Unpopular DB opinions

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Maeda Minoru is highly overrated. His character designs are copy paste Toriyama and he lacked a vision of his own. I'm not a fan of his designs cause they are just "on-model" with no appeal at all. They never stood out.

As much as I hate Yamamuro Tadayoshi nowadays, the guy back in the day had his own distinct vision and provided some really appealing designs.

- Travis

[Bansho64]

I've come dislike Studio Cockpit's style recently. The animation's great but I don't like the style. It hasn't really aged well in my opinion.

Recently, I've been loving Seigasha. They've moved up from 2nd place behind Studio Junio, to first place on my list of favorites. Or, to be specific, I love Masahiro Shimanuki's work. He might be my favorite DB animator now. His work in the Goku vs Freeza fight was superb.

[Anime Kitten]

We can call 18 and 17 just 'Bratty Teens who got strong', like we can just call Frieza a 'Pampered Brat who happens to be strong', or Buu a 'Bubblegum Clown' and Cell's just a 'Creepy Bugman'. It doesn't hamper their potential as villains.

Beerus is a cat who loves food who happens to be a god, Black is a Kai guy who happens to be in Goku's body and also happens to be god-tier, (Future) Zamasu is another version of the same Kai guy who happens to be super strong...

[8000 Saiyan]

While Cha-La Head Cha-La is great, I prefer We Gotta Power.

[Bansho64]

While Cha-La Head Cha-La is great, I prefer We Gotta Power.

I agree! I wish it would be used in more games. I really love the Latin Spanish and German versions of the song.

[8000 Saiyan]

Although Sabat's Kai performances are great, I still prefer Drummond's Vegeta and McNeil's Piccolo.

[VDenter]

So Kami did know about something but did not say anything?

He had a foreboding, but it was incredibly vague. Surely Piccolo knew it as well.

I dont get why you are so against the idea of Cell being tacked because every villain in every previous arcs was established as the primary threat.

That's your defense? Because every other villain was established pretty much from the beginning, so every villain must? We can debate execution, but I welcome the change. We know there's a threat coming, but it doesn't end up being the one we expect, but Cell doesn't feel tacked on. He feels like a logical progression seeing as how there's a constant mystery for the first third of the arc. Trunks says the cyborgs were the big threat that was coming, but since there are numerous changes to the timeline, Cell fits because he's also one of Dr. Gero's creations. The Cyborgs being the fuel for his perfection gave the story a nice sense of cohesion.

They basically killed most if not all his men

Freeza would kill anyone on a whim.

I fail to see your point how Cell would have reached his perfect form he never came across as crafty he merely lucked out that Piccolo and 17 were fighting otherwise he would have never found the cyborgs since you cant sense their energy.

Hence crafty. He pounced on any good fortune he could find, and you seem to have forgotten that until that point he had been absorbing people, but staying under the radar until he amassed enough power to be a threat. He knew the kind of person Vegeta was and used that to his advantage. You see that as Vegeta acting stupid because the plot demanded it. In this case, you are wrong. If it was simply because the plot demanded it, that implies he's acting out of character. He's not. Vegeta is well within character to allow his opponent to get stronger in order to have a better fight. It's happened before. But you are correct about Cell not being able to sense 17, but sensing Piccolo was fighting, he deduced Piccolo was fighting the cyborgs.

No i did not say its wimpy but because of the way Cell comes back and is stronger, the attacks the other characters did to him before certainly would not to any damage to him now long enough for him to get distracted i just dont buy that.

Vegeta didn't do any damage, he just hit him with enough force to distract him, like Tenshinhan did with the Kikoho. No physical damage was done, but it was enough to give Gohan the opening he needed.

he had little to no hinting

No, HE didn't, but there was certainly a sense that something bigger was going on with all the changes to the timeline.

I did not realize that Vegeta was established to be a idiot? Sure he came across as cocky at times earlier in the series but this is also the same guy who basically played his cards nearly perfectly in the Namek arc. The only time he really let anybody transform as far as i remember was Freeza but that is only because he was going to do it anyway so why waste anymore time. The situation with Cell is quite the opposite maybe i could of bought it if Trunks, Kuririn or 18 herself did not have countless chances to Prevent Cell from reaching his ultimate form. It really did not seem like Cell had much of anything other than pure luck and he was lucky mostly because for some reason the main characters in this arc more so than in any other arc of Dragon ball make incredibly dumb decisions. Really has Vegeta done a single useful thing in the entire arc other than kill cyborg 19!?

Slithly off topic its not really a surprise that TFS is funnier now than it ever has been and its mostly because no other arc is as easy to make more fun of than the Cell arc. (Not counting GT or the Buu arc obviously)

There might be a bigger sense in the anime but in the manga it comes much more suddenly thanks to the faster pace. Piccolo gaining a massive power boost also gets wasted since he does nothing with it kind of comes off as a excuse just to make the dragon balls inactive only to increase the sense of danger but it felt so needless and unlike in previous arcs this felt horribly forced and as many things in the arc does not make any sense.

