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Simple. Zamasu hates mortals, that's his more characyeristic trait. Goku it's not only a mortal, but one that can defy gods. You don't even have to deduce that, they said it sound and clear.Pannaliciour wrote:I can't understand why he has so many hate against Goku just by hearing about him and watch him by godtube.
Wait, why would Zamasu even care/know if Beerus is a threat or not if he never met him? In the anime the reason seemed to be that Beerus was the one investigating him hence he saw him as a threat, here not. He certainly also didn´t care about the other gods of destructions too right, since he simply killed all the other Kaioshins.shadowfox87 wrote:We know that the original Zamasu in the current timeline watched GodTube and started hating Goku. He learned about Goku from the East Kaioshin after his fight with Kibito that Goku defeated Buu. This is the timeline where Future Trunks never arrived and Goku never fought Zamasu. This is the original Zamasu that became Black after killing Gowasu, stealing the time ring and potara, wishing to switch bodies with Goku, killing Chi Chi and Goten. (This Goku did not know who Zamasu was and never met him.)
Thus, this Zamasu became Black and then used the time ring to travel to the future to Future Trunks' timeline because in that timeline, Beerus was dead since Babidi killed the East Kaioshin. There was no threat of Beerus so Black then helped his future-self get rid of Gowasu a second time. The future Zamasu then wished for immortality because Goku did not exist in this timeline. Then they teamed up killing the Kaioshins of each universe so that there would be no Gods of Destruction to stand in their way. Lastly, they came to Earth to destroy humans and the last Saiyan - Trunks.This led to Future Trunks going back in time and THEN the time paradox starts which led to Goku fighting Zamasu and then Zamasu doing the events he did.
He kills the Kaioshin because the Gods of Destruction are a threat, seeing as Zamasu would have become a lifeline for one such God if Gowasu died naturally, it stands to reason he'd know about how dangerous they are and how they're connected to the Kaioshin. Also, in Blacks timeline Beerus doesn't investigate Zamasu nor does Goku, they just meet him because reasons.Gowasum wrote:Wait, why would Zamasu even care/know if Beerus is a threat or not if he never met him? In the anime the reason seemed to be that Beerus was the one investigating him hence he saw him as a threat, here not. He certainly also didn´t care about the other gods of destructions too right, since he simply killed all the other Kaioshins.shadowfox87 wrote:We know that the original Zamasu in the current timeline watched GodTube and started hating Goku. He learned about Goku from the East Kaioshin after his fight with Kibito that Goku defeated Buu. This is the timeline where Future Trunks never arrived and Goku never fought Zamasu. This is the original Zamasu that became Black after killing Gowasu, stealing the time ring and potara, wishing to switch bodies with Goku, killing Chi Chi and Goten. (This Goku did not know who Zamasu was and never met him.)
Thus, this Zamasu became Black and then used the time ring to travel to the future to Future Trunks' timeline because in that timeline, Beerus was dead since Babidi killed the East Kaioshin. There was no threat of Beerus so Black then helped his future-self get rid of Gowasu a second time. The future Zamasu then wished for immortality because Goku did not exist in this timeline. Then they teamed up killing the Kaioshins of each universe so that there would be no Gods of Destruction to stand in their way. Lastly, they came to Earth to destroy humans and the last Saiyan - Trunks.This led to Future Trunks going back in time and THEN the time paradox starts which led to Goku fighting Zamasu and then Zamasu doing the events he did.
ekrolo2 wrote:He kills the Kaioshin because the Gods of Destruction are a threat, seeing as Zamasu would have become a lifeline for one such God if Gowasu died naturally, it stands to reason he'd know about how dangerous they are and how they're connected to the Kaioshin. Also, in Blacks timeline Beerus doesn't investigate Zamasu nor does Goku, they just meet him because reasons.Gowasum wrote:Wait, why would Zamasu even care/know if Beerus is a threat or not if he never met him? In the anime the reason seemed to be that Beerus was the one investigating him hence he saw him as a threat, here not. He certainly also didn´t care about the other gods of destructions too right, since he simply killed all the other Kaioshins.shadowfox87 wrote:We know that the original Zamasu in the current timeline watched GodTube and started hating Goku. He learned about Goku from the East Kaioshin after his fight with Kibito that Goku defeated Buu. This is the timeline where Future Trunks never arrived and Goku never fought Zamasu. This is the original Zamasu that became Black after killing Gowasu, stealing the time ring and potara, wishing to switch bodies with Goku, killing Chi Chi and Goten. (This Goku did not know who Zamasu was and never met him.)
