Is Zamasu (and Black) the most depraved villain yet?

[SaiyanZ]

No. Buu is much more depraved, killing people because its fun. While Cell enjoys scaring people as he told Trunks before he went off to create the Cell Game, he has a much more polite personality compared to Buu. Buu's base nature along with his love in killing people makes him the most depraved imo.

[Chiki]

I took several philosophy courses in college and know several philosophy professors. None of them used Hitler as an example of evil. In fact, they discouraged it since it suggests that Hitler was some kind of special evil among humanity.

Yes, tell that to the tenured professors who have peer-reviewed published work in ethics who violate Godwin's Law: http://philpapers.org/s/hitler%20ethics

You are not a good thinker if you take it seriously. I'm sorry, but that's just a fact.

No. Buu is much more depraved, killing people because its fun.

But he doesn't even know what he's doing is wrong. How is that evil? It's like a kid accidentally killing someone without knowing what they're doing and the consequences of their actions.. Buu cannot be held morally responsible for any of his actions, so he can't be evil.

[Patrolman Jaco]

Zamasu and Black are definitely the most depraved villains in Dragon Ball so far, they claim Humans are violent creatures that only spread destruction and warfare thus are ruining our world, yet they go around killing Humans and Gods like across an entire Multiverse giving them a larger body count
than any Human in the franchise so far. Just compare the state of Future Earth pre and post Black arrival, if Black really is doing the same to various planets seems clear the only ones spoiling the world are Black and Zamasu. Even the Gods of Destruction know not to go too far and offset the balance of the universe.

Their whole self righteous bit just doesn't work when we have scenes of them taunting Goku with how they killed an alternate version of him and then proceeded to off his family too or the ending of the sparring match between Goku and Zamasu, when after the fight Goku extends his hand to Zamasu to help him up and Zamasu responds by trying to attack him.

They can't even stand by/defend their own stance, when Vegeta rightfully calls them out on their bullshit about killing Humans AND Gods, which essentially means they're going to kill everyone in the Multiverse that isn't them, they reply with a nothing response "humans would never understand" well neither did the Gods apparently since you had to kill them too. Also, when they try and put the blame on Future Trunks for their own deplorable actions, saying this whole situation is happening because of him saving Goku, even though Zamasu's distaste for Humans was apparent before he even met Goku. Hell in the same episode they try and blame Trunks, there's a flashback to Black killing Future Gowasu and then he tells Future Zamasu that he himself wanted to do this, then Future Zamasu immediately gets over the death of his master and joins Black's killing spree, this verison of Zamasu never even met Goku until episode 56. So trying to blame Trunks is bullshit, apart from the obvious point about being accountable for your own actions, but if we are to belive that Future Trunks saving Goku is what caused this, then in the end it seems like Zamasu is just butthurt he lost to Goku in a sparring match.

They're just hypocritical petty assholes through and through, but because they spout the word "justice" every now and again people make them out to be deeper than other Dragon Ball villains when they really aren't (especially Freeza and Vegeta) at least not so far. Can't wait until they get their comeuppance at the end of this arc.

[TheShadowEmperor8055]

I agree, Zamasu is quite up there in terms of being depraved (and hypocritical, but hey, I think he's the most foreboding villain since Freeza). He not only hates "mortals/humans" but hates anyone else that sympathizes with them too. Kinda like Hody Jones from One Piece.

[Lord Frieza]

Well none is going to top Blue's infamous moment but they do rival Frieza.

I would even go so far as to say they have gone beyond being hypocritical or lying to themselfs, these two have clearly followed their fear and hatred of mortal and their contempt for the universes laws and its gods right down the dark tunnel that leads to megalomania. Its clear that they dont just hate mortals anymore, they look down on us as if we are scum to be wiped away and that they are the saviors of reality coming to fix the other gods mistakes.

They don't view their actions as wrong because they think they are superior to everyone and there for every choice they make is correct and every action is good, while other gods is a fool and mortals are a mistake.

You could honestly compare them to evil cult leaders, like Jim Jones the leader of the Peoples Temple, leaders of the Ku Klux Klan or any number of religious nut jobs.

