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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:04 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:I like all of the Buu voices. To add to that, I'm not fond of his single Japanese voice, especially (but not limited to) in Super.
I feel the same way. I very much prefer the English Buu's, and also disagree with ABED's claim of Cook being a "terrible actor."

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:01 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Anime Kitten wrote:I like all of the Buu voices. To add to that, I'm not fond of his single Japanese voice, especially (but not limited to) in Super.
I feel the same way. I very much prefer the English Buu's, and also disagree with ABED's claim of Cook being a "terrible actor."
He is. Even his Yusuke Urameshi is bad. He sounds like he's trying too hard to act.
I know you'll say his Raditz is over-the-top
If only that was the biggest knock against it. Listen to Chiba's performance and you'll hear the difference. There's subtelty in that performance whereas Cook's just says, "You can tell I'm an evil character because I sound evil!"
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Anime Kitten » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:08 pm

ABED wrote:...whereas Cook's just says, "You can tell I'm an evil character because I sound evil!"
SMH. I think you're just biased against FUNimation. I can assume you've praised them at some point, but far from often.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:26 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
ABED wrote:...whereas Cook's just says, "You can tell I'm an evil character because I sound evil!"
SMH. I think you're just biased against FUNimation. I can assume you've praised them at some point, but far from often.
That's not a fair assessment AT ALL. I've given plenty of praise when I thought it was due. I've given Schemmel plenty of praise over the years, and I think Sabat's been good as Vegeta for quite some time. If there's a bias, it's not unwarranted. I like what I like and it has nothing to do with nationality. In the case of Yu Yu Hakusho, I think Burgmeier sounds better than his Japanese counterpart. It all comes down to what I think sounds good and Cook is terrible.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:34 pm

ABED wrote:That's not a fair assessment AT ALL. I've given plenty of praise when I thought it was due. I've given Schemmel plenty of praise over the years, and I think Sabat's been good as Vegeta for quite some time. If there's a bias, it's not unwarranted. I like what I like and it has nothing to do with nationality. In the case of Yu Yu Hakusho, I think Burgmeier sounds better than his Japanese counterpart. It all comes down to what I think sounds good and Cook is terrible.
I find Burgmeier to be quite dull and uninteresting. He always seems to portray Tenshinhan as irritated rather than stoic. Suzuoki captured him perfectly.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Anime Kitten » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:40 pm

ABED wrote:That's not a fair assessment AT ALL. I've given plenty of praise when I thought it was due. I've given Schemmel plenty of praise over the years, and I think Sabat's been good as Vegeta for quite some time. If there's a bias, it's not unwarranted. I like what I like and it has nothing to do with nationality. In the case of Yu Yu Hakusho, I think Burgmeier sounds better than his Japanese counterpart. It all comes down to what I think sounds good and Cook is terrible.
But it always has to do with "they're trying too hard" or "it's not natural." In the time I've spent here, I've never once actually witnessed you praising FUNimation to my memory. Not that you never do, but as I said, it's very rare. And curiously, is there any particular reason you seem to phrase your opinion as if it's a fact? (Phrase, not necessarily treat.)
Cook is a terrible actor, but still preferable to Martin's high pitched take on fat Buu.
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I [...] also disagree with ABED's claim of Cook being a "terrible actor."
He is. Even his Yusuke Urameshi is bad. He sounds like he's trying too hard to act.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:41 pm

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TheUltimateNinja wrote:Vegetto, Gotenks, Gohan and Super Buu are massively overrated.
How so? Do you think the latter three are stronger than Goku?

With Vegetto, I think that people such as myself just like to think of him as being as stupidly overpowered as possible, because he's the very apex of DBZ. It's fitting to think of him as being pretty much invincible.
I acknowledge that they're stronger than Goku, but not to the extent that most people around here claim. In my view Ultimate Gohan is around 2x SSJ3 Goku and Buuhan is around 3.5x SSJ3 Goku, but a lot of people here like to claim Gotenks and Buu are over 10x SSJ3 Goku. I've never been a fan of absurd gaps and making characters overly powerful due to hype statements that they never back up.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:49 pm

But it always has to do with "they're trying too hard" or "it's not natural." In the time I've spent here, I've never once actually witnessed you praising FUNimation to my memory. Not that you never do, but as I said, it's very rare. And curiously, is there any particular reason you seem to phrase your opinion as if it's a fact? (Phrase, necessarily not treat.)
It's not an opinion. I know that sounds arrogant, but those aren't good performances. They don't sound natural at all. Even when it calls for something over the top, there's still a natural quality that has to be present and he doesn't have that. I can say that as a fact. I have no idea how long you've been on here, and if you haven't read anything where I've given the FUNi actors any praise, I don't know what to say, because that's far from the truth. And even so, what if I do dislike all of the FUNi actors (I don't)? What if I honestly judged them all to be bad and prefer the originals?
I find Burgmeier to be quite dull and uninteresting. He always seems to portray Tenshinhan as irritated rather than stoic. Suzuoki captured him perfectly.
I find Suzuoki bland. I couldn't pick his voice or performance out of a lineup. People seem to hate rasp. Is it the rasp that brings up "irritated" for you?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:52 pm

