The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:41 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
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TheUltimateNinja wrote: He doesn't show up at Fortune Teller Baba's tournament and he also makes a few cameo appearances every now and then.
Does the series as a whole stay mostly the same?
Yep, not much changes.
Would he just tag along with Goku and Bulma for a while?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:45 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:
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Sailor Haumea wrote: Does the series as a whole stay mostly the same?
Yep, not much changes.
Would he just tag along with Goku and Bulma for a while?
Nope, he'd most likely send Goku off on his own, though he'd probably go visit Roshi sometime.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:46 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
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TheUltimateNinja wrote: Yep, not much changes.
Would he just tag along with Goku and Bulma for a while?
Nope, he'd most likely send Goku off on his own, though he'd probably go visit Roshi sometime.
Would Roshi still try the Evil Containment Wave, or would Gohan take his place?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:53 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:
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Sailor Haumea wrote: Would he just tag along with Goku and Bulma for a while?
Nope, he'd most likely send Goku off on his own, though he'd probably go visit Roshi sometime.
Would Roshi still try the Evil Containment Wave, or would Gohan take his place?
Roshi would still do it.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:30 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: Nope, he'd most likely send Goku off on his own, though he'd probably go visit Roshi sometime.
Would Roshi still try the Evil Containment Wave, or would Gohan take his place?
Roshi would still do it.
1) What if in the Dragon Ball Z: History of Trunks Television Special, Future Goku had lived through and made a full recovery from the Heart Virus?

2) What if before she and her brother had started their killing spree, Future Android 18 and Future Android 17 had ran into both Goku Black and Future Zamasu, but before the Cyborgs could have been destroyed, Future Gohan had saved them and unlocked both the Super Saiyan AND the Super Saiyan 4 transformation against the two Zamasus, and killed them. And instead of trying to get to Amenbo Island, Future 18 had fell for the son of Goku?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:56 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote: Would Roshi still try the Evil Containment Wave, or would Gohan take his place?
Roshi would still do it.
1) What if in the Dragon Ball Z: History of Trunks Television Special, Future Goku had lived through and made a full recovery from the Heart Virus?

2) What if before she and her brother had started their killing spree, Future Android 18 and Future Android 17 had ran into both Goku Black and Future Zamasu, but before the Cyborgs could have been destroyed, Future Gohan had saved them and unlocked both the Super Saiyan AND the Super Saiyan 4 transformation against the two Zamasus, and killed them. And instead of trying to get to Amenbo Island, Future 18 had fell for the son of Goku?
1) The androids would have been defeated, though Cell would remain a problem, however with no androids or time machine, he could be neutralized by Goku or Piccolo w/ Kami unless he absorbs a lot of people and manages to absorb a couple Z fighters, especially the strong ones, in that case he becomes a serious threat.

2) There's no way SS4 Future Gohan stands a chance against any version of Zamasu so he gets demolished immediately, but assuming he wins by some miracle and gets with 18, Trunks would have no reason to go to the past so there's never a split in timelines, thanks to this Cell manages to get androids much quicker and he kills all of the Z fighters once he achieves perfection.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:55 pm

What if Appule abandoned his post of monitoring Vegeta and defected to the Z-Fighters because Frieza killed Orlen?

Basically, Appule betrays Frieza and just leaves Vegeta unguarded.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by PelicanDynasty » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:24 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:What if Appule abandoned his post of monitoring Vegeta and defected to the Z-Fighters because Frieza killed Orlen?

Basically, Appule betrays Frieza and just leaves Vegeta unguarded.

Presumably this changes nothing. He couldn't contribute anything against the Ginyu Force or Freeza, so he'd probably still die on Namek.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:25 pm

PelicanDynasty wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:What if Appule abandoned his post of monitoring Vegeta and defected to the Z-Fighters because Frieza killed Orlen?

Basically, Appule betrays Frieza and just leaves Vegeta unguarded.

Presumably this changes nothing. He couldn't contribute anything against the Ginyu Force or Freeza, so he'd probably still die on Namek.
Would he become a member of the Z-Fighters?

Would Vegeta have a few more minutes of his escape not being noticed?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by PelicanDynasty » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:29 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:
PelicanDynasty wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:What if Appule abandoned his post of monitoring Vegeta and defected to the Z-Fighters because Frieza killed Orlen?

Basically, Appule betrays Frieza and just leaves Vegeta unguarded.

Presumably this changes nothing. He couldn't contribute anything against the Ginyu Force or Freeza, so he'd probably still die on Namek.
Would he become a member of the Z-Fighters?

Would Vegeta have a few more minutes of his escape not being noticed?
I doubt he would team up with Gohan and Krillin, but like I said, if he did, he would probably get stomped by the Ginyus, and certainly Freeza would kill him if he was still around. I'd imagine Freeza would be very upset with him.

Don't know about the Vegeta part, I don't remember the exact circumstances of his escape.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:31 pm

PelicanDynasty wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:
PelicanDynasty wrote:

Presumably this changes nothing. He couldn't contribute anything against the Ginyu Force or Freeza, so he'd probably still die on Namek.
Would he become a member of the Z-Fighters?

