with a Kaioken x2, though if he allows Zarbon to transform he may need to move it up to x3. As long as they avoid Frieza, they'll easily cruise through the 6 days until the arrival of the Ginyus.

Now, at this point Goku will have probably increased his mastery of the Kaioken quite a bit, but not as much as in canon since he did not go through the intense gravity training, so let's say the maximum he can handle safely right now is x5, but he can push up to x7-8 at the cost of damaging his body, he will have also gotten his potential unlocked by Saichoro so let's say his battle power increases to about 30k by the time the Ginyus arrive. Using a Kaioken x5 he can easily dispatch them, though his body will probably get stolen by Ginyu again. Ginyu can't use Goku's body properly so he'll most likely get thrashed by Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta (assuming he's alive).

Now, Krillin and Gohan won't beat Goku up nearly as much as Vegeta did in canon, so instead of the whopping 33.33x Zenkai he got there let's say his power level only goes up to 150k. With this new power he can most likely force himself all the way up to Kaioken x10, now the battle against Frieza starts.

What happens here depends on whether or not Goku allows Frieza to transform, because he can handle the first form easily, but Goku will almost certainly allow Frieza to transform for a good fight, but he'll have to push his Kaioken up to x8 to match Frieza's 2nd form which will place quite the strain on his body, but he can beat this form too fairly easily with the help of Gohan and Krillin. The third form is out of his reach even with his 10x Kaioken, but he can still kill Frieza using the 10x Kamehameha. By this point he will most likely realize what a terrible person Frieza is and what's at stake, so he'll finish him off right here by having Krillin distract him with Taiyoken, then Goku would finish him with the 10x Kamehameha.

However, if Frieza manages to reach his final form Goku's completely screwed unless he manages to kill Frieza while he's still at a low % of power. Because the maximum power output Goku is capable of right now with his Kaioken + Kamehameha x10 is 15 million, which is far below Frieza's maximum, so if Frieza uses even 15% of his power he can take the Kamehameha without too many injuries. If Frieza does increase his power, Goku's only chance is for Frieza to kill Krillin first, causing him to go SSJ which will not only replenish Goku's stamina but increase his Kamehameha x10's maximum power output to 75 million, enough to kill even 50% Frieza, so Goku could most likely end it right here if he acts quickly since Frieza can't sense ki so he most likely won't realize what's going on in time to increase his power enough to stop Goku's 10x Kamehameha. However, if he does manage to power up Goku's screwed, since Frieza demonstrates the ability to power up to 70% of his max power quite quickly, which is enough to stop even SSJ Goku's 10x Kamehameha.

If Frieza manages to get up to 70% of his power, Goku's only hope is for Frieza to kill Gohan as well and cause Goku to go SSJ2 and bring his 10x Kamehameha's maximum power output to 150 million, considerably above Frieza's maximum and enough to finally put the tyrant down for good.

If you're interested I'll probably continue into the Cell and Buu sagas a little later.

Please do so... But I think you are downplaying how powerful both the Super Saiyan transformations of 1 and 2 are as well as the 10x Kamehameha.

I actually simply applied the multipliers of the forms and attacks. Goku's base vs Frieza is 150k, so his SSJ would be that x50 or 7.5 million. The 10x Kamehameha would multiply that x10 to 75 million. SSJ2 doubles the power of SSJ so the 10x Kamehameha here would be 150 million.

[Lord Frieza]

I would honestly say that he would be incapable of using an attack like that.

I would think it would take early saiyan saga Goku just as much time to pull off a 10x Kamehameha as it took Piccolo to pull of his makankōsappō.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I would honestly say that he would be incapable of using an attack like that.

I would think it would take early saiyan saga Goku just as much time to pull off a 10x Kamehameha as it took Piccolo to pull of his makankōsappō.

The Makankosappo only multiplied Piccolo's power by about 3.5x, 10x is a lot higher and to be honest would solo every enemy in the early sagas. The charge time if he could actually use it would be much longer than the Makankosappo, but I'm guessing Steven means he can charge it up and use it in a couple seconds.

[Lord Frieza]

I would honestly say that he would be incapable of using an attack like that.

I would think it would take early saiyan saga Goku just as much time to pull off a 10x Kamehameha as it took Piccolo to pull of his makankōsappō.

The Makankosappo only multiplied Piccolo's power by about 3.5x, 10x is a lot higher and to be honest would solo every enemy in the early sagas. The charge time if he could actually use it would be much longer than the Makankosappo, but I'm guessing Steven means he can charge it up and use it in a couple seconds.

Good point, hell he be dead before he'd even had a chance to charge 1/4 of the attack going by that.

[Steven Bloodriver]

I would honestly say that he would be incapable of using an attack like that.

I would think it would take early saiyan saga Goku just as much time to pull off a 10x Kamehameha as it took Piccolo to pull of his makankōsappō.