Their quest to ride the universe of mortals should not be called a plan, its more like a holy crusade or purge.

[Fionordequester]

As a long time Dragon Ball fan, I...would say Zamasu actually IS the most depraved villain yet, with Freeza coming up a close second.

People remember Freeza mainly for how he was at the tail end of the Namek Saga, but...he wasn't always like that. In fact, he was relatively normal (well, "normal" for a galactic warlord, anyway) villain; almost boringly so. The guy was more or less a Bond villain in a hover chair, and had a fair amount of structure to what he did. He wants to rule the universe, he respects those who hold top positions in his army, he has a somewhat affable relationship with his dad (even if he doesn't actually love him), and etc., etc. The only time we REALLY see his most psychotic tendencies is when he's been pushed into a corner; till then, his motivations are (relatively) normal.

Buu and Cell, on the other hand, want death and destruction. They do everything for the sheer pleasure of it...but on the other hand, they're basically monsters. Hard to really judge them when they didn't have a choice in how they were made.

Zamasu, however, does not have the excuse that Buu and Cell have. He had all the free will that Freeza had, yet essentially became Kid Buu with a personality. What's worse, he is so far gone, that he's actually managed to convince himself that everything he does is right somehow. So...

1) Him taunting Goku about how he murdered his family? Somehow, that was justified in his eyes.

2) Him dragging out the destruction of Earth as long as he could? Nope, nothing wrong with that. It's not sadism! Of COURSE it isn't!

3) Him killing every god in his universe? Of COURSE that was necessary; why, anything to make sure the greater good was accomplished!

4) Or how about the way he witnessed Goku Black killing Gowasu? He literally saw himself from an outside perspective...and still could not see how that was wrong.

Make no mistake; Zamasu's "crusade" is nothing more than a way to feed his own ego. What he really wants is to be God; he wants a universe where all of creation bows to his whims. He believes that he is perfect, and that there is no fault in him; so if anyone has something he does not have, that person must be crushed. That's the real reason why he objects to mortals have "the wisdom of the gods"; because in his mind, nobody should have that but him. Anyone who doesn't agree with him is someone who is clearly not as beautiful, or as glorious, of a person as him. So if anyone impugnes on his sense of granduer? Their death isn't just "for the greater good". Their death is an act of justice; nay, DIVINE justice!

That's what truly makes him worse than Freeza; Freeza, for ALL of his depravity, could at least be placated. He, at least, is perfectly content to let your species live, so long as you are loyal and don't pose a threat to him. The Namekians probably wouldn't have gotten exterminated the way they had if they had just handed the Dragon Balls over to Freeza from the start. Freeza would be satisfied "just" by having immortality, as well as the entire universe as his playground...

This is not so with Zamasu. The only way HE can be placated is with the death of every form of intelligent life in the universe. Freeza's ego requires conquest of all mortals; Zamasu's ego requires omnicide of all mortals. And unlike Cell and Buu, he doesn't even have the excuse of being made that way; he CHOSE to be a monster!

Does that make sense to you all?

[Miracles]

Black and Zamasu are house cleaning as they call it.
Cell and Buu did mayhem for the lulz.

[GodVegetto91]

Have you guys met this guy already?



He destroyed 6 entire universes over some of the most trivial matters. Killing a near infinite number of people in a single blast. Destroying an immeasurable amount of lives. This dude has the highest body count in history. Now if that isn't evil i don't know what is.

They probably didn't got him a comfortable enough chair..

[Steven Bloodriver]

Have you guys met this guy already?



He destroyed 6 entire universes over some of the most trivial matters. Killing a near infinite number of people in a single blast. Destroying an immeasurable amount of lives. This dude has the highest body count in history. Now if that isn't evil i don't know what is.

They probably didn't got him a comfortable enough chair..

Again, Zeno should be replaced with the Supreme Kai of Time. With Zeno also being put in the Dead Zone like Garlic Junior for all of his senseless acts.

[Mazingerdestro]

Yes I have to say that till now Black is probably number 1.
Followed by Buu, Frieza, the rest of the bad guys, and then Cell

[Gig]

Suddenly, this evening I realized another fiction where there was a villain which reminds me a bit of Zamasu's path, although with many differences.

