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by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:45 pm
In Brightest Day wrote:Here's some new fights:
- Avo and Cado vs. Lord Slug (young).
- 7 Cell Juniors vs. Kaioshin, Piccolo (Boo arc), SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (28th Budokai).
- Muten Roshi (base, Resurrection F) vs. Raditz.
- Demon Clan (Drum, Tambourine, Cymbal) vs. Son Goku, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin and Muten Roshi (22nd Budokai).
- SSJ Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Ultimate Son Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks (Boo arc).
Who is the strongest character Nuova Shenron could defeat in the original Manga?
- They fuse into Aka and take this, if they don't Slug probably wins.
- Piccolo and Kaioshin could take a few, but if all 7 of them gang up on them they're screwed. Goten and Trunks are irrelevant.
- Roshi's Max Power Kamehameha could take him out, otherwise he gets killed by Raditz.
- Goku, Roshi and Tenshinhan could do it on their own, Krillin and Yamcha are irrelevant.
- Gogeta one-shots Gotenks and beats Gohan with medium difficulty.
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by ahill1 » Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:31 pm
- 7 Cell Juniors vs. Kaioshin, Piccolo (Boo arc), SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (28th Budokai).
Kaioshin was stated to be way stronger than Piccolo, whom could already hold his own against a Cell Junior seven years ago. So, Kaioshit should be able to take out ~2 of them without too much problems. SSJ Goten was able to give SSJ Gohan problems and their second fight session shows both of them with their auras up, sweating, using a lot of effort. SSJ Trunks is even stronger than Goten, making Gohan fear to be outclassed. Piccolo most likely progressed a bit in this seven years, so he should be able to give one Cell Junior the same fight Trunks and Vegeta were giving at the Cell Games IMO.
Said that, the Boo saga team takes this without problems.
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by Sailor Haumea » Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:33 pm
ahill1 wrote:
- 7 Cell Juniors vs. Kaioshin, Piccolo (Boo arc), SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (28th Budokai).
Kaioshin was stated to be way stronger than Piccolo, whom could already hold his own against a Cell Junior seven years ago. So, Kaioshit
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by Angelus » Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:35 am
In Brightest Day wrote:
- 7 Cell Juniors vs. Kaioshin, Piccolo (Boo arc), SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (28th Budokai).
- Demon Clan (Drum, Tambourine, Cymbal) vs. Son Goku, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin and Muten Roshi (22nd Budokai)
- The Cell Jr.'s will overwhelm them. It will be a difficult win for the Cell Jr.'s. Probably only one of the Cell Jr.'s will survive. It's basically a 2 VS 1 for each of these guys and 1 for Piccolo. Piccolo could kill one but then one of the kids would be dead by then. The only way this can be won would be if Kaioshin immediately paralyzes one and then Piccolo immediately would blast that paralyzed one. Rinse and repeat. Kaoishin's paralysis is actually quite OP. He paralyzed a SSJ2.
- Demon Clan will win but Tambourine and Cymbal die. Goku can take care of Tambourine while Tien takes care of Cymbal. Easy kills for both of them. But by that time, everyone else would get killed quickly by Drum. You'll end up with a Tien and Goku VS Drum. Drum tossed around Tien like a ragdoll. Adding in Goku, who was slightly more powerful than Tien, won't make a difference. If Goku and Tien takes on Drum immediately, same story. Tambourine would kill the weakest one, Yamcha while Krillin and Roshi could pull off a kill against Cymbal. But then Drum will come for the rest of them.
Here's a match!
Androids Saga pre-Kami Piccolo VS 17&18 in a Mighty Mask outfit
[17 and 18 would be in the same position as Goten and Trunks were in the Mighty Mask outfit. The outfit is tailored to fit 17&18 with the same proportion as it did on Goten and Trunks. Complete with eye holes at the torso. 18 at the bottom and 17 sitting on her shoulders. The androids and Piccolo have no intent to kill. Winner only by KO or submission just like WMAT rules]
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by DanielSSJ » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:02 am
Angelus wrote:Here's a match!
Androids Saga pre-Kami Piccolo VS 17&18 in a Mighty Mask outfit
[17 and 18 would be in the same position as Goten and Trunks were in the Mighty Mask outfit. The outfit is tailored to fit 17&18 with the same proportion as it did on Goten and Trunks. Complete with eye holes at the torso. 18 at the bottom and 17 sitting on her shoulders. The androids have no intent to kill. WMAT rules]
Even with the restrictive clothing, the Androids are nearly twice as strong as Piccolo and there are two of them. I suppose Piccolo might be able to take out one of them with the Makankosappo, but that would be in violation of the Tenkaichi Budokai rules. Sorry Piccolo old boy, but you lose badly.
