Dragonball Super has potential to become a legendary series as Z

[Nekis13]

I've been loving Super since day 1 and it's been getting better and better since the universal tournament, but even then. You just can't beat the classics, even with all the flaws Z has.

[nite_jay]

I would say if Super keep going and gaining more momentum then it could be just as good if not better than it's predecessors; but it's too late for it to become a phenomenon due to the internet, all of the other shows, and other modern day distractions.

[PsionicWarrior]

Why are you guys blaming the internet and whatnots, if Super had from the start better animations than Z, better art direction, more faithful portrayals of legacy characters and little power inconsistencies, the show would without any doubt have been incredibly better no matter the internet or other RL activities lol

I mean it was a reborn of the franchise after all those years ffs lol

The problem now is the damage is already done with the retellings, but indeed Super has slowly been redeeming itself with the Champa and Black arcs, at least for me, and there is still room for improvement and the road is long (chars and power level inconsistencies, not sure it can be saved but at least get something decent on the long term, and VERY good art and animation should be a minimum to compensate) but if the show ends up around 200 episodes or so and that the quality keeps getting better as it keeps going, there is still room for a chance of the series as a whole to become very good and more widely accepted than it currently is. I'm being optimistic right now because of the current arc, but if they go all-in with Goku back being a retard or pull again too many horrible animations in some further episodes I will curse again lol

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I would say if Super keep going and gaining more momentum then it could be just as good if not better than it's predecessors; but it's too late for it to become a phenomenon due to the internet, all of the other shows, and other modern day distractions.

In terms of quality I would say Super could be better than Z if the Black arc wraps up well and the remaining arcs are as good or better, but it won't beat original Dragon Ball (that is Toriyama's masterpiece).

[ekrolo2]

Super has already reached the "enjoyable mess" or the Boo arc phase of Z with the Black arc, what it needs to do now is get legitimately good like the Saiyan or Namek arc again like the BoG movie did.

[ChronoTwigger]

Why are you guys blaming the internet and whatnots

Internet could spread the hate, and the curve of IQ is dramatic. I think 80% of people spreading words just didn't watched the show as accurately as we could do.
"Super suck!", and in a moment an entire generation of flamers aggregate to say the same, just for.
Hate have a fertile soil on the web, while critics is tl;dr.

Despite that, any critic on the show, if RATIONAL, is welcome I think.

[zamasu121]

Why are you guys blaming the internet and whatnots

Internet could spread the hate, and the curve of IQ is dramatic. I think 80% of people spreading words just didn't watched the show as accurately as we could do.
"Super suck!", and in a moment an entire generation of flamers aggregate to say the same, just for.
Hate have a fertile soil on the web, while critics is tl;dr.

Despite that, any critic on the show, if RATIONAL, is welcome I think.

thats exactly what i'm saying,no matter how good this show gets it would still be hated i mean even if it would have one punch man tier animation and perfect story with zero plot holes people would still find a way to hate on it.

lets take this for example:a lot of people hate what super has done with gohan saying that he is irrelevant and that super sucks but if super tried to bring him back to be on the same level as goku and vegeta i bet people would say something like how the hell is gohan on the same level as god tier characters this show sucks

[Xeztin]

I'm not sure anything can become as legendary as Z, even Super itself which is apart of the Dragon Ball franchise. You had all these factors back then that Super doesn't today which was talked about and posts before me. There's also another point I'd like to say, and that's what happens when someones role is finished. What I mean by that is I feel like the journey all the way up to Boo was better than being at the point to where other than Beerus, no one in Universe 7 can oppose Goku and Vegeta. In other words, it feels like they've gotten too strong and I felt like even SSJ3 was pushing it. I think that's why everyone loves the Black arc, because this is the first arc in the whole series where Goku and Vegeta looks weak and useless, meaning there's room for improvement. It also grounds SSJB's power level a bit to me.

[PsionicWarrior]

Internet could spread the hate, and the curve of IQ is dramatic.

Alternatively Internet can also spread the love, the hate for Super at the beginning was imo 100% justified lol

I think 80% of people spreading words just didn't watched the show as accurately as we could do.
"Super suck!", and in a moment an entire generation of flamers aggregate to say the same, just for.
Hate have a fertile soil on the web, while critics is tl;dr.

80% really lol I certainly don't think so mate, even on this forum I've noticed very few to no people purely bashing for the sake of it, and when it happens I usually chuckle, is not really said in a negative way, just a bit blunt lol
I saw some dudes expressing their opinions and getting completely bashed for doing so, even I have been labelled as a hater a time or two for some rants by some people who didn't see I could also post positive comments, when there are actually positive things to say lol

As for saying some people don't even watch and bash, I would very likely say this is your speculation, all negative comments that I could read usually targeted quite specific points of the episode or any topic of Super in general lol

There is one thing you guys should understand though, is that fundamentally and at its core Super does have major differences with DB and Z, people are not annoyed out of nowhere or for the fun of it, keep in mind people who grew up with Z are in their thirties now lol

[PsionicWarrior]

lets take this for example:a lot of people hate what super has done with gohan saying that he is irrelevant and that super sucks but if super tried to bring him back to be on the same level as goku and vegeta i bet people would say something like how the hell is gohan on the same level as god tier characters this show sucks

Well there is always the option of bringing Gohan back without completely ignoring the power levels lol

I mean that's the main issue with Trunks lol no matter the rest of the show, if you actually care about power levels and their impact this is incredibly annoying lol

[zamasu121]

lets take this for example:a lot of people hate what super has done with gohan saying that he is irrelevant and that super sucks but if super tried to bring him back to be on the same level as goku and vegeta i bet people would say something like how the hell is gohan on the same level as god tier characters this show sucks

Well there is always the option of bringing Gohan back without completely ignoring the power levels lol

I mean that's the main issue with Trunks lol no matter the rest of the show, if you actually care about power levels and their impact this is incredibly annoying lol

trunks getting a transformation i could understand you calling it BS but i dont see how it effects the power scaling i mean he clearly uses god ki so i dont see a problem with the power scaling

[Patrolman Jaco]

Rehashing the previous two movies for the first two arcs and Toei's shoddy production has already coloured the general consensus of DBS in a negative light and I don't see that being overturned anytime soon, let alone it becoming a legendary series (in a good way) especially with series like One Punch Man around.

