Dragonball Super has potential to become a legendary series as Z

[zamasu121]

Flooding my replies isn't going to make your points any more valid you know lol

like i said i agreed with you but i just know how most of this fanbase work.
even if dbs would have one punch man tier animation for 50 straight episodes the second an episode with bad animation will pop up people are still gonna trash this series.
no matter how much dbs will improve all around a lot of people would continue to hate it because its not dbz

[Shuby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfHBrhMM5bk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AunM2T5E2VA

Excellent videos! I agree with every point.
Thx for sharing


@Yomi, I disagree so much with your post I can't think of an answer right now lol

[PsionicWarrior]

even if dbs would have one punch man tier animation for 50 straight episodes the second an episode with bad animation will pop up people are still gonna trash this series.

I highly doubt that would be the case to be honest lol

[Shuby]

even if dbs would have one punch man tier animation for 50 straight episodes the second an episode with bad animation will pop up people are still gonna trash this series.

I highly doubt that would be the case to be honest lol

Yeah lol don't exaggerate this sole purpose people hate the animation is because it's below Z. Point and clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfHBrhMM5bk

[zamasu121]

even if dbs would have one punch man tier animation for 50 straight episodes the second an episode with bad animation will pop up people are still gonna trash this series.

I highly doubt that would be the case to be honest lol

there are a lot of dbs haters trust me lol and i believe in the old saying ''haters gonna hate'' you simply cannot change these people minds imo

[PsionicWarrior]

there are a lot of dbs haters trust me lol and i believe in the old saying ''haters gonna hate'' you simply cannot change these people minds imo

I think you are more biased towards the fandom than we are with Z lol
I really hated Super when it first aired, but I've now changed my mind simply because the show became better, but I can understand it's not yet good enough for everyone lol

I'm pretty sure if post Black arc we get:

- 80% of animations tier #57
- Minimal amount of ugly "fast-paced and fast drawn" frames
- Better understanding of main characters such as Goku or Vegeta
- Try to somehow find a way for the power levels not to be such a mess, though maybe at this point a retcon is needed lol

There would be an overwhelming positive reception. But maybe I'm asking for too much, crossing fingers anyway lol

Keep in mind that the only thing complainers want is a better show, and all of us are happy for any kind of improvement aren't we lol

[zamasu121]

even if dbs would have one punch man tier animation for 50 straight episodes the second an episode with bad animation will pop up people are still gonna trash this series.

I highly doubt that would be the case to be honest lol

Yeah lol don't exaggerate this sole purpose people hate the animation is because it's below Z. Point and clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfHBrhMM5bk

you are not wrong z is much more consistent in terms of good animated episodes however this video is extremely biased he took a good animated fight from dbz and a bad animated fight from super.
i could do the same by taking the video of trunks killing frieza or android 18 vs vegeta and compare it to trunks vs black from episode 48(there is no need to overkill with episode 57) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xegnmANoF58
i will put it this way when super has a bad animation day its really really bad compared to dbz bad animated episodes which are still consider passable for the most part

[zamasu121]

there are a lot of dbs haters trust me lol and i believe in the old saying ''haters gonna hate'' you simply cannot change these people minds imo

I think you are more biased towards the fandom than we are with Z lol
I really hated Super when it first aired, but I've now changed my mind simply because the show became better, but I can understand it's not yet good enough for everyone lol

I'm pretty sure if post Black arc we get:

- 80% of animations tier #57
- Minimal amount of ugly "fast-paced and fast drawn" frames
- Better understanding of main characters such as Goku or Vegeta
- Try to somehow find a way for the power levels not to be such a mess, though maybe at this point a retcon is needed lol

There would be an overwhelming positive reception. But maybe I'm asking for too much, crossing fingers anyway lol

Keep in mind that the only thing complainers want is a better show, and all of us are happy for any kind of improvement aren't we lol

you make some good points especially about goku but i don't see the problem with vegeta's character

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Z gets a pass where Super doesn't because its worst animations are still decent compared to the worst of Super, as simple as that lol

No it isn't. Most of the Uchiyama and Ebisawa supervised ep looks just as bad if not worse than Super's bad episodes. I don't hate Z but I kind of agree that everybody just loves to shit on Super for everything, while give a pass to Z cause it's you know Z.

Also like I said just above there is more bad than good animations in Super lowering down its average lol

How high do people hold Z's animation? It's ridiculous. Z was not consistently well animated, aside from Studio Cockpit episodes and brief moments of Seigasha brilliance it was sub par. Yuu Yuu Hakusho it's competitor back in the day trashes it in art, colouring and animation. There's some huge misconception among DB fans, Z was never the top dog.

