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Exactly. They know what they are doing.Dbzfan94 wrote: The fact they acknowledge it and do nothing to make her more likeable speaks volumes in my book.
It can be a good thing to not let fans influence you; but it can also be a bad thing to not be willing to listen to them. If Salagir DOES indeed have an intended payoff for all of Bra's behavior, and it leads to something truly touching...then awesome; I'm all ears.testing223 wrote:Exactly. They know what they are doing.
Bowing to fan pressure isn't the best way to write, especially if you're writing morally grey characters.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
roflmaoSaiga wrote:hey whoa I don't limiting my shitting to just those things, this man does not speak for all of us
You are missing the fact that its all opinion-based. Not listening to the fans can be bad when we happen to agree the fans and disagree with the author... and it's the opposite when we agree with the author and disagree with the fans... But since there's all kinds of opinions existing at the same time, both of those situations will happen simultaneous. So, honestly, authors should listen to themselves and do what they want to do. If they actually try to listen to the fans and their infinite opinions, all they will get is doubts.Fionordequester wrote:
It can be a good thing to not let fans influence you; but it can also be a bad thing to not be willing to listen to them. If Salagir DOES indeed have an intended payoff for all of Bra's behavior, and it leads to something truly touching...then awesome; I'm all ears.
But, I worry that this is not the case. I worry that his attitude is more "oh, you don't like Bra? Well I do, so get over it". Frank Miller's Allstar Batman comics, for example, portrayed one of the most insane, psychotic, deeply unlikable Batmen that ever stained the pages; yet Frank Miller liked him that way, and was gonna keep it up all the way to the end, inspite of all perfectly valid complaints by his readers.
Salagir is still a good writer, don't get me wrong; his passion for the series is evident in almost every fabric of the comic, he accurately captures the fights while still putting his own twist on them, he's consistent in his output schedule, and some of the interactions between the canon characters are just a blast to read. I'm just saying, I'm nervous about whether or not he has any good plans for Bra.
This is a really large chunk of the fan base that's not being thrilled with Bra though; so large, in fact, that Salagir even made his own disclaimer. You said it yourself; there are all kinds of different opinions. So if there are THAT many people complaining about her, INSPITE of how unique people are and how differently they look at things...then I would say there's something that's worth looking into.rereboy wrote:You are missing the fact that its all opinion-based. Not listening to the fans can be bad when we happen to agree the fans and disagree with the author... and it's the opposite when we agree with the author and disagree with the fans... But since there's all kinds of opinions existing at the same time, both of those situations will happen simultaneous. So, honestly, authors should listen to themselves and do what they want to do. If they actually try to listen to the fans and their infinite opinions, all they will get is doubts.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
As her only tether to humanity, I suppose they're there to remind her not to go crazy and try to blow up Earth again.Slangh wrote:Looks like Bra is losing her patience already. BTW why is everyone present at the lookout?
I get that her family could be there for that reason, but why would Tenshinhan be there. He didn't care to unite with the rest during the Buu arc but now he looks even more concerned than Gohan and Piccolo.FoolsGil wrote:As her only tether to humanity, I suppose they're there to remind her not to go crazy and try to blow up Earth again.Slangh wrote:Looks like Bra is losing her patience already. BTW why is everyone present at the lookout?
Numbers don't make any opinion any more correct.Fionordequester wrote:
This is a really large chunk of the fan base that's not being thrilled with Bra though; so large, in fact, that Salagir even made his own disclaimer. You said it yourself; there are all kinds of different opinions. So if there are THAT many people complaining about her, INSPITE of how unique people are and how differently they look at things...then I would say there's something that's worth looking into.
You only state that because you agree with other readers on Bra. In your opinion there's obviously an issue so, it's obvious that Salagir should address it and, if you were him, you would agree that there's an issue since you already have that perspective on the matter. You aren't looking at things from outside your perspective. If you did, you would already have realized that what you are saying only makes sense if we assume that there's in fact an issue, but that is purely a matter of opinion, and numbers don't make any opinion any more correct.So I believe what I would do, if I were Salagir, is say "ok, there seems to be a problem here. Now...what to do...?"
I guess he was just in the area? You're right, Tenshinhan wouldn't be there just to watch Bra and Gotenks duke it out.Slangh wrote:I get that her family could be there for that reason, but why would Tenshinhan be there. He didn't care to unite with the rest during the Buu arc but now he looks even more concerned than Gohan and Piccolo.FoolsGil wrote:As her only tether to humanity, I suppose they're there to remind her not to go crazy and try to blow up Earth again.Slangh wrote:Looks like Bra is losing her patience already. BTW why is everyone present at the lookout?
This is my mentality too. I hope he doesn't just think like "oh my waifu Bra is soo cool idc what the haters think lalala." Now i get U16 are in a way in the main characters, and like you said, if they plan to actually give her some development then I'm all for it.Fionordequester wrote:It can be a good thing to not let fans influence you; but it can also be a bad thing to not be willing to listen to them. If Salagir DOES indeed have an intended payoff for all of Bra's behavior, and it leads to something truly touching...then awesome; I'm all ears.testing223 wrote:Exactly. They know what they are doing.
Bowing to fan pressure isn't the best way to write, especially if you're writing morally grey characters.
But, I worry that this is not the case. I worry that his attitude is more "oh, you don't like Bra? Well I do, so get over it". Frank Miller's Allstar Batman comics, for example, portrayed one of the most insane, psychotic, deeply unlikable Batmen that ever stained the pages; yet Frank Miller liked him that way, and was gonna keep it up all the way to the end, inspite of all perfectly valid complaints by his readers.
Salagir is still a good writer, don't get me wrong; his passion for the series is evident in almost every fabric of the comic, he accurately captures the fights while still putting his own twist on them, he's consistent in his output schedule, and some of the interactions between the canon characters are just a blast to read. I'm just saying, I'm nervous about whether or not he has any good plans for Bra.
Tien is farther in the back so he appears "less tall" than he should be.Noah wrote:Isn't Gohan too tall in this? He's almost close to Tien!
As it was easily predicted, the lack of special chapters is causing the release schedule to slow down since there is no special chapter to stall for time. If they don't get more special chapters, soon the release schedule will decrease even further or go on hiatus for a time.The next chapter begins on Friday 28!
We decided to keep the release rate of 2 pages per week, Wednesday and Sunday.
Indeed, Salagir and Asura are overburdened, and there is no special chapter ready for after.
In a few months we hope to be in a better situation, but this is necessary for the team to breathe.
But, this week and the next will have a bonus update on Friday!
★ This Friday, a minicomic
★ And the next, the chapter cover
