Gohan in episode 62...

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by LightBing » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:32 pm

Why the hostile ambient? hold3n as a relatively new user is going to think this forum is a toxic place, full of bitter people.

To answer the topic, it's doubtful that it means anything. It's probably just a way for Toei to give him some screen time, since he's such an iconic character. It's very likely Mr.Toriyama didn't even write Gohan into this arc, his appearances being a Toei addition.
But you never know, like the Mafuba, Gohan can make his return. We should never completely remove anything from ever returning.

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by Makai » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:35 pm

They better just write Gohan off, every little thing he does gives people hope.

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by namekiansaiyan » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:36 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
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ekrolo2 wrote:Gohan should stay in his shit tier place where he belongs.
I wouldn't have phrashed it like that but I agree. He hasn't in my opinion been interesting since the Saiyan arc. Actually maybe not he was fairly interesting in early Buu arc before the main arc started like the Saiyaman stuff.
Gohan was never interesting. His entire character is "Grrr! I'm angry! I'm gonna kick ass now! *proceeds to get stomped or humiliated anyway*". Honestly, I feel like whenever I talk to a Gohan fan about Gohan himself, it's like we're seeing two completely different shows. A lot of the time it boils down to him being "cool" in the Cell arc and whatever headcannon potential they can come up for his character that doesn't exist in-universe.
That is exactly the same way I see it. Gohan fans also ignore the fact he like work better.
LightBing wrote:Why the hostile ambient? hold3n as a relatively new user is going to think this forum is a toxic place, full of bitter people.
That generally happens when we talk about any specific character and what people what from them.

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by buutenks » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:50 pm

If Toriyama will ever decide to put him as important in a story, he will become more powerful, similar to Future Trunks.

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:52 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:Gohan should stay in his shit tier place where he belongs.
I wouldn't have phrashed it like that but I agree. He hasn't in my opinion been interesting since the Saiyan arc. Actually maybe not he was fairly interesting in early Buu arc before the main arc started like the Saiyaman stuff.
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IMO Gohan should be cursed to be on the battlefield whether he likes it or not, his potential can still be used in future arcs now why would that be a problem lol

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:55 pm

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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:Gohan should stay in his shit tier place where he belongs.
I wouldn't have phrashed it like that but I agree. He hasn't in my opinion been interesting since the Saiyan arc. Actually maybe not he was fairly interesting in early Buu arc before the main arc started like the Saiyaman stuff.
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IMO Gohan should be cursed to be on the battlefield whether he likes it or not, his potential can still be used in future arcs now why would that be a problem lol
More examples of him being worthless. His rage boosts or power-ups or whatever never amounted to anything. He failed to kill Cell and needed his dad to help him and failed to kill Boo. He has never been a worthwhile combatant and never will be.
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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:58 pm

ekrolo2 wrote: More examples of him being worthless. His rage boosts or power-ups or whatever never amounted to anything. He failed to kill Cell and needed his dad to help him and failed to kill Boo.
So what if he failed, and how can someone frightening Cell and kicking Buu's ass be worthless lol
He has never been a worthwhile combatant and never will be.
I'd say that solely depends on the writer lol

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:02 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
PsionicWarrior wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:

I wouldn't have phrashed it like that but I agree. He hasn't in my opinion been interesting since the Saiyan arc. Actually maybe not he was fairly interesting in early Buu arc before the main arc started like the Saiyaman stuff.
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IMO Gohan should be cursed to be on the battlefield whether he likes it or not, his potential can still be used in future arcs now why would that be a problem lol
More examples of him being worthless. His rage boosts or power-ups or whatever never amounted to anything. He failed to kill Cell and needed his dad to help him and failed to kill Boo. He has never been a worthwhile combatant and never will be.
Yeah pretty much he lost points in the Cell arc for a) not finishing it the first time leading to Goku's death. b) still needed help from his dead dad to finish the job.

Buu arc we got one of the most unearned power ups ever plus sure he beat Buu abit but even then didn't end up getting the job done!