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by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:04 am
Angelus wrote:In Brightest Day wrote:
- 7 Cell Juniors vs. Kaioshin, Piccolo (Boo arc), SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (28th Budokai).
- Demon Clan (Drum, Tambourine, Cymbal) vs. Son Goku, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin and Muten Roshi (22nd Budokai)
- The Cell Jr.'s will overwhelm them. It will be a difficult win for the Cell Jr.'s. Probably only one of the Cell Jr.'s will survive. It's basically a 2 VS 1 for each of these guys and 1 for Piccolo. Piccolo could kill one but then one of the kids would be dead by then. The only way this can be won would be if Kaioshin immediately paralyzes one and then Piccolo immediately would blast that paralyzed one. Rinse and repeat. Kaoishin's paralysis is actually quite OP. He paralyzed a SSJ2.
- Demon Clan will win but Tambourine and Cymbal die. Goku can take care of Tambourine while Tien takes care of Cymbal. Easy kills for both of them. But by that time, everyone else would get killed quickly by Drum. You'll end up with a Tien and Goku VS Drum. Drum tossed around Tien like a ragdoll. Adding in Goku, who was slightly more powerful than Tien, won't make a difference. If Goku and Tien takes on Drum immediately, same story. Tambourine would kill the weakest one, Yamcha while Krillin and Roshi could pull off a kill against Cymbal. But then Drum will come for the rest of them.
Here's a match!
Androids Saga pre-Kami Piccolo VS 17&18 in a Mighty Mask outfit
[17 and 18 would be in the same position as Goten and Trunks were in the Mighty Mask outfit. The outfit is tailored to fit 17&18 with the same proportion as it did on Goten and Trunks. Complete with eye holes at the torso. 18 at the bottom and 17 sitting on her shoulders. The androids and Piccolo have no intent to kill. Winner only by KO or submission just like WMAT rules]
- Kaioshin's actually pretty tough, he could take down a couple Jrs. by himself, with Piccolo's help and the kids acting as distractions I could see them killing all 7.
- Drum isn't that tough, with Goku, Tien and Roshi going at him at the same time he'd die pretty quickly. Krillin can hold off Cymbal by himself for at least a few minutes, Yamcha gets killed by Tambourine but distracts him long enough for the others to finish their fights at which point they'd gang up on Cymbal and Tambourine and kill them.
17 & 18 oneshot Piccolo, costume or not the gap in power is simply too huge.
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by Zamasu55 » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:08 am
In Brightest Day wrote:Here's some new fights:
- Avo and Cado vs. Lord Slug (young).
- 7 Cell Juniors vs. Kaioshin, Piccolo (Boo arc), SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (28th Budokai).
- Muten Roshi (base, Resurrection F) vs. Raditz.
- Demon Clan (Drum, Tambourine, Cymbal) vs. Son Goku, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin and Muten Roshi (22nd Budokai).
- SSJ Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Ultimate Son Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks (Boo arc).
Who is the strongest character Nuova Shenron could defeat in the original Manga?
1. Very hard to tell... I give Slug the win.
2. The Cell Juniors, effortlessly, unless Goten and Trunks fuse.
3. I have never understood why Muten is so strong in ROF. Pass.
4. Drum solos. He stomped Tenshinhan who was only slightly weaker than Goku, who'd meet the same fate. Yamcha, Krillin and Muten are useless here.
5. Ssj Gogeta stomps hard.
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by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:45 am
Zamasu55 wrote:In Brightest Day wrote:Here's some new fights:
- Avo and Cado vs. Lord Slug (young).
- 7 Cell Juniors vs. Kaioshin, Piccolo (Boo arc), SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (28th Budokai).
- Muten Roshi (base, Resurrection F) vs. Raditz.
- Demon Clan (Drum, Tambourine, Cymbal) vs. Son Goku, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin and Muten Roshi (22nd Budokai).
- SSJ Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Ultimate Son Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks (Boo arc).
Who is the strongest character Nuova Shenron could defeat in the original Manga?
1. Very hard to tell... I give Slug the win.
2. The Cell Juniors, effortlessly, unless Goten and Trunks fuse.
3. I have never understood why Muten is so strong in ROF. Pass.
4. Drum solos. He stomped Tenshinhan who was only slightly weaker than Goku, who'd meet the same fate. Yamcha, Krillin and Muten are useless here.
5. Ssj Gogeta stomps hard.
2: Kaioshin + Piccolo team up can wreck the Jrs. especially with the kids acting as distractions.