Also yes Freeza would kill anybody on a whim but he had personal beefs with the main characters, Cell completely lacks any of this.
The one credit i can give to Cell as a villain is that thankfully he never manages to fall quite as low as Majin Buu.

[LuckyCat]

Piccolo gaining a massive power boost also gets wasted since he does nothing with it kind of comes off as a excuse just to make the dragon balls inactive only to increase the sense of danger

Are you sure that was the writer's intent? Toriyama wrote a new set of Dragon Balls available fairly quickly, so I don't think the audience was ever supposed to fear the dragon balls being gone. I think he was just trying to give a cost to Piccolo getting such a big power up. Piccolo's power up seems somewhat more fair that way. It also explains why Kami and Piccolo wouldn't have combined sooner.

[Anime Kitten]

Chao Fan Music is my new favorite Super ending theme.

[ABED]

I did not realize that Vegeta was established to be a idiot? Sure he came across as cocky at times earlier in the series but this is also the same guy who basically played his cards nearly perfectly in the Namek arc. The only time he really let anybody transform as far as i remember was Freeza but that is only because he was going to do it anyway so why waste anymore time. The situation with Cell is quite the opposite maybe i could of bought it if Trunks, Kuririn or 18 herself did not have countless chances to Prevent Cell from reaching his ultimate form. It really did not seem like Cell had much of anything other than pure luck and he was lucky mostly because for some reason the main characters in this arc more so than in any other arc of Dragon ball make incredibly dumb decisions. Really has Vegeta done a single useful thing in the entire arc other than kill cyborg 19!?

He wasn't an idiot, he was just reckless and it's perfectly in character. The Freeza situation you bring up is a difference without a distinction. He egged Freeza on because he is arrogant. The difference in the situations is that on Namek, he knew he wasn't remotely the strongest so he had to be stealthy and sneaky. Against Cell, Vegeta was in charge, but when things got boring, he allowed Cell to transform. What you don't seem to understand is that the characters are acting in character. They aren't acting dumb or out of character purely to facilitate the story. Vegeta and Goku would and have let people go in order to get a better fight. Cell wasn't lucky, he was smart. He took advantage of situations and knew what buttons to push in Vegeta in order to achieve his goal. If you are going to dismiss the established characterizations for Goku and Vegeta, then yes, Cell just looks lucky.

[Nightmare Wheel]

I've got one I know is unpopular. Ted Cole was a terrible Yamcha. He strikes me as someone who was always trying way too hard. In Dragon Ball he was doing this raspy, whispery voice that sounded far too villanous and in Z he sounded like a drunken meathead failing to sound tough. Chris Sabat and Victor Atelevich, even at their worst, still sounded more natural.

[8000 Saiyan]

I prefer Cathy Weseluck to Laura Bailey as Kid Trunks in Z.

[Gaffer Tape]

I suppose there are other reasons. Another is them using honorifics for Frieza. He's a genocidal asshole, why would you refer to him with -sama?

He's their ruler?

Why do Krillin and Gohan do it, though? Or Dende?

They don't, though. Ever. I literally cannot think of a single time those characters give Freeza an honorific. Do you have an example?

[Sailor Haumea]

He's their ruler?

Why do Krillin and Gohan do it, though? Or Dende?

They don't, though. Ever. I literally cannot think of a single time those characters give Freeza an honorific. Do you have an example?

I think in Kai when they were about to summon Porunga, or when Vegeta was confronting Dende.

[Cipher]

Chao Fan Music is my new favorite Super ending theme.

I think I actually agree with this.

I believe this episode, which I watched via Crunchyroll, was the first time I've seen it with subtitles (had just been doing the last several episodes raw with Herms' summary to fill in gaps). I didn't realize how Chinese-themed the song is, which is pretty fitting for Dragon Ball.

[Bansho64]

I think in Kai when they were about to summon Porunga, or when Vegeta was confronting Dende.

And this one possible instance contributed to you disliking the original version as a whole?

[Sailor Haumea]

I think in Kai when they were about to summon Porunga, or when Vegeta was confronting Dende.

And this one possible instance contributed to you disliking the original version as a whole? That is, if it even occurred at all. I actually can't an instance of them saying it now that Gaffer Tape pointed it out.

It's more Nozawa than anything else.

[Lord Beerus]

Zamasu is the best villain the Dragon Ball franchise has ever produced.

[Doctor.]

Zamasu is the best villain the Dragon Ball franchise has ever produced.

I don't think this is very unpopular at this point.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Zamasu is the best villain the Dragon Ball franchise has ever produced.

I agree, I also think before long this will be quite a popular opinion.