Dragonball Super has potential to become a legendary series as Z

[Avok]

Not really, seeing how things have played out so far.

[Lujin_16]

Storywise & Comedywise Dragonball Z is not hard to beat the only thing what is difficult is action there was to much action and that's the reason Dragonball Z is so popular

But even there i think Super has potential look at episode's 57 & 61 has had great fighting sequences and it looks like episode 63 will have amazing fights..

[Boo Machine]

As someone who loves DragonBall Super, unless they change a lot of things they are doing with the series and get on an ideal production schedule, then I highly doubt it will ever be as good as it's predecessors.

[Lujin_16]

Not really, seeing how things have played out so far.

Because of movie retelling's right?? let's forget about that i mean Z has had a bad start to with Raditz he was beaten in 2 episodes it feels rushed and the rest episodes until 20-

21 was slice of life episodes and only training...I think if we would start at the universe 6 arc or Trunks arc people will see it differntly than counting the movie retellings

[dbs fanboy]

Idk my nostalgia glasses are too strong to actully see super being better even if i love it, for me super is neither good or bad (currently) but i can say that if this arc end up well and the next arc is good, i'll considerate super a good series, and if that continuous, a great series, but only the future can tell.

It has the potential, db's universe has been expanded so a lot of new stories could be written, some even with maybe a new cast (like an arc focusing on the Z fighters universe 6 version) and the animation is improving, becoming more consistent with each episode and surpassing Z's at their very best.

At the same time super could end too soon, or somhow the writers run out of ideas or something like that, which would make this an imposible task.

So my answer is a yes,and also a no.

Sumitomo's score will never reach the legendary status the Kikuchi score did. In the music department there is no contest the original series stomps Super.

Amen

[Avok]

Not really, seeing how things have played out so far.

Because of movie retelling's right?? let's forget about that i mean Z has had a bad start to with Raditz he was beaten in 2 episodes it feels rushed and the rest episodes until 20-

21 was slice of life episodes and only training...I think if we would start at the universe 6 arc or Trunks arc people will see it differntly than counting the movie retellings

U6 arc was appailing for the most part. And even if you only take into account the Trunks arc there are still huge issues with the series, mainly the characterization, the use of side characters, the visual aspect of the series, the continuity, etc.

[Boo Machine]

Not really, seeing how things have played out so far.

Because of movie retelling's right?? let's forget about that i mean Z has had a bad start to with Raditz he was beaten in 2 episodes it feels rushed and the rest episodes until 20-

21 was slice of life episodes and only training...I think if we would start at the universe 6 arc or Trunks arc people will see it differntly than counting the movie retellings

Started out bad? The start of Z was awesome. And those slice of life episodes and training was probably some of the better downtime episodes of Z.

Unfortunately we can't just forget the movie retelling's. They are part of the series as a whole and shouldn't just be overlooked because they were bad. (I like the BOG retellling.) If a series has a bad arc or two then it just has bad arcs. Can't really get around it. Just hope that Super keeps getting better.

[PsionicWarrior]

The thing is pretty much anything has the POTENTIAL to become legendary, however many things don't, despite the potential. It is the execution that matters, how the chars are portrayed, the quality of the animation, of the art, the plot, the atmosphere, etc, etc.

Super indeed has greatly improved, yet IMO still lacks A LOT of polish. Now, if the production alone would be better, meaning more and better fights, no botched frames (yes Z suffered some botched frames too, is that an excuse to repeat same mistake?), and if the usual complaints about chars could be fixed (don't overdo Goku for most shouting example) the show would definitely get wider positive reception. Even with all the plot holes and power levels mess, I see some people aren't bothered AT ALL by it, still they could be more careful there. Just to say the overall QUALITY of the product should be treated with more respect if it wants to surpass Z.

The thing is, we all know Z strength and flaws, in order to make a critically acclaimed sequel two things basically are needed: 1) take into consideration the legacy of the series, would avoid TONS of complaints 2) use the better technology to beat the older material without mercy, imagine if the worst fight of Super was at the level of the best of Z, people would go nutts, and even more toys would sell.

Z has had a bad start

No lol

[sangofe]

It... really doesn't. Dragon Ball Z was the perfect case of being a completely different show, airing the completely perfect time. It attained that once in a lifetime lighting-in-a-bottle success that no other anime that has aired on TV has yet to duplicate. That's not say the show wasn't deeply flawed. It just got kinda lucky. Dragon Ball Super will not replicate that success in this day and age. It has too many factors working against it. The major one being the internet.

You're so right about that one. I can't believe how people say how awesome DBZ was animted and at the same time trash DB Super...

[PsionicWarrior]

I can't believe how people say how awesome DBZ was animted and at the same time trash DB Super...

Most fights from Super are just around average and some are downright terrible, we had way more good fights than bad ones in Z while Super has the opposite lol

However, let's have a look at THIS. Everything is here, the ambiance, the tension, the animation is great, the fighting is dynamic and powerful, the images are good. In short the sequence is AWESOME. Could we have more of this and less of the other half-assed animations with poor effects and ugly faces please pretty please with sugar on top lol

[Lujin_16]

I can't believe how people say how awesome DBZ was animted and at the same time trash DB Super...

