Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
Alruneia wrote:"Dude" is pretty agreed upon as a neutral word these days. Not in the "That's a dude" sense, because that's very male, but saying things like "sup, dude" or "that's wrong, dude" is considered a-okay even when talking to a girl.
That's right, dude.
Also, an obvious one, when people complain about Super every week because they don't have anything else to complain about.
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Soppa Saia People wrote:TBF, stuff like Xenoverse comes off like an extremely bad fan fic (to me).
But why? How is time travel a bad fanfic? There's no connection between these things.
Not the time travel, it's the super bad ass OC, who saves the world and is the strongest under the heavens. It's,just ridiculous to me. However they did do a good job with time travel.
HybridSaiyan wrote:
GT still had more pros, including animation, art designs.
I'll give you character designs. Yamamuro's designs in Super are the ugliest designs ever in DB. But animation, nope. I can't remember anything noteworthy in terms of animation in GT.
Uchiyama Masayuki was popping up more frequently than ever and all his episodes looked like shit even worse than his Cell arc episodes. Koizumi Noboru supervised eps rivaled even Uchiyama. All in all GT was not that well animated. Super has it beat at least when it comes to animation.
HybridSaiyan wrote:
GT still had more pros, including animation, art designs.
I'll give you character designs. Yamamuro's designs in Super are the ugliest designs ever in DB. But animation, nope. I can't remember anything noteworthy in terms of animation in GT.
Uchiyama Masayuki was popping up more frequently than ever and all his episodes looked like shit even worse than his Cell arc episodes. Koizumi Noboru supervised eps rivaled even Uchiyama. All in all GT was not that well animated. Super has it beat at least when it comes to animation.
- Travis
I agree with Saikyo no Senshi on this. Super has produced some real lows in terms of animation. But at its best, Super has produced some of the best animation the franchise has ever scene. The Shida cut alone in EP57 blows out of the water anything that Dragon Ball, Z or GT ever produced.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
HybridSaiyan wrote:
GT still had more pros, including animation, art designs.
I'll give you character designs. Yamamuro's designs in Super are the ugliest designs ever in DB. But animation, nope. I can't remember anything noteworthy in terms of animation in GT.
Uchiyama Masayuki was popping up more frequently than ever and all his episodes looked like shit even worse than his Cell arc episodes. Koizumi Noboru supervised eps rivaled even Uchiyama. All in all GT was not that well animated. Super has it beat at least when it comes to animation.
- Travis
It's the most consistent, didn't have many bad days. Other than the movies, it had the greatest animation of the franchise for its day. Where it really stands out is the beautiful settings. Whoever was drawing those backgrounds hit their stride once they weren't copy-catting Toriyama.
HybridSaiyan wrote:
GT still had more pros, including animation, art designs.
I'll give you character designs. Yamamuro's designs in Super are the ugliest designs ever in DB. But animation, nope. I can't remember anything noteworthy in terms of animation in GT.
Uchiyama Masayuki was popping up more frequently than ever and all his episodes looked like shit even worse than his Cell arc episodes. Koizumi Noboru supervised eps rivaled even Uchiyama. All in all GT was not that well animated. Super has it beat at least when it comes to animation.
- Travis
I agree with Saikyo no Senshi on this. Super has produced some real lows in terms of animation. But at its best, Super has produced some of the best animation the franchise has ever scene. The Shida cut alone in EP57 blows out of the water anything that Dragon Ball, Z or GT ever produced.
I wouldn't go that far with the Shida cut, I mean it was impressive but It just wasn't long enough. If Super had that consistency throughout the series then I'd be completely satisfied.
An amazing 1 minutes fight scene still doesn't compare to everything Dragon Ball, Z or GT gave us.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
It's the most consistent, didn't have many bad days. Other than the movies, it had the greatest animation of the franchise for its day. Where it really stands out is the beautiful settings. Whoever was drawing those backgrounds hit their stride once they weren't copy-catting Toriyama.