Plus in the Saiyan arc he lead to Piccolo dying. Sheesh Gohan.

You can have all the potential in the world but it's useless if like Gohan you don't know how to utilize it.

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:07 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Yeah pretty much he lost points in the Cell arc for a) not finishing it the first time leading to Goku's death. b) still needed help from his dead dad to finish the job.
But that doesn't make a character uninteresting lol, or do you guys define it in accordance to whoever delivers the final blow in which case there would appear to be some semantic problem lol
Buu arc we got one of the most unearned power ups
Unearned? He had to sit still through all that time and WAIT lol
You can have all the potential in the world but it's useless if like Gohan you don't know how to utilize it.
Insofar Super has shown a much better understanding of Gohan than of Goku IMHO, the only problem is they keep him on the side after him realizing he needed to train again after the RoF incident lol

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by IGhostUlt » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:11 pm

Man too many gohan haters in this thread. Besides trunks, goku and vegeta, he accomplished more than any of the other z fighters. Get outta my face with that. But I do agree that they should stop showing him of screen if he isn't gonna do anything.

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by Alehandrew » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:20 pm

I've got a different idea. Perhaps seeing how he could have helped Future Trunks out but didn't will show him he needs to step up no matter what ("cursed" with his power). I don't think he'll be involved in this arc but it may put him back in play down the road.

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:23 pm

PsionicWarrior wrote:
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Yeah pretty much he lost points in the Cell arc for a) not finishing it the first time leading to Goku's death. b) still needed help from his dead dad to finish the job.
But that doesn't make a character uninteresting lol, or do you guys define it in accordance to whoever delivers the final blow in which case there would appear to be some semantic problem lol
Buu arc we got one of the most unearned power ups
Unearned? He had to sit still through all that time and WAIT lol
You can have all the potential in the world but it's useless if like Gohan you don't know how to utilize it.
Insofar Super has shown a much better understanding of Gohan than of Goku IMHO, the only problem is they keep him on the side after him realizing he needed to train again after the RoF incident lol
We literally got to journey with Goku in OG DB and see him earn his power and victories but with Gohan ever since he was introduced it's been this potential crap. Post Saiyan arc we never ever see him go through hardships that much. Yes his power up against Cell is "cool" but it's never much more then that unlike Goku vs Freeza it transcends past "cool" cuz we've known all the stuff Goku's been through to get here and then have the knowledge he isn't what he thought he was. That's interesting.

Speaking of Buu that's literally the point he just sat there and got a powerup. Compare that to Goku in the Saiyan arc. a) had to make it to Kaio on Snake Way. b) actually had to do things. c) had to then make it back on his own. In the Buu arc Gohan literally had everything done for him and so when Goku arrives vs Nappa it's a much better moment then Gohan arriving vs Buu.

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:33 pm

IGhostUlt wrote:Man too many gohan haters in this thread. Besides trunks, goku and vegeta, he accomplished more than any of the other z fighters. Get outta my face with that. But I do agree that they should stop showing him of screen if he isn't gonna do anything.
It's not really hating on Gohan, but more hating on the direction of the character. In all honesty, he hasn't show any natural development in his character since the Saiyan arc. He feels more like a satellite character than an actual integral core member of the cast as the story progresses. It's like if they don't have anything major planned for him but realise that Goku and Vegeta can't be the picture they'll reveal he has more potential, unlock it, and then thrust him into the moment.