Thus, this Zamasu became Black and then used the time ring to travel to the future to Future Trunks' timeline because in that timeline, Beerus was dead since Babidi killed the East Kaioshin. There was no threat of Beerus so Black then helped his future-self get rid of Gowasu a second time. The future Zamasu then wished for immortality because Goku did not exist in this timeline. Then they teamed up killing the Kaioshins of each universe so that there would be no Gods of Destruction to stand in their way. Lastly, they came to Earth to destroy humans and the last Saiyan - Trunks.This led to Future Trunks going back in time and THEN the time paradox starts which led to Goku fighting Zamasu and then Zamasu doing the events he did.
In my opinion, this was created for the manga to have an excuse to show the entire Future Majin Buu conflict since if it had no connection to the current situation, it would have been filler for the lack of better words. Because it never made sense why Black would fear Beerus specifically, especially when in the same chapter Kibito called Beerus a lazy bum who didn't kill Buu.Gowasum wrote: I know, but I think you missed the point. He said "Thus, this Zamasu became Black and then used the time ring to travel to the future to Future Trunks' timeline because in that timeline, Beerus was dead since Babidi killed the East Kaioshin. There was no threat of Beerus so Black then helped his future-self get rid of Gowasu a second time". Why would he care about Beerus for his plans to kill Gowasu, he didn´t do it in the original timeline nor does he seem to care about the other GoDs since he simply kills all other Kaioshins without concern? I could understand that he could see it as a good starting point if theres one less GoD to worry about, but not for killing Gowasu.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
According to Toriyama, it was a car racing game:Noah wrote:Wasn't an hide and seek game?Lord Beerus wrote:Nice call back, Toyotaro. It's those finer details that just make the manga so damn good.
But according to Whis in Battle Of Gods, it was a game of hide and seek.Q7: Why is Kaiō’s planet so small?
The fact is, it was destroyed by the God of Destruction!!
It used to be so big that its diameter was about 100 times that of Kaiō’s current planet. Apart from the size it was completely the same as it is now, with nothing but grassy fields and roads. Kaiō-sama enjoyed his hobby, driving, but then one day Beerus, the God of Destruction, stopped by and they played a video game together (it was a car racing one). Beerus lost, and so the planet was destroyed by the peeved God of Destruction. Kaiō then took a large leftover fragment, whittled it down to a sphere, and built a road on it so that he could have fun driving there. This became Kaiō’s current planet.
Not for killing Gowasu but to not have to deal with Beerus because he stated in the manga that he was the most troublesome out of all the Hakaishins. Just one less Hakaishin to deal with. If you're implying why he didn't just kill the Kaioshin of universe 7 after killing Gowasu? I'm not sure. Maybe because kaioshin is well connected and has more friends, it's not as easy to kill him like it was Gowasu. The real mystery is where Zeno-sama is in the future. I wonder if by killing all the Hakaishins, Zeno dies. Black stated that there are no gods to oppose him. He should know who Zeno is since he watched GodTube and Zeno arrived at the end of the tournament.Gowasum wrote:Wait, why would Zamasu even care/know if Beerus is a threat or not if he never met him? In the anime the reason seemed to be that Beerus was the one investigating him hence he saw him as a threat, here not. He certainly also didn´t care about the other gods of destructions too right, since he simply killed all the other Kaioshins.
Is this from the anime? Because the manga hasn't gone into Blacks history yet as he doesn't even appear in the newest chapter at all.Gowasum wrote:I know, but I think you missed the point. He said "Thus, this Zamasu became Black and then used the time ring to travel to the future to Future Trunks' timeline because in that timeline, Beerus was dead since Babidi killed the East Kaioshin. There was no threat of Beerus so Black then helped his future-self get rid of Gowasu a second time". Why would he care about Beerus for his plans to kill Gowasu, he didn´t do it in the original timeline nor does he seem to care about the other GoDs since he simply kills all other Kaioshins without concern? I could understand that he could see it as a good starting point if theres one less GoD to worry about, but not for killing Gowasu.
Beerus is described as meddlesome by Black in the manga so Zamasu still needs a reason to see him that way, otherwise he shouldn´t care about him. I think it will be explained in the next chapter when they will probably go investigate Kibito first, then Kaioshin might remember Zamasu and they go visit U10.shadowfox87 wrote: Not for killing Gowasu but to not have to deal with Beerus because he stated in the manga that he was the most troublesome out of all the Hakaishins. Just one less Hakaishin to deal with. If you're implying why he didn't just kill the Kaioshin of universe 7 after killing Gowasu? I'm not sure. Maybe because kaioshin is well connected and has more friends, it's not as easy to kill him like it was Gowasu. The real mystery is where Zeno-sama is in the future. I wonder if by killing all the Hakaishins, Zeno dies. Black stated that there are no gods to oppose him. He should know who Zeno is since he watched GodTube and Zeno arrived at the end of the tournament.