Would Vegeta have a few more minutes of his escape not being noticed?
I doubt he would team up with Gohan and Krillin, but like I said, if he did, he would probably get stomped by the Ginyus, and certainly Freeza would kill him if he was still around. I'd imagine Freeza would be very upset with him.

Don't know about the Vegeta part, I don't remember the exact circumstances of his escape.
Zarbon asks how long Vegeta has left in the healing tank, Appule says he shouldn't be up for another hour so Zarbon leaves and Vegeta immediately breaks out and says they've underestimated Saiyan vitality and kills Appule. He then steals the Dragon Balls and manages to escape Frieza's ship through a series of clever distractions.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:58 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
PelicanDynasty wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote: Would he become a member of the Z-Fighters?

Would Vegeta have a few more minutes of his escape not being noticed?
I doubt he would team up with Gohan and Krillin, but like I said, if he did, he would probably get stomped by the Ginyus, and certainly Freeza would kill him if he was still around. I'd imagine Freeza would be very upset with him.

Don't know about the Vegeta part, I don't remember the exact circumstances of his escape.
Zarbon asks how long Vegeta has left in the healing tank, Appule says he shouldn't be up for another hour so Zarbon leaves and Vegeta immediately breaks out and says they've underestimated Saiyan vitality and kills Appule. He then steals the Dragon Balls and manages to escape Frieza's ship through a series of clever distractions.
1) What if Goku and Gohan had went Super Saiyan when Krillin was killed by Frieza?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:39 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
PelicanDynasty wrote:
I doubt he would team up with Gohan and Krillin, but like I said, if he did, he would probably get stomped by the Ginyus, and certainly Freeza would kill him if he was still around. I'd imagine Freeza would be very upset with him.

Don't know about the Vegeta part, I don't remember the exact circumstances of his escape.
Zarbon asks how long Vegeta has left in the healing tank, Appule says he shouldn't be up for another hour so Zarbon leaves and Vegeta immediately breaks out and says they've underestimated Saiyan vitality and kills Appule. He then steals the Dragon Balls and manages to escape Frieza's ship through a series of clever distractions.
1) What if Goku and Gohan had went Super Saiyan when Krillin was killed by Frieza?
Gohan would still be too weak to fight Frieza as he would only be around ~70% of Frieza so Goku would still take Frieza on his own, but Gohan would get a lot stronger in the androids arc due to becoming a Super Saiyan much earlier.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:36 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
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TheUltimateNinja wrote: Zarbon asks how long Vegeta has left in the healing tank, Appule says he shouldn't be up for another hour so Zarbon leaves and Vegeta immediately breaks out and says they've underestimated Saiyan vitality and kills Appule. He then steals the Dragon Balls and manages to escape Frieza's ship through a series of clever distractions.
1) What if Goku and Gohan had went Super Saiyan when Krillin was killed by Frieza?
Gohan would still be too weak to fight Frieza as he would only be around ~70% of Frieza so Goku would still take Frieza on his own, but Gohan would get a lot stronger in the androids arc due to becoming a Super Saiyan much earlier.
1) What if Goku Black had come into existence from a Dark Dragon Ball of the Dark Demon Realm having landed on the grave of Future Goku nine years following the death of Future Gohan?

2) What if just after Future Trunks had returned from the events of Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound, this incarnation of Goku Black had teamed up with an evil Earthling that was just as strong as Frieza was during his final battle with Super Saiyan Goku?

3) What if Ivan Ooze had been unleashed by Rita and Lord Zedd and the three then encountered Future Gohan just before the latter's final battle?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:41 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) What if Goku and Gohan had went Super Saiyan when Krillin was killed by Frieza?
Gohan would still be too weak to fight Frieza as he would only be around ~70% of Frieza so Goku would still take Frieza on his own, but Gohan would get a lot stronger in the androids arc due to becoming a Super Saiyan much earlier.
1) What if Goku Black had come into existence from a Dark Dragon Ball of the Dark Demon Realm having landed on the grave of Future Goku nine years following the death of Future Gohan?

2) What if just after Future Trunks had returned from the events of Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound, this incarnation of Goku Black had teamed up with an evil Earthling that was just as strong as Frieza was during his final battle with Super Saiyan Goku?

3) What if Ivan Ooze had been unleashed by Rita and Lord Zedd and the three then encountered Future Gohan just before the latter's final battle?
1) He would be much weaker.

2) He would singlehandedly beat Trunks, the Earthling is useless.

3) Not much.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:58 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: Gohan would still be too weak to fight Frieza as he would only be around ~70% of Frieza so Goku would still take Frieza on his own, but Gohan would get a lot stronger in the androids arc due to becoming a Super Saiyan much earlier.
1) What if Goku Black had come into existence from a Dark Dragon Ball of the Dark Demon Realm having landed on the grave of Future Goku nine years following the death of Future Gohan?

2) What if just after Future Trunks had returned from the events of Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound, this incarnation of Goku Black had teamed up with an evil Earthling that was just as strong as Frieza was during his final battle with Super Saiyan Goku?