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:40 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:[
We literally got to journey with Goku in OG DB and see him earn his power and victories but with Gohan ever since he was introduced it's been this potential crap. Post Saiyan arc we never ever see him go through hardships that much. Yes his power up against Cell is "cool" but it's never much more then that unlike Goku vs Freeza it transcends past "cool" cuz we've known all the stuff Goku's been through to get here and then have the knowledge he isn't what he thought he was. That's interesting.
Well Goku is the main character of course he has a richer background, but that "potential crap" as you say is exactly what I like and appeals to me in the character, and letting it go to waste is a bit of a shame, I can understand to put Kuririn on the side, but Gohan has a legacy whether you like it or not lol
Speaking of Buu that's literally the point he just sat there and got a powerup.
Actually not quite as he had to keep focused, this one was more of a mind challenge if you will, but even so it was unbearable for him to just and wait while everyone else was fighting, actually I find it to be a much more interesting power up with the whole Kaio thing and legend than rage boost or physical training but maybe we haven't got enough of these lol
Compare that to Goku in the Saiyan arc. a) had to make it to Kaio on Snake Way. b) actually had to do things. c) had to then make it back on his own.
Aren't a),b) and c) the same point? lol
I loved Goku's journey through the snake way and his training at Kaio, but only Goku as main char benefited such development, it's not only Gohan who didn't have to do all that but pretty much everyone else lol
In the Buu arc Gohan literally had everything done for him and so when Goku arrives vs Nappa it's a much better moment then Gohan arriving vs Buu.
Goku vs Nappa is one of the best moments of the whole Z for me, but Gohan vs Buu was quite awesome as well.

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by HeroR » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:43 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
IGhostUlt wrote:Man too many gohan haters in this thread. Besides trunks, goku and vegeta, he accomplished more than any of the other z fighters. Get outta my face with that. But I do agree that they should stop showing him of screen if he isn't gonna do anything.
It's not really hating on Gohan, but more hating on the direction of the character. In all honesty, he hasn't show any natural development in his character since the Saiyan arc. He feels more like a satellite character than an actual integral core member of the cast as the story progresses. It's like if they don't have anything major planned for him but realise that Goku and Vegeta can't be the picture they'll reveal he has more potential, unlock it, and then thrust him into the moment.
I disagree. I think Gohan has the most clear cut character development second only to Vegeta. Gohan has always been reluctance to fight and hurt others, but he does it anyway to protect others. But his heart was never into fighting. It actually makes Gohan the most human of the bunch.

@PsionicWarrior, you're overselling Gohan's Ultimate power up. Gohan sat on his butt and got his power unleashed. There was no mental challenged about it. Although, I wouldn't call it the most BS power up in Dragon Ball. That honor belongs to Piccolo who got power up twice by fusion with other Namekians, with the Nail fusion being the worst since at least him remerging with Piccolo was foreshadowed since the middle of the Namek Saga.
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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:56 pm

HeroR wrote: @PsionicWarrior, you're overselling Gohan's Ultimate power up. Gohan sat on his butt and got his power unleashed.
Couldn't find sub but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngWWn6DJvKI#t=4m33 lol

Of course I'm overselling it a bit some people are very degrading on the char here lol, even so that's not just sit and do nothing, after the 5h "ceremony" :mrgreen: he had to sit during 24h and stay still, you find that easy, sit still without moving for only one hour in front of some old weirdo while the Earth is at stake and we talk again lol
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Post by Freeza9000 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:56 pm

Don't expect Gohan to play a role in this arc. He's no longer that so called fighter and he's now a happy man leading his own lie.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:52 pm

Gohan is pissed off cause Trunks thinks he's so useless, he didn't even bother telling him about Black.
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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by Avok » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:53 pm

If I had hope for the writes then yes, it would be the natural progression to use this a trigger to reshape his character.
But seeing how things have played out in the series so far I don't have any hopes for it to happen anytime soon.

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Re: Gohan in episode 62...

Post by HeroR » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:20 pm

PsionicWarrior wrote:
HeroR wrote: @PsionicWarrior, you're overselling Gohan's Ultimate power up. Gohan sat on his butt and got his power unleashed.
Couldn't find sub but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngWWn6DJvKI#t=4m33 lol

Of course I'm overselling it a bit some people are very degrading on the char here lol, even so that's not just sit and do nothing, after the 5h "ceremony" :mrgreen: he had to sit during 24h and stay still, you find that easy, sit still without moving for only one hour in front of some old weirdo while the Earth is at stake and we talk again lol
Gohan still did nothing. Even Goku getting his power awakening by dranking the Ultra Divine Water left him screaming in anguish for several hours. Gohan...his legs probably fell asleep.
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