The other mystery is that if Black is actually present Zamasu in post U6 tournament Goku's body, then why is he stronger than present Goku? Why does he gain zenkai boosts during the fight without healing? Did Zamasu's god ki combined with a Saiyan body alter the Zenkai? It makes no sense that base Black was fighting SSJ2 Goku when they have the exact same body. The original user of the body should know it better. Hell, when Ginyu took Goku's body, he didn't know how to use it at all.
Black was able to beat a near SS3 level Trunks who's power rivaled Goku's so you're not wrong about him being stronger in the manga and being close to SSGokuGowasum wrote:About Black being stronger than Goku, we didn´t see them fight in the manga so we don´t know yet. Him being stronger than Goku SSJ2 in the anime might be explained with Zamasu having god ki, so he basically is something like a SSJG Goku although again it is just speculation.
Actuallyekrolo2 wrote: Is this from the anime? Because the manga hasn't gone into Blacks history yet as he doesn't even appear in the newest chapter at all.
it is possible what shadowfox87 described, but Beerus would need to go to U10 without Goku to investigate him. And the next chapter might explain these events. Edit: Although not really since in the original timeline there would be no Trunks to go back and start the investigation events.. Edit Nr2: unless Toyotaro actually is going for a loop/paradox after all 
Oh yes, I forgot about Trunksekrolo2 wrote:Black was able to beat a near SS3 level Trunks who's power rivaled Goku's so you're not wrong about him being stronger in the manga and being close to SSGoku
ActuallyGowasum wrote: Is this from the anime? Because the manga hasn't gone into Blacks history yet as he doesn't even appear in the newest chapter at all.
it is possible what shadowfox87 described, but Beerus would need to go to U10 without Goku to investigate him. And the next chapter might explain these events. Edit: Although not really since in the original timeline there would be no Trunks to go back and start the investigation events.. Edit Nr2: unless Toyotaro actually is going for a loop/paradox after all [/quote]
There's no need for quasi personal attacks, on either end. If you can't keep the shonen spirit during discussion, then don't engage so things don't spiral out of control.Pannaliciour wrote:If you read my last sentence you should KNOW that I am not picking a fight. "Just enjoy both the products"OLKv3 wrote:Again, people praised Trunks meeting Gohan in the Super anime. They also praised the Vegeta slice of life episode. The only filler that gets bashed are ones that cause inconsistencies. Kaio Ken x 10 Goku. Meanwhile, SSG Goku in the manga gets bashed even more.
It feels like you're just trying to start a fight with the manga lovers. Your type shows up every month doing this for some reason.
I love It how people ( like you) are digging into my forum-past to criticise my behavior. Then again, I guess if you don't have anything better to do you will do this kind of psycho things?! You are really weird man stop stalking me
He only taunted him when Trunks called him a murderer. It's possible he never bothered before because Trunks didn't even know Black's story so nothing got personal. He also didn't want to tell Goku that was his body when they fought in the present, after all.ekrolo2 wrote:I wonder if this Universe 12 time traveller business is Toyotaro avoiding Trunks' antics being a part of Black/Zamasu's motivation. In the anime, Black doesn't taunt Trunks with his "sinning" during their many battles and is shocked when he discovers Trunks has a time machine. This kind of implies Black being angry with Trunks' time travelling might have been just a way for Trunks' rage boost to kick in.
But that's not the case. The 12 universes are different locations, not different dimensions. Anything else would result in the time-travel equivalent of a major syntax error, the kind of error that Toyotaro has done good to avoid so far.vilker wrote:If that split didn't affect to universe 10 neither 7 one
I mean: that fact didn't affect to universe 7 and universe 10 in the sense that the things would happen in the same way in both timelines.Jinzoningen MULE wrote:But that's not the case. The 12 universes are different locations, not different dimensions. Anything else would result in the time-travel equivalent of a major syntax error.vilker wrote:If that split didn't affect to universe 10 neither 7 one
But it appears that U7 was affected. Before Trunks' time travels, we had 3 timelines:vilker wrote:I mean: that fact didn't affect to universe 7 and universe 10 in the sense that the things would happen in the same way in both timelines.Jinzoningen MULE wrote:But that's not the case. The 12 universes are different locations, not different dimensions. Anything else would result in the time-travel equivalent of a major syntax error.vilker wrote:If that split didn't affect to universe 10 neither 7 one
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