3) What if Ivan Ooze had been unleashed by Rita and Lord Zedd and the three then encountered Future Gohan just before the latter's final battle?
1) He would be much weaker.

2) He would singlehandedly beat Trunks, the Earthling is useless.

3) Not much.
1) What if before Goku Black had killed the real Goku in the body of Zamasu, Chi-Chi, and Goten, he had tried the Supreme Kai of Time's cooking?

2) What if Future Gohan had survived and went with Future Trunks into the past while Cooler also went with Mecha Frieza and King Cold to Earth?

3) If you had managed to see the Future Warrior, Future Gohan, and Future Trunks facing off against Mira the day before, what if the three heroes had achieved Super Saiyan Rosé and had killed Mira?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:08 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) What if Goku Black had come into existence from a Dark Dragon Ball of the Dark Demon Realm having landed on the grave of Future Goku nine years following the death of Future Gohan?

2) What if just after Future Trunks had returned from the events of Dragon Ball Z: Bojack Unbound, this incarnation of Goku Black had teamed up with an evil Earthling that was just as strong as Frieza was during his final battle with Super Saiyan Goku?

3) What if Ivan Ooze had been unleashed by Rita and Lord Zedd and the three then encountered Future Gohan just before the latter's final battle?
1) He would be much weaker.

2) He would singlehandedly beat Trunks, the Earthling is useless.

3) Not much.
1) What if before Goku Black had killed the real Goku in the body of Zamasu, Chi-Chi, and Goten, he had tried the Supreme Kai of Time's cooking?

2) What if Future Gohan had survived and went with Future Trunks into the past while Cooler also went with Mecha Frieza and King Cold to Earth?

3) If you had managed to see the Future Warrior, Future Gohan, and Future Trunks facing off against Mira the day before, what if the three heroes had achieved Super Saiyan Rosé and had killed Mira?
1) He'd kill her too.

2) He'd get killed unless Goku ITs to Earth in time.

3) The plot would change a lot.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:23 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: 1) He would be much weaker.

2) He would singlehandedly beat Trunks, the Earthling is useless.

3) Not much.
1) What if before Goku Black had killed the real Goku in the body of Zamasu, Chi-Chi, and Goten, he had tried the Supreme Kai of Time's cooking?

2) What if Future Gohan had survived and went with Future Trunks into the past while Cooler also went with Mecha Frieza and King Cold to Earth?

3) If you had managed to see the Future Warrior, Future Gohan, and Future Trunks facing off against Mira the day before, what if the three heroes had achieved Super Saiyan Rosé and had killed Mira?
1) He'd kill her too.

2) He'd get killed unless Goku ITs to Earth in time.

3) The plot would change a lot.
Could you please elaborate on why Goku Black would be okay after eating the food of the Supreme Kai of Time, why a Future Gohan that would even be stronger than he was against Future Androids 17 and 18 would be in trouble especially if he has Future Trunks with him against the likes of Mecha Frieza, Fourth Form Cooler, and King Cold, and did you really see the livestream in time yesterday?!

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Re: General What-If thread

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Steven Bloodriver wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
1) What if before Goku Black had killed the real Goku in the body of Zamasu, Chi-Chi, and Goten, he had tried the Supreme Kai of Time's cooking?

2) What if Future Gohan had survived and went with Future Trunks into the past while Cooler also went with Mecha Frieza and King Cold to Earth?

3) If you had managed to see the Future Warrior, Future Gohan, and Future Trunks facing off against Mira the day before, what if the three heroes had achieved Super Saiyan Rosé and had killed Mira?
1) He'd kill her too.

2) He'd get killed unless Goku ITs to Earth in time.

3) The plot would change a lot.
Could you please elaborate on why Goku Black would be okay after eating the food of the Supreme Kai of Time, why a Future Gohan that would even be stronger than he was against Future Androids 17 and 18 would be in trouble especially if he has Future Trunks with him against the likes of Mecha Frieza, Fourth Form Cooler, and King Cold, and did you really see the livestream in time yesterday?!
1) He's a God so he's most likely unaffected by most things, he would likely simply be annoyed.

2) 5th Form Cooler is considerably stronger than Frieza and Cold so Gohan would most likely sacrifice himself against Cooler to protect Trunks.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:04 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: 1) He'd kill her too.

2) He'd get killed unless Goku ITs to Earth in time.

3) The plot would change a lot.
Could you please elaborate on why Goku Black would be okay after eating the food of the Supreme Kai of Time, why a Future Gohan that would even be stronger than he was against Future Androids 17 and 18 would be in trouble especially if he has Future Trunks with him against the likes of Mecha Frieza, Fourth Form Cooler, and King Cold, and did you really see the livestream in time yesterday?!
1) He's a God so he's most likely unaffected by most things, he would likely simply be annoyed.

2) 5th Form Cooler is considerably stronger than Frieza and Cold so Gohan would most likely sacrifice himself against Cooler to protect Trunks.
1) Beerus was shown to be affected by Chronoa's cooking.

2) Even in his Fifth Form, Cooler would not be able to beat Super Saiyan Future Gohan.

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