4: Goku+Ten+Roshi team up destroys Drum.
Here's a fight from me:
Omega Buuly (Buu w/ Omega Shenron and LSSJ4 Broly absorbed) vs SSJ4 Gogeta
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by DanielSSJ » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:52 am
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Here's a fight from me:
Omega Buuly (Buu w/ Omega Shenron and LSSJ4 Broly absorbed) vs SSJ4 Gogeta
- Any power that Majin Boo (I'm assuming that this is Evil Boo, since he's the only one who really does absorbtions) is peanuts compared to the others, and he's more or less just glue to hold Broli and Super Yi Xing Long together. With Broli, I figure that this is based on his Movie 10 self, since that's him at his most powerful. SS4 boosts him to a level above Gohan-Boo, which is barely anything compared to the top powers of GT. Comparatively, Super Yi Xing Ling has barely gotten any more powerful and Gogeta gets himself a pink and green dragon-skinned wallet.
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by DBZ Macky » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:54 pm
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Omega Buuly (Buu w/ Omega Shenron and LSSJ4 Broly absorbed) vs SSJ4 Gogeta
Manga Logic Buu wins because Gogeta toys around with him too much and ends up running out of time.
Anime Logic A tough fight but Gogeta wins, since he's not just a fusion of 2 of the top 3 warriors, but also a SSJ4.
GT Logic Gogeta wins because the "Go" in Gogeta comes from Goku.
Movie Logic Broly's power is MAXIMUM, he stomps alone.
Video Game Logic LSSJ4 Broly stomps Gogeta on his own.
But then Gogeta punches him in the gut
Overall Gogeta would win if he doesn't screw around, but it won't be too easy to finish it so quickly. A tough battle for the fused SSJ4.
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by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:06 pm
DanielSSJ wrote:TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Here's a fight from me:
Omega Buuly (Buu w/ Omega Shenron and LSSJ4 Broly absorbed) vs SSJ4 Gogeta
- Any power that Majin Boo (I'm assuming that this is Evil Boo, since he's the only one who really does absorbtions) is peanuts compared to the others, and he's more or less just glue to hold Broli and Super Yi Xing Long together. With Broli, I figure that this is based on his Movie 10 self, since that's him at his most powerful. SS4 boosts him to a level above Gohan-Boo, which is barely anything compared to the top powers of GT. Comparatively, Super Yi Xing Ling has barely gotten any more powerful and Gogeta gets himself a pink and green dragon-skinned wallet.
The thing is, Buu still has insane regeneration and essentially infinite stamina, plus LSSJ4 would be a lot stronger than a regular SSJ4, Gogeta's fusion time is considerably shortened by SSJ4 and he can only stay fused for about 5-10 minutes, so Buu would simply have to outlast him.
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by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:06 am
1) Goku Black (Heart Virus Afflicted) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).
2) Present Timeline Version of Zamasu (in the very beginning stages of God of Destruction Beerus destroying him) vs. Full Power Frieza (Frieza Saga).
3) Future Zamasu (after spending a 100 billion years listening to all of Justin Bieber's songs on repeat) vs. Super Perfect Cell (Cell Games Saga).
4) Super Vegeta (dressed as the Pillsbury Doughboy) vs. Super Buu (Base Form).
5) Majin Vegeta (with him holding Larry the Cucumber in both hands) vs. Beerus.
6) Eis Shenron (with the drawing of Jaco's Frieza as a tattoo on his chest) vs. Golden Frieza.
7) Majin Spopovich (if he had switched places with Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta right before he had stopped playing around with Videl) vs. Hit (fight with Vegeta).
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by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:11 am
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Goku Black (Heart Virus Afflicted) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).
2) Present Timeline Version of Zamasu (in the very beginning stages of God of Destruction Beerus destroying him) vs. Full Power Frieza (Frieza Saga).
3) Future Zamasu (after spending a 100 billion years listening to all of Justin Bieber's songs on repeat) vs. Super Perfect Cell (Cell Games Saga).
4) Super Vegeta (dressed as the Pillsbury Doughboy) vs. Super Buu (Base Form).
5) Majin Vegeta (with him holding Larry the Cucumber in both hands) vs. Beerus.
6) Eis Shenron (with the drawing of Jaco's Frieza as a tattoo on his chest) vs. Golden Frieza.
7) Majin Spopovich (if he had switched places with Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta right before he had stopped playing around with Videl) vs. Hit (fight with Vegeta).
1) Black effortlessly oneshots.
2) Zamasu crushes Frieza before dying to Beerus himself.