[Shuby]

One reason why Z is superior to Super is simply because of the sound of a punch and kick and overal the OST, just look at this:
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Another Reason why Z is better is just because of
this current arc is above average in Super
the retellings , u6 arc were average to okay at best.

And of course animation is way behind of that of DBS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfHBrhMM5bk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AunM2T5E2VA

[Yomi]

Well Z is very overrated and deified in the west, so it people aren't really going to call it legendary, unless they're
"running home from school" to watch toonami again, I just don't see it carrying the same respect.

Z is not great or even good from a technical standpoint, from a writing stand point, from an animation standpoint.
And for something to be legendary now-a-days. DBZ villains just wouldn't make the cut, Zamasu and Baby probably being the only passable ones.

Super needs to forget about 80's standards and step up to the 2016 plate if it ever wants to be considered legendary, or everyone just needs to become
a 9 year old again, where they just wanna see cool colors flash across the screen; before the Zamasu arc, the writing has just been Saturday morning honestly.

[Yomi]

One reason why Z is superior to Super is simply because of the sound of a punch and kick and overal the OST, just look at this:

These days, a marching band doesn't cut it anymore. All the big studios like Periott and Toei get orchestra's, and the smaller studios like MADHOUSE use a lot of that synthesized dubsteppy stuff. The method isn't there anymore, unless you just wanna recycle the ost.

[PsionicWarrior]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfHBrhMM5bk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AunM2T5E2VA

Excellent videos! I agree with every point.
Thx for sharing


@Yomi, I disagree so much with your post I can't think of an answer right now lol

[Hit!!]

i agree with you to be honest i was not even talking about you I'm just talking about this fanbase in general.
a lot of people are hating this series from day 1 and they never gave the series a fair chance so even when it improves a lot like with this arc people still hate on it just as much they look for reasons to hate it.
the bog arc was below average and the rof arc was terrible but since than it improved with the champa arc which i think is ok but the future trunks arc is great

Dude, i completely agree with you.

There is clearly a double standard when it comes to DBZ and DBS animation. It is true that DBZ overall has more consistent and better animation than Super, when you include the BOG and ROF arc (which should always be included because it's part of the series whether you like it or not), but people like to give Super way much more shit than it deserves. I've seen people shit on the animation, even when it's pretty decent. Everybody watches super with judgemental eyes, and nitpick every single detail they find, to blow it out of proportion and write in the comments, "the animation is shit" just because of a fraction of a second in between frame. Meanwhile, in that scene where Trunks kills Mecha Freeza, which had horrible art and animation, nobody says jack shit. Everybody is praising it.

So there's clearly a double standard, DBZ gets a pass on bad animation, because its DBZ, but when its Super, oh boy, people completely shit the shit out of it.

[PsionicWarrior]

Meanwhile, in that scene where Trunks kills Mecha Freeza, which had horrible art and animation, nobody says jack shit. Everybody is praising it.
So there's clearly a double standard, DBZ gets a pass on bad animation, because its DBZ, but when its Super, oh boy, people completely shit the shit out of it.

Z gets a pass where Super doesn't because its worst animations are still decent compared to the worst of Super, as simple as that lol
Also like I said just above there is more bad than good animations in Super lowering down its average lol
You can call people nitpicky, but maybe that is because some think the franchise deserves better than what it got, you can find all the issues of Z it won't legitimate in any way what's wrong with Super lol

I really enjoy Super though, from the Champa arc and most mainly the Black arc, they are doing great progress, and tbh I've seen very little bashing on that arc maybe you guys could accept a bit better different opinions than yours when they are expressed, "this is great" is not more constructive than "this is awful" lol

[zamasu121]

i agree with you to be honest i was not even talking about you I'm just talking about this fanbase in general.
a lot of people are hating this series from day 1 and they never gave the series a fair chance so even when it improves a lot like with this arc people still hate on it just as much they look for reasons to hate it.
the bog arc was below average and the rof arc was terrible but since than it improved with the champa arc which i think is ok but the future trunks arc is great

Dude, i completely agree with you.

There is clearly a double standard when it comes to DBZ and DBS animation. It is true that DBZ overall has more consistent and better animation than Super, when you include the BOG and ROF arc (which should always be included because it's part of the series whether you like it or not), but people like to give Super way much more shit than it deserves. I've seen people shit on the animation, even when it's pretty decent. Everybody watches super with judgemental eyes, and nitpick every single detail they find, to blow it out of proportion and write in the comments, "the animation is shit" just because of a fraction of a second in between frame. Meanwhile, in that scene where Trunks kills Mecha Freeza, which had horrible art and animation, nobody says jack shit. Everybody is praising it.

So there's clearly a double standard, DBZ gets a pass on bad animation, because its DBZ, but when its Super, oh boy, people completely shit the shit out of it.

[PsionicWarrior]

Flooding my replies isn't going to make your points any more valid you know lol