I disagree. It wasn't consistent. Any episode by Uchiyama Masayuki(Last House) was atrocious and Last House did most of the episodes in GT.
Even Seigasha that had talented animators like Shimanuki Masahiro, Hisada Kazuya and Tate Naoki who did some nice work on Dragon Ball Z didn't have any stand out moments as far as I can remember.
Yes, some of the backgrounds were nice and well thought out, but the actual action animation was bad and that's what matters most in a cartoon which relies on heavy action.
Saikyo no Senshi wrote:
I'll give you character designs. Yamamuro's designs in Super are the ugliest designs ever in DB. But animation, nope. I can't remember anything noteworthy in terms of animation in GT.
Uchiyama Masayuki was popping up more frequently than ever and all his episodes looked like shit even worse than his Cell arc episodes. Koizumi Noboru supervised eps rivaled even Uchiyama. All in all GT was not that well animated. Super has it beat at least when it comes to animation.
- Travis
I agree with Saikyo no Senshi on this. Super has produced some real lows in terms of animation. But at its best, Super has produced some of the best animation the franchise has ever scene. The Shida cut alone in EP57 blows out of the water anything that Dragon Ball, Z or GT ever produced.
I wouldn't go that far with the Shida cut, I mean it was impressive but It just wasn't long enough. If Super had that consistency throughout the series then I'd be completely satisfied.
An amazing 1 minutes fight scene still doesn't compare to everything Dragon Ball, Z or GT gave us.
I'm struggling to think of an episode in Dragon Ball, Z or GT that had a cut of animation that was as good as the Shida cut in EP57. The only thing that comes close, in my opinion, are the episodes where Studio Cockpit was in charge.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:
I'm struggling to think of an episode in Dragon Ball, Z or GT that had a cut of animation that was as good as the Shida cut in EP57. The only thing that comes close, in my opinion, are the episodes where Studio Cockpit was in charge.
And this is where it comes down to personal taste. I personally feel that both Studio Junio and Seigasha did the best animation. Cockpit's alright but I still think Junio trumps with their amazing art. Junio had basically everything I want in Dragon Ball animation. In my opinion, it really never got better than Vegeta's brief fight with Reacoom in episode 64.
Lord Beerus wrote:
I'm struggling to think of an episode in Dragon Ball, Z or GT that had a cut of animation that was as good as the Shida cut in EP57. The only thing that comes close, in my opinion, are the episodes where Studio Cockpit was in charge.
And this is where it comes down to personal taste. I personally feel that both Studio Junio and Seigasha did the best animation. Cockpit's alright but I still think Junio trumps with their amazing art. Junio had basically everything I want in Dragon Ball animation. In my opinion, it really never got better than Vegeta's brief fight with Reacoom in episode 64.
That fight has become overrated imo. It had some pretty art and good direction but the animation was really nothing special.
When people label the Japanese voices as "generic" for no reason. If they genuinely find some generic, that's fine. But the regular "They're so boring and generic" without any explanation just seems like bagging on something just for the sake of it.
nite_jay wrote:
That fight has become overrated imo. It had some pretty art and good direction but the animation was really nothing special.
Eh, I heavily disagree. The camera angles, the art, the movement, etc. It was all spot on for me.
The complaint that Black is no longer his own character because he happens to also be a version of Zamasu, I never got this. If he was able to be a separate character all the way up to the reveal, then how does the reveal take away all of that?
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
Kanassa wrote:The complaint that Black is no longer his own character because he happens to also be a version of Zamasu, I never got this. If he was able to be a separate character all the way up to the reveal, then how does the reveal take away all of that?
It doesn't. In fact, tracking his development from a powerful, yet apprehensive and disillusioned apprentice, to a sadist purging the universe of all intelligent life. If anything, the lazier part was introducing Future Zamasu without giving him his own proper backstory.