The only reason Z still has the edge over Super is cause of better schedule, better directors, more time and more talented staff, but Super is still on going and improving. It's best moments are up there with Z's. If the schedule improves and more talented staff are brought on board it will top Z for sure.

- Travis

[fadeddreams5]

With the way things have gone, there is no way in hell this series will reach "legendary" status. This series can't even stand on its own would it not be for the familiarity of its main characters. There are too many factors against it too, like its competition and the advent of the internet.

[HybridSaiyan]

Z status is out of the question. Super would have to make the animation and fights 10x better than Z's for that to work. Plus, every arc in DBZ had many things going on. Supers arcs is all set in the one background. Black, Zamasu, Goku, Vegeta and Trunks. They fight and get defeated, it's all on repeat. Nothing else is happening besides that. Nothing else is building up.

Buu had lots of different elements going on atleast.
-Great Saiyaman stuff
-Videl
-Tournament and new dangerous characters
-Vegito and Gotenks
-Piccolo and Krillin turning to stone
- Vegeta getting his evil game on again
- SSJ3 Goku
- Gohan unlocking his potential and training with the Kais

So much was building up for every arc in Z.

[Lujin_16]

Z status is out of the question. Super would have to make the animation and fights 10x better than Z's for that to work. Plus, every arc in DBZ had many things going on. Supers arcs is all set in the one background. Black, Zamasu, Goku, Vegeta and Trunks. They fight and get defeated, it's all on repeat. Nothing else is happening besides that. Nothing else is building up.

Buu had lots of different elements going on atleast.
-Great Saiyaman stuff
-Videl
-Tournament and new dangerous characters
-Vegito and Gotenks
-Piccolo and Krillin turning to stone
- Vegeta getting his evil game on again
- SSJ3 Goku
- Gohan unlocking his potential and training with the Kais

So much was building up for every arc in Z.

Gowas.Beerus,Whis,Bulma,Mai plays an important role in this arc but oke that#s just hating

[HybridSaiyan]

Z status is out of the question. Super would have to make the animation and fights 10x better than Z's for that to work. Plus, every arc in DBZ had many things going on. Supers arcs is all set in the one background. Black, Zamasu, Goku, Vegeta and Trunks. They fight and get defeated, it's all on repeat. Nothing else is happening besides that. Nothing else is building up.

Buu had lots of different elements going on atleast.
-Great Saiyaman stuff
-Videl
-Tournament and new dangerous characters
-Vegito and Gotenks
-Piccolo and Krillin turning to stone
- Vegeta getting his evil game on again
- SSJ3 Goku
- Gohan unlocking his potential and training with the Kais

So much was building up for every arc in Z.

Gowas.Beerus,Whis,Bulma,Mai plays an important role in this arc but oke that#s just hating

Yeah, but mai is only being used for that forced otp shit lol. Bulma is acting...I dunno, she's got her dragon ball attitude back. I thought she calmed her ass down more in the Buu saga, maybe not though.

[Shuby]

I love when people legitimately criticize Super, Super fanboys think it's because of just hating the series.

-The animation was for the most part durning Super's course until now below average.
-Usage of characters....
-Powerscalling is just so damn off , one could argue that happened durning Majin Buu but it has gone even a more worse direction.

Anyone here saying DBS>Z is a fanboy point and clear because it has been shown again again , the evidence points more to that Z is better.

Artstyle and animation,as repetitive as this may sound to some,would be Super's biggest problem.In terms of quality,the battles are mildly disturbing;clashing action figures as a kid felt less rigid.Dbz's hype emanates through it's fights,which is the primary cause of Super's anticlimactic nature;it's too vast a difference in quality.The characters are universe busters solely in name;their feats are limited to house sized explosions.The plot....is amusing,though swarming with inconsistencies(which isn't to say Super's predecessors are lacking in this category).While the number of characters falling prey to the ,,Yamcha effect'' is increasing by the second,at least they are somewhat entertaining for the time being.Overall,it simply doesn't read as a sequel,and judging by what they've been serving us with up until this point,i'm more inclined to not give it the benefit of the doubt.For the sake of not being overly antagonistic towards the series,i'll say it does have it's moments,as restricted in quantity as they may be.

[Hit!!]

Meanwhile, in that scene where Trunks kills Mecha Freeza, which had horrible art and animation, nobody says jack shit. Everybody is praising it.
So there's clearly a double standard, DBZ gets a pass on bad animation, because its DBZ, but when its Super, oh boy, people completely shit the shit out of it.