Most fights from Super are just around average and some are downright terrible, we had way more good fights than bad ones in Z while Super has the opposite lol

However, let's have a look at THIS. Everything is here, the ambiance, the tension, the animation is great, the fighting is dynamic and powerful, the images are good. Can we have more of this instead of the other half-assed animations with poor effects and ugly faces please lol

Episode 61 has had really good fight scenes to and look at episodes 63 preview it seems similar than episode 57 quality

[PsionicWarrior]

Episode 61 has had really good fight scenes to and look at episodes 63 preview it seems similar than episode 57 quality

Yes there is improvements in the series overall and I sure hope it keeps that way. However 62 was a let down in that regard, I mean 61 put a higher standard, why go down lol

[Lujin_16]

Episode 61 has had really good fight scenes to and look at episodes 63 preview it seems similar than episode 57 quality

Yes there is improvements in the series overall and I sure hope it keeps that way. However 62 was a let down in that regard, I mean 61 put a higher standard, why go down lol

i think for them it was not an important episode they want to save money for the important episodes that's what i think

[zamasu121]

It... really doesn't. Dragon Ball Z was the perfect case of being a completely different show, airing the completely perfect time. It attained that once in a lifetime lighting-in-a-bottle success that no other anime that has aired on TV has yet to duplicate. That's not say the show wasn't deeply flawed. It just got kinda lucky. Dragon Ball Super will not replicate that success in this day and age. It has too many factors working against it. The major one being the internet.

You're so right about that one. I can't believe how people say how awesome DBZ was animted and at the same time trash DB Super...

look at the video of trunks killing frieza from 1:21 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGMtXqo1N9E notice how nobody in the comments mentions anything about the bad animation and everyone act like its a masterpiece

[PsionicWarrior]

i think for them it was not an important episode they want to save money for the important episodes that's what i think

Ok could we have more "important episodes" then lol

I was expecting this episode, and given how good 61 was received, it's just yet another opportunity they let go. Because what, profit? More quality = more profit is something modern corporations have a hard time to grasp lol


@zamasu121 hey mate do you want me to link #5 of Super lol if you want to play this you will loose lol
At any rate you expose a fallacious reasoning here, "Z had mistakes too" does NOT forgive or legitimate the mistakes of Super lol

[zamasu121]

i think for them it was not an important episode they want to save money for the important episodes that's what i think

Ok could we have more "important episodes" then lol

I was expecting this episode, and given how good 61 was received, it's just yet another opportunity they let go. Because what, profit? More quality = more profit is something modern corporations have a hard time to grasp lol


@zamasu121 hey mate do you want me to link #5 of Super lol if you want to play this you will loose lol

Anyway that's just a complete fallacy way of thinking, "Z had mistakes too" does NOT forgive the mistakes of Super lol

what does episode 5 have to do with recent episodes?
all I'm saying is that barley anybody criticize dbz on bad animated fights but with super if the fight is not great in terms of animation people just love to talk shit about it

[PsionicWarrior]

what does episode 5 have to do with recent episodes?
all I'm saying is that barley anybody criticize dbz on bad animated fights but with super if the fight is not great in terms of animation people just love to talk shit about it

What does Z Trunks vs Freeza has to do with recent episodes lol

For the reason I stated just above, there is more ****ty animations in Super than in Z overall, when we have a good fight in Super it's a treat, in Z it was normal lol

I don't think people "love to talk shit", I think people just want better animation, at least same level as Z not below lol

[zamasu121]

what does episode 5 have to do with recent episodes?
all I'm saying is that barley anybody criticize dbz on bad animated fights but with super if the fight is not great in terms of animation people just love to talk shit about it

What does Z Trunks vs Freeza has to do with recent episodes lol

For the reason I stated just above, there is more ****ty animations in Super than in Z overall, when we have a good fight in Super it's a treat, in Z it was normal lol

I don't think people "love to talk shit", I think people just want better animation, at least same level as Z not below lol

the only bad animation in fights so far in this arc are zamasu vs goku in episode 53 and black vs trunks in episode 62 in every other fight the animation ranged from average to great so i dont really see the problem with one episode having bad animation when you know a more important episode like 63 would have great animation

[PsionicWarrior]

the only bad animation in fights so far in this arc are zamasu vs goku in episode 53 and black vs trunks in episode 62 in every other fight the animation ranged from average to great so i dont really see the problem with one episode having bad animation when you know a more important episode like 63 would have great animation

Ok first of all I'm a bit curious to understand why people think 62 was not an important episode, 61 set the bar high and they just dropped it lol
Second maybe you haven't noticed the thread states Super "has the potential to become a legendary as Z", not "the Black arc has the potential to become a legendary as Z" lol
Thus I'm obviously speaking about the series as a WHOLE here, and even mentioned the notable improvement of this arc, still if you look at Super in its totality you will notice the good animations are few or generally too short, it's a legit complaint lol

Now let's not loose ourselves in silly quibbles and hope for the best cheers lol

[zamasu121]

the only bad animation in fights so far in this arc are zamasu vs goku in episode 53 and black vs trunks in episode 62 in every other fight the animation ranged from average to great so i dont really see the problem with one episode having bad animation when you know a more important episode like 63 would have great animation

Ok first of all I'm a bit curious to understand why people think 62 was not an important episode, 61 set the bar high and they just dropped it lol
Second maybe you haven't noticed the thread states Super "has the potential to become a legendary as Z", not "the Black arc has the potential to become a legendary as Z" lol
Thus I'm obviously speaking about the series as a WHOLE here, and even mentioned the notable improvement of this arc, still if you look at Super in its totality you will notice the good animations are few or generally too short, it's a legit complaint lol

Now let's not loose ourselves in silly quibbles and hope for the best cheers lol

i agree with you to be honest i was not even talking about you I'm just talking about this fanbase in general.
a lot of people are hating this series from day 1 and they never gave the series a fair chance so even when it improves a lot like with this arc people still hate on it just as much they look for reasons to hate it.
the bog arc was below average and the rof arc was terrible but since than it improved with the champa arc which i think is ok but the future trunks arc is great