ABED wrote:
But it always has to do with "they're trying too hard" or "it's not natural." In the time I've spent here, I've never once actually witnessed you praising FUNimation to my memory. Not that you never do, but as I said, it's very rare. And curiously, is there any particular reason you seem to phrase your opinion as if it's a fact? (Phrase, necessarily not treat.)
It's not an opinion. I know that sounds arrogant, but those aren't good performances. They don't sound natural at all. Even when it calls for something over the top, there's still a natural quality that has to be present and he doesn't have that. I can say that as a fact. I have no idea how long you've been on here, and if you haven't read anything where I've given the FUNi actors any praise, I don't know what to say, because that's far from the truth. And even so, what if I do dislike all of the FUNi actors (I don't)? What if I honestly judged them all to be bad and prefer the originals?
I find Burgmeier to be quite dull and uninteresting. He always seems to portray Tenshinhan as irritated rather than stoic. Suzuoki captured him perfectly.
I find Suzuoki bland. I couldn't pick his voice or performance out of a lineup. People seem to hate rasp. Is it the rasp that brings up "irritated" for you?
To me, rasp works for certain characters like Wolverine but not Vegeta or Tenshinhan. Sabat's Vegeta in Z was way too raspy to the point that his range of emotions were limited. And by the way, do you think Midorikawa is much better than Suzuoki?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Anime Kitten » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:05 pm

ABED wrote:And even so, what if I do dislike all of the FUNi actors (I don't)? What if I honestly judged them all to be bad and prefer the originals?
Then I just wouldn't want to read your thoughts if that was the case. Though, knowing you, I'd assume you wouldn't share your thoughts on them if you judge them all as bad, seeing as you don't typically do something like that.

Here's another one that I'd guess is unpopular.
I dislike most of the Cha-La covers, obviously aside from Flow and Momoiro. I've yet to hear Mr. Aoki's version, so I can't say for that one.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by nite_jay » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:33 pm

nickzambuto wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:Dragon Ball Super at its best has provided better animation than Dragon Ball, Z and GT at their best.
What about at its worst?
Thats actually kind of funny. Super has some of the highest highs and lowest lows. :mrgreen:

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Sailor Haumea » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:50 pm

I dislike the Japanese version.

For one reason:

Masako Nozawa as Adult Goku is awful. As Kid Goku, she's great.

But Adult Goku's voice in the Japanese version...just...ugh. Maybe it's that I was introduced to the series through Kai's dub, but I prefer Schemmel to Nozawa.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by VDenter » Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:56 pm

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None of those things i mentioned are butterfly effects.
Regardless having Time Travel is no excuse for sloppy storytelling. Saying that other Time travel story's have potholes so DB should get a free pass is a flimsy defense. Especially since the characters in the arc do things that make no sense.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:03 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote: Maybe it's that I was introduced to the series through Kai's dub, but I prefer Schemmel to Nozawa.
Nah, I grew up with Kai and I love her voice for Adult Goku. But I respect your preferences.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Anime Kitten » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:06 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:I dislike the Japanese version.
For one reason:
Masako Nozawa as Adult Goku is awful. As Kid Goku, she's great.
But Adult Goku's voice in the Japanese version...just...ugh. Maybe it's that I was introduced to the series through Kai's dub, but I prefer Schemmel to Nozawa.
I don't completely disagree, but that's the only reason you dislike it? I would think one could find several other aspects that they like or dislike.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:07 pm

I never had a problem with Nozawa as Adult Goku.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Sailor Haumea » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:12 pm

Anime Kitten wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:I dislike the Japanese version.
For one reason:
Masako Nozawa as Adult Goku is awful. As Kid Goku, she's great.
But Adult Goku's voice in the Japanese version...just...ugh. Maybe it's that I was introduced to the series through Kai's dub, but I prefer Schemmel to Nozawa.
I don't completely disagree, but that's the only reason you dislike it? I would think one could find several other aspects that they like or dislike.
I suppose there are other reasons. Another is them using honorifics for Frieza. He's a genocidal asshole, why would you refer to him with -sama?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Bansho64 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:13 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote: I suppose there are other reasons. Another is them using honorifics for Frieza. He's a genocidal asshole, why would you refer to him with -sama?
He's their ruler?

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Dbzfan94 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:14 pm

ABED wrote:
]It's not an opinion.
It is. Just like me Cook's Super Buu is awesome is an opinion.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Sailor Haumea » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:15 pm

Bansho64 wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote: I suppose there are other reasons. Another is them using honorifics for Frieza. He's a genocidal asshole, why would you refer to him with -sama?
He's their ruler?
Why do Krillin and Gohan do it, though? Or Dende?
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