Dragonball Super has potential to become a legendary series as Z

[Lujin_16]

If this arc ends up really great and the next 2-3 arcs will be great as The trunks Arc i can definitely see it happen

Villains like Black Goku & Zamasu are really popular these days what if when the next villains will be as good as those two?? difficult but why not

I think villains are really important for a series in my opinion but yes we will see what's coming next..

[Bansho64]

Eh, I doubt it. And I'm not saying this because I'm not a fan of the Super anime, I'm saying this because Z was an innovator of its time and it introduced many tropes you see in modern anime. If Super can do the same thing, then maybe, just maybe, it'll have 25% percent of the same effect. I honestly don't see the potential. I'd love to see it change my opinion though.

[Lujin_16]

Eh, I doubt it. And I'm not saying this because I'm not a fan of the Super anime, I'm saying this because Z was an innovator of its time and it introduced many tropes you see in modern anime. If Super can do the same thing, then maybe, just maybe, it'll have 25% percent of the same effect. I honestly don't see the potential. I'd love to see it change my opinion though.

People have said that same thing about Frieza they will never beat him as a villain and now there are some who think that Black & Zamasu are better villains than Frieza

but i respect your opinion and i don't say it is now at the same level than Z only that it has potential

[sintzu]

There's not even a 1% chance of that happening unless EVERYTHING about it is completely changed.

[Shuby]

If it can't be close to this or exact to this , meaning the pacing , the anticipation , the weight behind a kick or punch then no.

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Not to mention Gohan , Piccolo , Tien heck even Krillin were somewhat relevant in Z. The powerscalling and character usage in Super is hot garbage.

[buutenks]

For us older DB fans, nah. But for the new generation. Could be you never know.

[zamasu121]

no because dragon ball z is overrated imo.
super has a lot of haters and no matter how good it will be a lot of people would still hate even though i think a lot hate was justified in the beginning especially in the ROF arc
i rewatched Z back in 2010 and i could not believe how much nostalgia was blinding me the pacing was terrible and the fights were mostly staring matches/talking and padding
i still think z is much better than super though however the future trunks arc is great imo

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I too have a hard time believing it's even remotely likely Super when its dubbed will be a worldwide phenomenon on the scale that Dragon Ball Z was.

Although it will be interesting to see how well it does in general, and I'm cautiously optimistic it will be a bigger success than Kai at least.

[Bansho64]

i rewatched Z back in 2010 and i could not believe how much nostalgia was blinding me the pacing was terrible and the fights were mostly staring matches/talking and padding

I feel like the part in bold are exaggerated a lot by many. In my opinion, The Saiyajin arc was pretty much perfect in terms of pacing. The rest was pretty bad though.

I too have a hard time believing it's even remotely likely Super when its dubbed will be a worldwide phenomenon on the scale that Dragon Ball Z was.

Although it will be interesting to see how well it does in general, and I'm cautiously optimistic it will be a bigger success than Kai at least.

Agreed. It's gonna have to make a big mark in the industry if it's gonna be even close to the level Z was.

[zamasu121]

i rewatched Z back in 2010 and i could not believe how much nostalgia was blinding me the pacing was terrible and the fights were mostly staring matches/talking and padding

I feel like the part in bold are exaggerated a lot by many. In my opinion, The Saiyajin arc was pretty much perfect in terms of pacing. The rest was pretty bad though.

I too have a hard time believing it's even remotely likely Super when its dubbed will be a worldwide phenomenon on the scale that Dragon Ball Z was.

Although it will be interesting to see how well it does in general, and I'm cautiously optimistic it will be a bigger success than Kai at least.

Agreed. It's gonna have to make a big mark in the industry if it's gonna be even close to the level Z was.

i agree 100% about the saiyan arc it was great and the best arc of Z by far and even the filler was good from what i remember i can't say the same about the rest series after that though.
i still dont think i'm exaggerating about the fights i mean yes they were longer and for the most part better but they were stretched like crazy from what i remember by having everyone react to every little thing and power ups that last a good couple of minutes

[FortuneSSJ]

Not as legendary as DBZ, but Super definitely has the potential to be a much greater series than it is.
Just needs the right people behind it to bring all that potential out.

If it can't be close to this or exact to this , meaning the pacing , the anticipation , the weight behind a kick or punch then no.

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Not to mention Gohan , Piccolo , Tien heck even Krillin were somewhat relevant in Z. The powerscalling and character usage in Super is hot garbage.

DBZ pacing was bad. Terrible sometimes. Super is much better in that department.

Not sure what you mean by anticipation, but Future Trunks arc had more suspense around Black's identity than any other storyline of this franchise ever had.
The closest we've been to that level of mystery before was with Cell's debut, but everything about him was revealed 4 episodes after they found the Time Machine. On other hand, the mystery about Black's character gave rise to a lot of theories and it lasted much longer. Never saw so many theories about something of this franchise.

Barely anyone cares about Krillin and Tenshinhan. Unless Freeza comes back again with more soldiers, there's no room for weaklings like them to fight. And some people would just complain about power levels anyway. They are only good for character interactions right now, which Super does that better than any other DB series.

Gohan is a lost cause. There's still hope for Piccolo with the Namekian Book of Legends plotline, but who knows if that wasn't just a random line.
Anyway people will stop caring about them, if Toriyama keeps introducing other interesting characters. Some people want Cabba back, and a lot of people want Hit.
Beerus and Whis are loved by almost everyone too.

