Things that grind your gears

[Trunksuu]

- Why Mai is there in Super as Trunks' girlfriend. I'm not saying this because I'm an annoying fangirl or anything, and I actually like Mai a lot, but one, they really don't connect as lovers, and two, the whole "Trunks needs a love interest, so let's just bring back a female character in the most bullshit way possible, by making her younger and in the future timeline" is really, really dumb and has a lot of plot holes. Personally, I think she would fit Yamcha more, they have more of a connection as older Dragon Ball characters.

- How Super throws away all the other characters, other than Goku and Vegeta. (Trunks also, but he's a slight exception, because of the Black Goku arc.) Even Gohan is a shit character, and he was once a really important character. (And he's one of my favorites.)

(Super in general. I tried to enjoy it, I really did.)

[Anime Kitten]

I know image-only posts aren't allowed, but just this.

[ABED]

Personally, I think she would fit Yamcha more, they have more of a connection as older Dragon Ball characters.

That's not a connection. They never even interacted in DB to my recollection.

[Sailor Haumea]

Personally, I think she would fit Yamcha more, they have more of a connection as older Dragon Ball characters.

That's not a connection. They never even interacted in DB to my recollection.

Pretty sure they met in episode 12. Remember their escape attempt? Mai held Bulma at gunpoint.

[Kanassa]

" so let's just bring back a female character in the most bullshit way possible, by making her younger and in the future timeline" )

Not seeing the bullshit there, the pilaf gang wished for youth before Piccolo died, where's the bullshit?

[ABED]

Personally, I think she would fit Yamcha more, they have more of a connection as older Dragon Ball characters.

That's not a connection. They never even interacted in DB to my recollection.

Pretty sure they met in episode 12. Remember their escape attempt? Mai held Bulma at gunpoint.

For all of a few seconds? That's their big connection?

[huzaifa_ahmed]

Really nothing nowadays. ****ing on Viz for Vegerot or someone questionable decisions (WHAT SAY YOU ?) and then turning around and say how great the original Funi dub was, is really the only thing.

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I dont see people who read the comics as the sort who largely only saw the FUNi dub.

I have an issue with people who grew up (or maybe didnt) with the FUNi dub (or other dubs, frankly), then maybe saw the subs & more-or-less quit enjoying the dub simply because it was far more convenient to just watch the Japanese version, & often pirated. & then started bashing the very work that got them into it. Yes, the DB dubs werent great representations of the story (& of course, they couldve been better). Yes, none of the dubs would be made if the Japanese version didnt exist.

But I dont think that the vast majority of fans who enjoy the show today would even be here if the show came on in 1999 with either subs or even just an accurate dub with an intact OST.

The show was made by & entirely for Japanese people...& that isnt a problem, but the fact that anime has a pretty damn big niche in the West, yet it almost never airs on TV & is only restricted to DVD's & internet streaming...could use a serious improvement. The people who work on dubs, especially a massive flippin' show like Dragon Ball, deserve far, far better treatment. Yes, DB is Japanese...but are the Sonic the Hedgehog Hollywood cartoons worse than the SonicX anime? I think most folks would disagree.

Dragon Ball, specifically, was good enough of a show that Toei themselves should have done a proper English version early on, & especially today with Super. WB, Disney. & Sony dub their works with lavish amounts of cash, & in fact many of Dragon Ball's cast members work on these dubs. They are televised in primetime IIRC & WB makes good money off them. Surely Dragon Ball deserves a similar treatment, considering that it is hugely popular in the West, & Toei benefits from a pretty big share of that.

[Nejishiki]

But I dont think that the vast majority of fans who enjoy the show today would even be here if the show came on in 1999 with either subs or even just an accurate dub with an intact OST.

I can't agree with that notion. Various dubs across the globe found success remaining faithful to the original edition of Dragon Ball. Just because, say Portugal, found success going against the grain doesn't mean that it wouldn't find success otherwise. As for your ultimate point, I may be reading you incorrectly, but it sounds like you're stating foreign dubs deserve respect because they introduce us to a product. They should still be judged by their own merit, I believe. Of course, unwarranted vitriol towards the teams that produce dubs are inappropriate. That doesn't exactly mean proper words of criticism are disallowed. If it happened to be a poor product, no amount of hard work performed could excuse that. Nothing is perfect in this world, I'm afraid. That means that you'll eventually run into something lackluster despite the effort poured into it.

[Bansho64]

But I dont think that the vast majority of fans who enjoy the show today would even be here if the show came on in 1999 with either subs or even just an accurate dub with an intact OST.

I can't agree with that notion.

Me neither. I might be able to believe it if Dragon Ball didn't do as well as it did in certain countries with accurate dubs. And I know it gets repetitive when people use this example, but look at Latin Americans. They've literally got one of the most accurate dubs out there and the franchise is 400x bigger over there than it is here.

[nite_jay]

All fanboys; but especially Z anime fanboys.

[8000 Saiyan]

When people say Funimation's Dragon Ball Z dub is a masterpiece.

[Sailor Haumea]

When people say Funimation's Dragon Ball Z dub is a masterpiece.

It gets better as time goes on.

[8000 Saiyan]

It gets better as time goes on.

Meh, I disagree. I think there was little improvement. The only voices that sounded really good to me were Cell, 17, 18, 20, Mr. Satan, Adult Gohan, Dabura, Babidi and Super Buu. With Kai, Funimation really stepped up their game, although their dub isn't flawless.

[ekrolo2]

Fanboys who look at you like you're crazy for having any standards that a product has to meet that go beyond "its for the fans, it exists, therefore you should like it!".

[Cipher]

"Bebi."

This is genuinely the only name thing that gets to me, because it's always used by fans who don't go for other transliterations, and are clearly just too embarrassed to own up to one of the major villains being named "Baby."

Also, recently, this meme that transformations without full explanations or build-up in a series like Dragon Ball are p r o b l e m s.

[Avery]

Few random ones:

- How childish some fans act when Super doesn't air for a week. "ew, no ep this week bcoz of that stupid women marathon". "No ep because of Olympics? Who gives a shit about the olympics? blah blah *insert racist Brazilian joke*". I mean, sure, it can be frustrating, but they are basically whining like 7 year olds because important international events are replacing their favourite cartoon show for a week.

- "cannon".

- "Frieza". Can we have the word filter back?

-Yamamuro's character designs. Even the colour palette has grown on me but I don't think I'll ever like those jaws, noses and eyebrows.

[Dbzfan94]

Few random ones:

- How childish some fans act when Super doesn't air for a week. "ew, no ep this week bcoz of that stupid women marathon". "No ep because of Olympics? Who gives a shit about the olympics? blah blah *insert racist Brazilian joke*". I mean, sure, it can be frustrating, but they are basically whining like 7 year olds because important international events are replacing their favourite cartoon show for a week.

People do that with everything. They don't want to miss out on their favorite show for a week because something they don't care about is airing instead. It's human nature.

[Anime Kitten]

- "Frieza".

Why? It's only a spelling. I personally use Freeza, but still.

[ryou766]

People who use "Black Goku" instead of "Goku Black" -- I shouldn't have a problem with this since it's just a switch around but goddammit I do.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) People who ignore others just out of lapse.

2) Having family who treat you like a stranger.

3) Since the day I was born as an accident, waking up everyday to the shenanigans of people who act like if they were the children of Frieza and Beerus...