3) Future Zamasu, though probably insane by this point, still kills Cell with low difficulty.
4) Super Vegeta gets stomped hard.
5) Beerus oneshots.
6) Golden Frieza oneshots.
7) Hit oneshots.
Here's a couple from me:
Cell Games Vegeta vs 50% MSSJ Gohan
Buu Arc SSJ Gohan vs Cell Games MSSJ Goku
Healthy SSJ Goku vs Future Androids
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by Sailor Haumea » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:16 am
Here's a free-for-all, with everyone having equal power:
Golden Frieza vs. Super Perfect Cell vs. Kid Buu
With equal power, who wins?
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by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:17 am
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) Goku Black (Heart Virus Afflicted) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Saiyan Saga).
2) Present Timeline Version of Zamasu (in the very beginning stages of God of Destruction Beerus destroying him) vs. Full Power Frieza (Frieza Saga).
3) Future Zamasu (after spending a 100 billion years listening to all of Justin Bieber's songs on repeat) vs. Super Perfect Cell (Cell Games Saga).
4) Super Vegeta (dressed as the Pillsbury Doughboy) vs. Super Buu (Base Form).
5) Majin Vegeta (with him holding Larry the Cucumber in both hands) vs. Beerus.
6) Eis Shenron (with the drawing of Jaco's Frieza as a tattoo on his chest) vs. Golden Frieza.
7) Majin Spopovich (if he had switched places with Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta right before he had stopped playing around with Videl) vs. Hit (fight with Vegeta).
1) Black effortlessly oneshots.
2) Zamasu crushes Frieza before dying to Beerus himself.
3) Future Zamasu, though probably insane by this point, still kills Cell with low difficulty.
4) Super Vegeta gets stomped hard.
5) Beerus oneshots.
6) Golden Frieza oneshots.
7) Hit oneshots.
Here's a couple from me:
Cell Games Vegeta vs 50% MSSJ Gohan
Buu Arc SSJ Gohan vs Cell Games MSSJ Goku
Healthy SSJ Goku vs Future Androids
Did I make you laugh a bit?
1) Base or Super Saiyan for MC Widow's Peak?
2) Cell Games Full Power Super Saiyan Goku wins, but is left very disappointed in his son.
3) Is this before or after the infamous Heart Virus?
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by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:18 am
Sailor Haumea wrote:Here's a free-for-all, with everyone having equal power:
Golden Frieza vs. Super Perfect Cell vs. Kid Buu
With equal power, who wins?
Super Perfect Cell.

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by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:20 am
Sailor Haumea wrote:Here's a free-for-all, with everyone having equal power:
Golden Frieza vs. Super Perfect Cell vs. Kid Buu
With equal power, who wins?
It's between Cell and Buu, Frieza dies pretty quickly.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Here's a couple from me:
Cell Games Vegeta vs 50% MSSJ Gohan
Buu Arc SSJ Gohan vs Cell Games MSSJ Goku
Healthy SSJ Goku vs Future Androids
Did I make you laugh a bit?
1) Base or Super Saiyan for MC Widow's Peak?
2) Cell Games Full Power Super Saiyan Goku wins, but is left very disappointed in his son.
3) Is this before or after the infamous Heart Virus?
Some of them were kinda funny.
1) Vegeta's SSJ.
3) Both.
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by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:27 am
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Sailor Haumea wrote:Here's a free-for-all, with everyone having equal power:
Golden Frieza vs. Super Perfect Cell vs. Kid Buu
With equal power, who wins?
It's between Cell and Buu, Frieza dies pretty quickly.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Here's a couple from me:
Cell Games Vegeta vs 50% MSSJ Gohan
Buu Arc SSJ Gohan vs Cell Games MSSJ Goku
Healthy SSJ Goku vs Future Androids
Did I make you laugh a bit?
1) Base or Super Saiyan for MC Widow's Peak?
2) Cell Games Full Power Super Saiyan Goku wins, but is left very disappointed in his son.
3) Is this before or after the infamous Heart Virus?
Some of them were kinda funny.
1) Vegeta's SSJ.
3) Both.
1) Super Saiyan Vegeta (Cell Games).
2) Won by an utterly exhausted Super Saiyan Goku.
3) Goku Black vs. A point-blank Big Bang to the face.
4) What if King Vegeta was among the crowd of Vegeta's Bingo Dance?
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by Sailor Haumea » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:28 am
King Vegeta would disown him and Tarble would be un-disowned.
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by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:31 am
Sailor Haumea wrote:King Vegeta would disown him and Tarble would be un-disowned.
Hitting him where it hurts, right in the pride!