Z gets a pass where Super doesn't because its worst animations are still decent compared to the worst of Super, as simple as that lol

Nope, you're distorting my argument. I wasn't talking about when you compare the worst of DBZ with the worst of Super, what i meant was that you can show people a bad animation sequence of Z and nobody is going to point it out, but if you show them an EQUALLY or slightly better animation sequence of Super, people will inmediately make comments such as "Super is shit", "aweful animation", "animation in Super sucks", etc. Even if the clip is actually not thaat bad, maybe even better than its Z counterpart.

People watch Super just waiting to see some bad animation to criticize it. Thats what Zamasu is trying to say.

[zamasu121]

I love when people legitimately criticize Super, Super fanboys think it's because of just hating the series.

-The animation was for the most part durning Super's course until now below average.
-Usage of characters....
-Powerscalling is just so damn off , one could argue that happened durning Majin Buu but it has gone even a more worse direction.

Anyone here saying DBS>Z is a fanboy point and clear because it has been shown again again , the evidence points more to that Z is better.

i always said dbz is much better than most of super so i don't see your point
I'm simply saying that dbs should not be the only one to be criticized for bad animation just look at the fight between android 18 and vegeta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veBdwqJbO60 when i see zero people mentioning the animation in the comments it just reminds me why i dislike the community in general for being biased
look how stiff the animation is and how off model the characters are at all times

[Hit!!]

To answer OP's question, i don't think Super will ever be as legendary as Z, but we shouldn't sleep on Super's potential. It can become a very, very, very popular series in the future, especially when it gets dubbed. Maybe even rivaling One Punch Man, Shingeki no Kyojin or even Fullmetal Alchemist. Of course, I'm talking about strictly popularity wise.

[Shuby]

Meanwhile, in that scene where Trunks kills Mecha Freeza, which had horrible art and animation, nobody says jack shit. Everybody is praising it.
So there's clearly a double standard, DBZ gets a pass on bad animation, because its DBZ, but when its Super, oh boy, people completely shit the shit out of it.

Z gets a pass where Super doesn't because its worst animations are still decent compared to the worst of Super, as simple as that lol

Nope, you're distorting my argument. I wasn't talking about when you compare the worst of DBZ with the worst of Super, what i meant was that you can show people a bad animation sequence of Z and nobody is going to point it out, but if you show them an EQUALLY or slightly better animation sequence of Super, people will inmediately make comments such as "Super is shit", "aweful animation", "animation in Super sucks", etc. Even if the clip is actually not thaat bad, maybe even better than its Z counterpart.

People watch Super just waiting to see some bad animation to criticize it. Thats what Zamasu is trying to say.

Because most likely the animation is below average?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkV4xTpk8G8

[Shuby]

To answer OP's question, i don't think Super will ever be as legendary as Z, but we shouldn't sleep on Super's potential. It can become a very, very, very popular series in the future, especially when it gets dubbed. Maybe even rivaling One Punch Man, Shingeki no Kyojin or even Fullmetal Alchemist. Of course, I'm talking about strictly popularity wise.

And how does it look worse then this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkV4xTpk8G8

Z worse animation> Super worse animation the reason people shit on Super more because the animation is for the most part behind that of Z's. 1+1=2?

[Lujin_16]

I love when people legitimately criticize Super, Super fanboys think it's because of just hating the series.

-The animation was for the most part durning Super's course until now below average.
-Usage of characters....
-Powerscalling is just so damn off , one could argue that happened durning Majin Buu but it has gone even a more worse direction.

Anyone here saying DBS>Z is a fanboy point and clear because it has been shown again again , the evidence points more to that Z is better.

Artstyle and animation,as repetitive as this may sound to some,would be Super's biggest problem.In terms of quality,the battles are mildly disturbing;clashing action figures as a kid felt less rigid.Dbz's hype emanates through it's fights,which is the primary cause of Super's anticlimactic nature;it's too vast a difference in quality.The characters are universe busters solely in name;their feats are limited to house sized explosions.The plot....is amusing,though swarming with inconsistencies(which isn't to say Super's predecessors are lacking in this category).While the number of characters falling prey to the ,,Yamcha effect'' is increasing by the second,at least they are somewhat entertaining for the time being.Overall,it simply doesn't read as a sequel,and judging by what they've been serving us with up until this point,i'm more inclined to not give it the benefit of the doubt.For the sake of not being overly antagonistic towards the series,i'll say it does have it's moments,as restricted in quantity as they may be.

No one has said that Super is better than Z but if the next arc's will be as great as the trunks arc than it has potential...Let's wait and see when the series ends