Replace old characters by new ones is not a crime. Especially when the older ones don't have nothing more to offer.

[zamasu121]

the funny thing about the complaint of characters such as piccolo,gohan and everyone else not being important in fights is that if super does that people would go off about dbs power scaling

[omaro34]

LOL that's a good one.

Relax. Potential is one thing. Execution is another.

[Shuby]

Not as legendary as DBZ, but Super definitely has the potential to be a much greater series than it is.
Just needs the right people behind it to bring all that potential out.

If it can't be close to this or exact to this , meaning the pacing , the anticipation , the weight behind a kick or punch then no.

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Not to mention Gohan , Piccolo , Tien heck even Krillin were somewhat relevant in Z. The powerscalling and character usage in Super is hot garbage.

DBZ pacing was bad. Terrible sometimes. Super is much better in that department.

Not sure what you mean by anticipation, but Future Trunks arc had more suspense around Black's identity than any other storyline of this franchise ever had.
The closest we've been to that level of mystery before was with Cell's debut, but everything about him was revealed 4 episodes after they found the Time Machine. On other hand, the mystery about Black's character gave rise to a lot of theories and it lasted much longer. Never saw so many theories about something of this franchise.

Barely anyone cares about Krillin and Tenshinhan. Unless Freeza comes back again with more soldiers, there's no room for weaklings like them to fight. And some people would just complain about power levels anyway. They are only good for character interactions right now, which Super does that better than any other DB series.

Gohan is a lost cause. There's still hope for Piccolo with the Namekian Book of Legends plotline, but who knows if that wasn't just a random line.
Anyway people will stop caring about them, if Toriyama keeps introducing other interesting characters. Some people want Cabba back, and a lot of people want Hit.
Beerus and Whis are loved by almost everyone too.

Replace old characters by new ones is not a crime. Especially when the older ones don't have nothing more to offer.

Yes the pacing was terrible, but the fights themselves were engaging and exciting it basically made people wanting more and more and in intense as they waited for the next episode. I would argue that Kai definitely fixed much of the terrible pacing , in fact that's one of the thing people bring up again and again. The pacing of Super has been put forward again and again , if you remember in the U6 arc in one episode 2 major fights had already happened , things were going too fast. I mean the anticipation of a good fight which Z delivered most of the times. "Barely anyone cares about Krillin and Tenshinhan" , that it just your assumption read the comments or opinions of big Z commentators and those names are mentioned again and again that they should at least matter. Good interaction and slice of life eps is probably the only thing Super does exceptionally well. The thing is Gohan had more screentime and relevance durning GT then in Super. I disagree old characters can play a significant role even if they are underpowered , as i mention the dragon arc in GT. And let's not forget that Super had 2 okay-ish retelling and a tournament arc which probably most people thought was okay at best.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

The current Mirai Trunks arc has surpassed the atrocious Cell and Boo arcs from a writing perspective. So yeah, if Super continues and the plot remains consistent with some good moments it can if not eclipse the original series at least rival it in the writing department.

But in terms of popularity, nope I don't think it will ever surpass it. The original series released at a time when Japanese cartoons were rare on foreign TV which is why it became a sensation, but nowadays it has become common. Super will fade away very soon.

Also as much as I like Toyotarou's manga it will never reach the global popularity like Toriyama's original comic did. It also has to do with the fact that the Super comic is just to promote the cartoon while that wasn't the case with the original comic.

As for the animation neither was the original series consistently well animated neither is Super. Both have good stuff and bad stuff and overall both are average compared to the other cartoons. Animation was a field were DB never excelled in consistently, so it should be ignored.

TL; DR It has the potential to rival the original series as a story if everything goes well. But in terms of popularity it would take a miracle to reach the heights the original comic and cartoon did.

EDIT: Sumitomo's score will never reach the legendary status the Kikuchi score did. In the music department there is no contest the original series stomps Super. The sound effects too.

- Travis

[namekiansaiyan]

the funny thing about the complaint of characters such as piccolo,gohan and everyone else not being important in fights is that if super does that people would go off about dbs power scaling

Power scaling is messed up already so it is another reason to include other characters in the fights.

[Lord Beerus]

It... really doesn't. Dragon Ball Z was the perfect case of being a completely different show, airing the completely perfect time. It attained that once in a lifetime lighting-in-a-bottle success that no other anime that has aired on TV has yet to duplicate. That's not say the show wasn't deeply flawed. It just got kinda lucky. Dragon Ball Super will not replicate that success in this day and age. It has too many factors working against it. The major one being the internet.

[PsionicWarrior]

. Dragon Ball Super will no replicate that success in this day and age. It has too many factors working against it. The major one being the internet.

Err what? The internet does not impact any story-telling, plot, art, animation or whatever lol

[zamasu121]

. Dragon Ball Super will no replicate that success in this day and age. It has too many factors working against it. The major one being the internet.

Err what? The internet does not impact any story-telling, plot, art, animation or whatever lol

i think what he is saying is that every little detail and mistake or some badly animated episodes are blown out of proportions because of the internet

[Lord Beerus]

. Dragon Ball Super will no replicate that success in this day and age. It has too many factors working against it. The major one being the internet.

Err what? The internet does not impact any story-telling, plot, art, animation or whatever lol

i think what he is saying is that every little detail and mistake or some badly animated episodes are blown out of proportions because of the internet

That, and the rise of the internet has lead to future plot developments, when it comes to all kinds of media, being spoiled ahead of time.