The similar concepts:
The antagonist discovers the existence of incredible power, fears it and decides the solution is to wipe out all those which may potentially use that power attacking his/her world... so decides to attack first. In the process, he/she becomes more evil, gets that enormous power and gets "drunk" with it...




Do you remember "Conqueror of Shamballa"?

[phattangent]

Yes. [spoiler][/spoiler]

[MaxZ]

I suspect he probably wants to repopulate the multiverse with new gods that agree with his ideals once he's finished remaking it in his own image.

but the one thing I wonder is, could he actually be redeemed?

like, what if he has a big climactic showdown with Vegito but that isn't how he's defeated. what if instead, something happens, he sees the compassion mortals are capable of somehow, and has an epiphany, realizes everything he's done. that would be an interesting plot twist, something that has certainly never happened in Dragon Ball. I'm not sure how it could be written though.

[Fionordequester]

I suspect he probably wants to repopulate the multiverse with new gods that agree with his ideals once he's finished remaking it in his own image.

but the one thing I wonder is, could he actually be redeemed?

like, what if he has a big climactic showdown with Vegito but that isn't how he's defeated. what if instead, something happens, he sees the compassion mortals are capable of somehow, and has an epiphany, realizes everything he's done. that would be an interesting plot twist, something that has certainly never happened in Dragon Ball. I'm not sure how it could be written though.

....Eh...I wouldn't bet on it. If the guy's gotten to the point where he'll dispassionately kill the very man who used to be his mentor...then yeah, I think he may be just a little too far gone.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Nope, not they are. Omni-King and Majin Bu are the most depraved villans in Dragon Ball.
The Omni-King destroyed 6 universe for trivial matters, mass murdering and genocide without any regard.
Majin Bu is the same as the Omni-King but to a lesser degree (he´s only a treat to a single Universe and a chunck of planets).

[sailorspazz]

but the one thing I wonder is, could he actually be redeemed?

like, what if he has a big climactic showdown with Vegito but that isn't how he's defeated. what if instead, something happens, he sees the compassion mortals are capable of somehow, and has an epiphany, realizes everything he's done. that would be an interesting plot twist, something that has certainly never happened in Dragon Ball. I'm not sure how it could be written though.

We've had plenty of bad guys turned good in Dragon Ball, so while it's possible given the franchise's history, it doesn't seem likely. Though Vegeta's redemption from savage asshole to caring family man is one of my favorite things about Dragon Ball, I can't imagine the same sort of thing happening with Zamasu. Especially since there's been two of him working together, reinforcing each other's views on humanity for years on end, I don't see how anyone could convince them to stop, or that they'd have a sudden epiphany after going as far as they have.

I'd much prefer for him to maintain his brutal, twisted nature and go down still believing his actions were justified, rather than getting down on his knees and praying for the Omni-King's forgiveness (though I did find a cute piece of fan-art depicting that sort of outcome )

[Lionel]

Could we perhaps have an alternative ending where Zamasu is not killed but objects to partaking in a system he's fundamentally opposed against? The idea of a villain who continues to live by allaying their oppositional violence but not outright reforming is unheard of in Dragon Ball, I believe. A neutral Zamasu could continue to maintain a surviving influence over the story by manipulating events so they accommodate the new ideology he aspires for -- i.e. an unfettered universe where ningen do not have the assistance or deprivation of the gods to impact their lives. No worlds created or destroyed. Maybe he could take this a step further by attempting to change the spiritual judgement overseen by Yemma with a nonpartisan liquidation of the spirit so it's utterly removed from existence after death, regardless of the life said being lead, or he alters the mechanics of death to transmigrationally convert the essence of ningen into a positive residual energy that emanates throughout the atmosphere, sort of like a reverse Spirit Bomb effect. He claims to appreciate the natural world so much, this utilisation of mortal spiritual power to strengthen and extend the vitality of nature would be coincident with his views.

[Amph]

again with, this, he clearly said that he killed the kaio, because they were hindering his zero mortals plan