The Makankosappo only multiplied Piccolo's power by about 3.5x, 10x is a lot higher and to be honest would solo every enemy in the early sagas. The charge time if he could actually use it would be much longer than the Makankosappo, but I'm guessing Steven means he can charge it up and use it in a couple seconds.

You are correct. For I did mention if he had replaced the normal and Super Kamehameha with the 10x Kamehameha and had five years to master it.
P. S. Wait, which Steven do you mean? Are you talking about me or the one who is in my Super Dragon Ball Heroes fanfiction?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Alright here's Part 2 of what I think would occur:
They probably wished Piccolo back using the Dragon Balls, but he'd most likely be useless vs Final Form Frieza even after fusing with Nail, but he could go save Bulma and get her off the planet while Goku fights Frieza. Now, since Frieza isn't as afraid of Goku as in canon, he probably won't blow up the planet but the Namekians may still choose to head to Earth anyway for safety.

Even if the planet doesn't blow up, Goku will still have to take Ginyu's ship to Yardrat since Bulma will have left with his ship and Frieza's ship is not fit for flight.
Let's say Vegeta survived his encounter with Goku but died to Frieza, he probably gets wished back. Now he's far stronger than Goku's base due to being beaten up so much, so let's place him at 2 million. However Goku also will have powered up considerably from obtaining 2 new transformations + getting his ass kicked by Frieza, so after his Zenkai and training on Yardrat for 20 months he comes back to Earth at 4 million. At around this time Trunks shows up but since Frieza's already dead and King Cold has no idea that Goku is from Earth, there's no threat for him to take care of so he just stays hidden until he can talk to Goku and spar with him for a bit, he also gives him the heart medicine and tells him to train for 3 years.

What happens next depends on how what forms Goku has, if he beat Frieza in base they all die to the androids and Trunks never even exists, so let's talk about SSJ and SSJ2.

Goku spends the 3 years mastering his new form(s) and achieves tremendous power, so when 19 and 20 show up, he easily overloads and kills 19 with the 10x Kamehameha, 20 books it to the other androids and releases 17 and 18, who promptly kill him and release 16. Now, if Goku only has access to SSJ he dies here due to the heart virus, but if he has SSJ2 he manages to defeat all 3 androids before the succumbs to the virus, but collapses before he can finish them. At this point none of the other Z fighters are even close to Goku or the androids so they can't do anything either. Someone takes Goku home for his medicine and Piccolo decides to go fuse with Kami and investigate Cell.

Now, this is where it gets real interesting. Since Cell knows Goku's moves, he also has access to the 10x Kamehameha, though it's far inferior to the real thing, so let's say it's only a 3x Kamehameha. This is still more than enough to deal with Piccolo, so he wrecks Piccolo right there an absorbs him, becoming far more powerful, he also absorbs far more cities than in canon since he no longer has to worry about getting caught since he's already surpassed all the Z fighters except for SS2 Goku.
Ultimately, he reaches a power level as high as canon Semi Perfect Cell after clearing out several cities before he decides to head for the androids.

He now heads for the androids and this time, 16 can do nothing to stop him and gets wrecked immediately. Tenshinhan shows up and tries to Kikoho Cell, but he gets killed and absorbed, by this point Goku hasn't yet fully recovered, but he becomes enraged after sensing Tenshinhan die and ITs to Cell's location right as he's about to absorb 17! The odds are stacked against Goku since he also has to save the androids from getting absorbed while at the same time fighting Cell, so now he have sick SS2 Goku vs Super Imperfect Cell.

I'm gonna continue this later in my next post, I'll also list some power levels.

[Captain Strawberry]

IF he can pull it off against Frieza, Kaioken x20 against than it would hurt a lot more than it already did.

Against Cell, using the warp Kamehameha, Cell would probably be dead

[TheUltimateNinja]

IF he can pull it off against Frieza, Kaioken x20 against than it would hurt a lot more than it already did.

Against Cell, using the warp Kamehameha, Cell would probably be dead

You're forgetting that his base wouldn't be nearly as high against Frieza, since the reason he managed to get all the way up to 3 million in canon is due to repeated Zenkai boosts from getting his ass kicked, here he can beat most of his opponents with the x10 Kamehameha so he won't be nearly as strong.

[Captain Strawberry]

IF he can pull it off against Frieza, Kaioken x20 against than it would hurt a lot more than it already did.

Against Cell, using the warp Kamehameha, Cell would probably be dead

You're forgetting that his base wouldn't be nearly as high against Frieza, since the reason he managed to get all the way up to 3 million in canon is due to repeated Zenkai boosts from getting his ass kicked, here he can beat most of his opponents with the x10 Kamehameha so he won't be nearly as strong.

You've confuddled me

[TheUltimateNinja]

IF he can pull it off against Frieza, Kaioken x20 against than it would hurt a lot more than it already did.

Against Cell, using the warp Kamehameha, Cell would probably be dead

You're forgetting that his base wouldn't be nearly as high against Frieza, since the reason he managed to get all the way up to 3 million in canon is due to repeated Zenkai boosts from getting his ass kicked, here he can beat most of his opponents with the x10 Kamehameha so he won't be nearly as strong.

You've confuddled me

After getting thrashed by Vegeta and doing gravity training for 6 days, Goku was able to reach a level of 90k by the time he got to Namek, but since he can beat Vegeta easily here, his base on Namek would be much lower. After that, he got up to 3 million because Vegeta wrecked his body while Ginyu had it, which also won't happen in this scenario, so his base will be super low.

[Captain Strawberry]

You're forgetting that his base wouldn't be nearly as high against Frieza, since the reason he managed to get all the way up to 3 million in canon is due to repeated Zenkai boosts from getting his ass kicked, here he can beat most of his opponents with the x10 Kamehameha so he won't be nearly as strong.

You've confuddled me

After getting thrashed by Vegeta and doing gravity training for 6 days, Goku was able to reach a level of 90k by the time he got to Namek, but since he can beat Vegeta easily here, his base on Namek would be much lower. After that, he got up to 3 million because Vegeta wrecked his body while Ginyu had it, which also won't happen in this scenario, so his base will be super low.

I don't see the relevance

[TheUltimateNinja]

You've confuddled me

After getting thrashed by Vegeta and doing gravity training for 6 days, Goku was able to reach a level of 90k by the time he got to Namek, but since he can beat Vegeta easily here, his base on Namek would be much lower. After that, he got up to 3 million because Vegeta wrecked his body while Ginyu had it, which also won't happen in this scenario, so his base will be super low.

I don't see the relevance

You said the x20 Kamehameha would hurt a lot more than it already did, but it would most likely be much weaker due to Goku's base being far lower, in fact he probably can't even use the Kaioken x20 due to being too weak.

[Captain Strawberry]

After getting thrashed by Vegeta and doing gravity training for 6 days, Goku was able to reach a level of 90k by the time he got to Namek, but since he can beat Vegeta easily here, his base on Namek would be much lower. After that, he got up to 3 million because Vegeta wrecked his body while Ginyu had it, which also won't happen in this scenario, so his base will be super low.

I don't see the relevance

You said the x20 Kamehameha would hurt a lot more than it already did, but it would most likely be much weaker due to Goku's base being far lower, in fact he probably can't even use the Kaioken x20 due to being too weak.

I meant Kaioken x20. When he used Kaioken x20 against Frieza.

I meant combining Kaioken x20 with 10x Kamehameha

[TheUltimateNinja]

I don't see the relevance

You said the x20 Kamehameha would hurt a lot more than it already did, but it would most likely be much weaker due to Goku's base being far lower, in fact he probably can't even use the Kaioken x20 due to being too weak.

I meant Kaioken x20. When he used Kaioken x20 against Frieza.

I meant combining Kaioken x20 with 10x Kamehameha

I know, that's exactly what I'm referring to, he won't be strong enough to use Kaioken x20 against Frieza since he won't get his ass kicked by his previous enemies so he won't get Zenkais, his base would then be only about 150k or so rather than the 3 million it was in canon. Then the Kaioken x20 combined with the x10 Kamehameha would multiply his base by 200 and bring him up to 30 million, which is only half as strong as his canon x20 Kamehameha against Frieza.
Plus, as I said earlier he can't even use Kaioken x20 since he's much weaker in this scenario.

[Captain Strawberry]

You said the x20 Kamehameha would hurt a lot more than it already did, but it would most likely be much weaker due to Goku's base being far lower, in fact he probably can't even use the Kaioken x20 due to being too weak.

I meant Kaioken x20. When he used Kaioken x20 against Frieza.

I meant combining Kaioken x20 with 10x Kamehameha

I know, that's exactly what I'm referring to, he won't be strong enough to use Kaioken x20 against Frieza since he won't get his ass kicked by his previous enemies so he won't get Zenkais, his base would then be only about 150k or so rather than the 3 million it was in canon. Then the Kaioken x20 combined with the x10 Kamehameha would multiply his base by 200 and bring him up to 30 million, which is only half as strong as his canon x20 Kamehameha against Frieza.
Plus, as I said earlier he can't even use Kaioken x20 since he's much weaker in this scenario.

He already did use Kaioken x20 against Frieza.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I meant Kaioken x20. When he used Kaioken x20 against Frieza.

I meant combining Kaioken x20 with 10x Kamehameha

I know, that's exactly what I'm referring to, he won't be strong enough to use Kaioken x20 against Frieza since he won't get his ass kicked by his previous enemies so he won't get Zenkais, his base would then be only about 150k or so rather than the 3 million it was in canon. Then the Kaioken x20 combined with the x10 Kamehameha would multiply his base by 200 and bring him up to 30 million, which is only half as strong as his canon x20 Kamehameha against Frieza.
Plus, as I said earlier he can't even use Kaioken x20 since he's much weaker in this scenario.

He already did use Kaioken x20 against Frieza.

In canon, but not in OP's scenario. In canon his base was at 3 million, but here it would only be around 150k, so his max would be x10.